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UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2

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The Political Parties (in order of seats held):


Conservative Party (317 of 650 seats – 42.3% of Voter Share) Leader: Theresa May (Prime Minister)



Labour Party (262 of 650 seats – 40.0% of Voter Share) Leader: Jeremy Corbyn



Scottish National Party (SNP) (35 of 650 seats – 3.0% of Voter Share) Leader: Nicola Sturgeon



Liberal Democrats (12 of 650 seats – 7.4% of Voter Share) Leader: Vince Cable



Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) (10 of 650 seats – 0.9% of Voter Share) Leader: Arlene Foster



Sinn Féin (7 of 650 seats – 0.7% of Voter Share) Leader: Michelle O'Neill



Plaid Cymru (4 of 650 seats – 0.5% of Voter Share) Leader: Leanne Wood



Green Party of England and Wales (1 of 650 seats – 1.6% of Voter Share) Co-Leaders: Caroline Lucas & Jonathan Bartley



UK Independence Party (UKIP) (0 of 650 seats – 1.8% of Voter Share) Leader: Henry Bolton




Social Democratic & Labour Party (SDLP) (0 of 650 seats – 0.3% of Voter Share) Leader: Colum Eastwood



Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) (0 of 650 seats – 0.3% of Voter Share) Leader: Robin Swann





Welcome to story time.

Once upon a time there was a somewhat convenient marriage between two men called David and Nick. Democracy had thrown these two gentlemen together to lead the people at the turn of the decade. It was an arrangement that saw Nick's people see a strong influence of power for the first time in ages, and David's people ensure they were not in opposition after thirteen years of Red Rule. It wasn't a perfect arrangement, but by gosh darn, it sure meant that people actually had to talk to each other to get things done. While the happy couple had smiles on their faces while going for romantic walks in the gardens of Downing Street, all wasn't perfect. There were a number of people that followed Dave that were not so happy with the arrangement. Both those who worked with him, and those who wanted to vote for him.

When the marriage reached it's end, David made a promise to those he wanted to appease. He would allow the people a chance to cut off the bonds between the Unicorn Islands and the Mainland. "Freedom!" they cried. "We see Control! We want it". David won a surprise amount of support (a majority, it could be said) and decided to hold the aforementioned ballot. People decided to cut the bonds of brotherhood by a very narrow margin. Now ol' Dave was secretly a bit of a Main-lander. He wanted to remain connected via the glorious bifrost. He couldn't contend with the fact that he had led the people to this decision, and decided to fall on his sword. During this time, the former Red Rulers had seen quite a change. Behold, the Mythical Grandpa had arrived, swooping in on a cloud of youthful popularity to take control of the Party of Workers, much to the chagrin of those closest representatives. An internal war started, and Mythical Grandpa started seeing his popularity wane in the eyes of those he so dearly wanted to represent.

However, the stormy clouds worsened. And out of the ashes of 'Dave's sacrifice came the appearance of his successor, Sith Lord Theresa May. She had risen from David's side, and had seen the temptation of power in front of her. Unable to resist, she moved - seeing all potential rivals bow down before her. Force choking her emancipated would-be rivals, she grabbed power much to the delight of those "followers" of David who had wanted the shattering of the rainbow road. The Blue Empire supporters took delight in the rising. Those who had followed this collective in the past, who had been tempted to support the Purple Wolfpack, an anti Mainland cult, had come home. "We're leaving" she said. "WILL OF THE PEOPLE, LULZ". The Sith were a nasty bunch. They were not afraid of killing kids with electric swords, so they had no hesitation to see the division in the Party of Workers landscape and decided to try and cut the head off their biggest opponents. "We shall hold an election. Now. I want you to follow me to the gates of Freedom. Lets shatter the bifrost together, as one!". Her followers roared with approval, and and a date for choice was set.

