UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2

Rassilon

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UK politics thread vs Brexit thread: The final battle(?)

They have seven brains, and they couldn't think of a better name than 'The Independent Party'?

Come on, highly drunk folk come up with better names at pub quizzes on a daily basis.
 

Flammable D

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Chris Leslie, MP for Nottingham East, is speaking now. He says it has not been an easy decision and that they have all been MPs for very many years. The Labour party they joined, campaigned for and believed in has been hijacked by the “machine politics of the hard left”, he says.
He says it would be irresponsible to allow Jeremy Corbyn to be prime minister, which is something other Labour MPs will say privately. He accuses the leadership of having a “narrow and outdated ideology”. “To them the world divides between oppressor and oppressed, class enemies, when in truth the modern world is more complicated than this.”


Stanning for class systems to own the lefts, LMAO

 

Flammable D

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Holy shit this is incredible haha

Now Angela Smith, MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge, says she is from a Labour-supporting, working-class family who were ambitious for her. “Most people are like my family. They do not want to be patronised by leftwing intellectuals who think that being poor and working-class is a state of grace.” She says her decision to resign her membership has been very painful.
 
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Whether they are right or wrong I don't see how this does anything but harm labour.
It does short term for sure, long term as well if they're successful and more people jump ship. Perhaps it's true Labour can align themselves better without these voices who were never really going to get on board, but losing 7 MPs is damaging no matter how your slicing it.

But it's gonna be a while before we see where this goes, and what concrete policies they're going to try and build around.
 

Rhowm

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I wonder if this will lead to more intra-party dialogue to stem other potential defectors or if it will simply be a "Crush the saboteurs" strategy.
 

Beefy

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Least Shuker the homophobe aint with Labour anymore I guess.


Wonder who else will join them?
 
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UK politics thread vs Brexit thread: The final battle(?)

They have seven brains, and they couldn't think of a better name than 'The Independent Party'?

Come on, highly drunk folk come up with better names at pub quizzes on a daily basis.
It was that or the "We hate Corbyn" party, which even they thought was a bit on the nose.
 
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7 independent MPs already polling higher after a few hours than both the lib dems and UKIP.

lol
 

Theonik

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7 independent MPs already polling higher after a few hours than both the lib dems and UKIP.

lol
fwiw a hypothetical party isn't the same as the one that now exists. The realty is everyone thinks they are moderate or reasonable in some way but once you put these ideas on paper you find everyone has a different idea of what being moderate means.
 

PJV3

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Just siphoning off libdem support plus a little bit of labours is a disaster, if it doesn't improve quickly then it's dead.
 
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The independent group needs to 1) form an actual political entity, 2) form policy that identifies to potential defector MPs and voters alike - ie actually come out utterly anti-brexit and 3) needs to have proper financial backing and an actual framework of a legitimate organisation for them to grow into something more serious than a few disgruntled members of parliament.
 

Dougald

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I buy that 'tired' excuse about as much as PewDiePie's 'heated gaming moment'. It implies that you only avoid saying racist shit usually because it would make you look bad
 

PJV3

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May could call an election with Labour slowly killing itself and probably still not manage a majority, it's kinda funny how fucked everyone is.
 

Flammable D

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Nice of the centrist brain party to set out their Austerity was good actually stall early just so we know


EDIT: oh, and the sexual abusers welcome stall! But oh, best female MP ratio in history, yessss queen

 

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Hannah Jane Parkinson. The return of King Rat Derek Hatton marks a new low for Labour.
Guardian.
In a single day, the Labour party has lost Luciana Berger and “gained” Derek Hatton. As swaps go, this isn’t dissimilar to giving someone an orgasm and them giving you gonorrhoea
But Hatton’s response was to set an illegal budget – expenditure exceeding income – and to gamble that the government would make up the £30m overspend. Other councils also affected by central government grant cuts managed to set legal budgets.

The debt Hatton plunged Liverpool into was finally cleared 15 years later, in 2001. The interest rate paid over this time amounted to 57%. The Militant loans? They came from Swiss, Japanese and French banks. But Hatton’s nadir came when he hired taxis to deliver redundancy notices to the council’s 31,000 staff, on the basis that the council couldn’t afford to pay them, as a “tactic” to extend negotiations of the Whitehall stalemate.

Away from finances, Hatton appointed an unknown Londoner, Sam Bond, to the Liverpool Race Relations Liaison Committee over objections from the Black Caucus, at a time when racial tensions were especially high. Bond did not support affirmative action policies, and similarly, Militant did nothing for LGBT groups, given its opposition to policies that focused on particular oppressed groups. The neutral office of lord mayor, meanwhile, was abolished, to strengthen Militant’s power.
Opposite my former school, there used to be Harthill Gardens, known as the “Kew Gardens of the north”. When the gardeners were called out on strike, they rebelled, fearing the impact on the flora. In an act of political revenge, and a mark of his character, Hatton sacked the gardeners and bulldozed the gardens. A famous banner held aloft in protests against the council at the time read: “Hitler only destroyed half of our city. Hatton tried for the lot.”
You're doing amazing, Labour.
 
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PJV3

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Good. Lol.
No idea why he was allowed back in. Tom Watson on LBC said he would be bringing up Hatton’s acceptance into the Labour Party to someone.
It's for the best, I thought he might have changed when he left politics but it looks like he's still a magnet for trouble, I doubt it's just that tweet though, the Brexit connection seems dodgy as fuck as well.