Sith Lord May had many powers. However her public standing and that of the Mythical Grandpa leading up the date of choice, could contrast no more. Her powers started waning. She had become weary of the sunlight, not being seen in public and not in front of the various methods of transmitting pictures into the homes of those who be asked to make that all important decision. She started shrivelling up. However, Mythical Grandpa gained strength. Hulking up with energy not seen. A quiet speech turned into loudness. A shout turned into a roar, and suddenly the Mythical Grandpa was suddenly 200 feet tall in the eyes of the public. People started watching and listening to the message. Crowds gathered and fed the old man energy. His rise was impressive, and the fall of Lord May just as much.

One the day of choice, the Blue Empire's clutch on power slipped. The Party of Workers gained support. The result was an imbalance, a state of flux seen seven years before. Another agreement was to be made. However, the storm clouds gathered once again. It wouldn't be another arrangement of communication and common ground shown by the marriage of David and Nick. Oh no, a new player was about to make her entrance. Tempted by a billion pots of gold handed by a desperate Sith Lord, the new partner, R-Lean, made her appearance and gladly propped up the stumbling Blue Empire. "A Strong and Stable Government" Theresa promised. No, everyone could see.... She had unleashed an evil Coalition of Chaos.

So what will happen next? Will we see a ying-yang of evil witch mayhem? What will Mythical Grandpa do next? Will David continue to rear livestock in his retirement? Will things look pretty good?

Who knows! Lets talk.
 

Huw_Dawson

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LIB DEMZ WOZ ERE

OK, now that that's outta the way: gonna stretch my feet out here by the fire. Ah, lovely.

Hopefully we'll have the old lot showing up here over the next few days? We have much to discuss.
 

Cor

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Soooo ixnay on coalescing into the brexit thread?

that vince cable comic is gold, btw.
 

Mindwipe

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I'm belatedly reading All Out War. Obviously it's dated since the shitshow, but it's a really interesting book on how it all happened, and how totally deluded some of the people running the asylum now are.
 

phisheep

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Thanks CeeCee(ess). For the uninitiated, if there are any, I should point out that on a Tory scale I am rather more Ken Clarke than I am Norman Tebbit.
 

PJV3

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I await the next election and the chance to nationalise everything, it should be worth fuck all by then.

God bless Theresa May.
 

GrizzleBoy

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*Takes in the smell of fresh burning embers of somewhat comfortable life as we know it while David Davis is told for the 38736382834th time that the UK can't so trade deals with individual member states*

We're back baby!
 

Pandy

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Howdy doody, all.

Looking forward to more excitingly misinformed posts about Scottish politics, and hopefully one or two more chances to post my Maybot - Stable as Fuck gif before it stops being somewhat relevant.
 

PJV3

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It's interesting how the Corbyn-bashing backfired. Labour voters put off by Corbyn saw him get legitimised by their common enemy bashing him so much.
I think it's more that the Tories revealed themselves as bullshit artists, I don't think a sensible Tory like Sarah Wollaston would have had the same problem.

I don't think they can come back from this now(barring Corbyn doing something mental people don't like) brexit is going to hurt some people even if it isn't a complete disaster, and it's another 5 years of power and trying for a proper 3rd term.

That doesn't mean I think he can win a clear majority, time just doesn't favour the Tories as it stands.
 

Mr. Sam

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It's interesting how the Corbyn-bashing backfired. Labour voters put off by Corbyn saw him get legitimised by their common enemy bashing him so much.
I think he benefited from the same paradox Trump did: it's impossible to be a laughable, incompetent joke and an incredibly dangerous monster at the same time. I mean, as we're seeing in the States, it actually is possible, but it's hard to sell that message.
 

Norfolk Enchants

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plus Corbyn got away with rolling back on the student loan promise, after the election.... he wont at the next election
 

Tygre

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Corbyn basically got the Miliband treatment turned up to 11 in the press, which ended up giving him the Miliband backlash effect turned up to 11 too. And now he's Prime Minister.

"Every action..." and all that.
plus Corbyn got away with rolling back on the student loan promise, after the election.... he wont at the next election
What "Promise" would that be?
 

PJV3

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I think he benefited from the same paradox Trump did: it's impossible to be a laughable, incompetent joke and an incredibly dangerous monster at the same time. I mean, as we're seeing in the States, it actually is possible, but it's hard to sell that message.
The republicans seem to like that he's a monster and an idiot, going bankrupt multiple times makes him a great businessman somehow, I don't think Corbyn has that kind of personality, he makes jam and shares his butties with people on the train.
 

GrizzleBoy

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I think it's more that the Tories revealed themselves as bullshit artists, I don't think a sensible Tory like Sarah Wollaston would have had the same problem
Not to mention the fact that someone in the Tory party actually thought it was a good idea to try to make a Theresa May (who probably thinks eating more than one jaffa cake at a time is an exciting and daring act), into some kind of superstar personality.

Oh, and the part where their manifesto actually dared to go after old people.

Edit: the ability to highlight a section of a person's post in a theead and reply to only that text is nothing short of black magic sorcery.
 

Norfolk Enchants

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Corbyn basically got the Miliband treatment turned up to 11 in the press, which ended up giving him the Miliband backlash effect turned up to 11 too. And now he's Prime Minister.

"Every action..." and all that.

What "Promise" would that be?
this one

Jeremy Corbyn has insisted he did not promise to write off all student debt while appealing to young voters during the general election.

During the campaign, the Labour leader said he would "deal with" the issue of graduates burdened with debt since tuition fees rose to £9,000.

He told the BBC he had never promised to abolish all debt as Labour "were unaware of the size of it at the time".


I do not believe for a second he only found out how big the debt was 'after' the election, how awfully convenient
 
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Huw_Dawson

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The Tory election campaign was so incompetent as to be laughable and they still got an insanely high amount of the vote. Brexit is just that polarising.

BTW Clegg is 100% not going to be standing in the potential Hallam by-election - there are currently five candidates for the PPC spot and he's not one of them. Although it's a little upsetting to folks who'd like the guy to go on an anime redemption arc such as the world has never seen, it's probably easier to win back Hallam with someone that Labour can't link to tuition fee rises.
 

Tygre

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this one

Jeremy Corbyn has insisted he did not promise to write off all student debt while appealing to young voters during the general election.

During the campaign, the Labour leader said he would "deal with" the issue of graduates burdened with debt since tuition fees rose to £9,000.

He told the BBC he had never promised to abolish all debt as Labour "were unaware of the size of it at the time".​

I do not believe for a second he only found out how big the debt was 'after' the election, how awfully convenient
Ah, the "Promise" he didn't make.

Because he very much didn't promise to write off all student debt. Here's the full quote:

There is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.

“I don’t have the simple answer for it at this stage – I don’t think anybody would expect me to, because this election was called unexpectedly; we had two weeks to prepare all of this. But I’m very well aware of that problem.

“And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”
 

Huw_Dawson

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"I will deal with it" is not a smart thing to say for the reason highlighted above - it's too easy to interpret in one way or another.

However from that line he would deal with the 'excessive burden' of those who are currently getting 9k fees - so I'd say he was almost certainly hinting at a desire to do some sort of write-off or another lowering of repayment rates (which suits the middle class students earning a decent pay packet, but does nothing for those not earning that much).

I mean I'd argue paying £67 a month back when earning £30,000 is not excessive but who am I to judge.
 

GrizzleBoy

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Ah, the "Promise" he didn't make.

Because he very much didn't promise to write off all student debt. Here's the full quote:
Can't believe Corbyn being hammered about this non existent promise is still going on.

Especially when it seems like one of the go-to criticisms for why people shouldn't trust him.

With all the talk of it, the fact should be out by now.

Anyway, back to trying to find a mew flat in London that doesn't cost half a million.
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