UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2

Mavis

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Peston is having a normal one.





Has he ever met a member of the working class? Does he think they're all members of the EDL? I literally don't know a single person who likes Trump and that includes my very right wing working class uncle who is all about the Brexit Party and no deal.
To (mis)quote Stewart Lee, he's a complete fucking idiot, he hasn't done the most basic research.
 

PJV3

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To (mis)quote Stewart Lee, he's a complete fucking idiot, he hasn't done the most basic research.
As someone living in London I can see where this idea we are all champagne swilling socialists working in the City comes from. There's a hell of a lot of working class labour voters down here, it isn't people who live in London who fucked over northern towns.
 

Maledict

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He’s making the same basic mistake pundits in america make when talking about trumps ‘working class’ base. He misses off one very important qualifier.

It’s a white working class base. Working class minorities votes to remain.

Pundits hate talking about that because it opens up the questions of race and xenophobia and intolerance, and then that leads you to wondering whether a third of the population are just racist which of COURSE is nonsense and untrue.

(Spoiler - it’s not, they are).
 

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He’s making the same basic mistake pundits in america make when talking about trumps ‘working class’ base. He misses off one very important qualifier.

It’s a white working class base. Working class minorities votes to remain.

Pundits hate talking about that because it opens up the questions of race and xenophobia and intolerance, and then that leads you to wondering whether a third of the population are just racist which of COURSE is nonsense and untrue.

(Spoiler - it’s not, they are).
It also makes the mistake that the white working class in the UK support Trump in the same numbers they voted leave. They don’t.
You can’t just take this notion of who a Trump supporter is and transplant it here. It’s just stupid.
 

Protome

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He’s making the same basic mistake pundits in america make when talking about trumps ‘working class’ base. He misses off one very important qualifier.

It’s a white working class base. Working class minorities votes to remain.

Pundits hate talking about that because it opens up the questions of race and xenophobia and intolerance, and then that leads you to wondering whether a third of the population are just racist which of COURSE is nonsense and untrue.

(Spoiler - it’s not, they are).
Working class white people largely voted to remain also. The brexit divide largely splits by Age not by Class.

So while you are largely right about Trump’s base it still can’t be transplanted onto the Brexit situation here.
 

Tygre

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Even if there was some massive support for Trump amongst the UK white working class (which there isn't), that's not a good reason to abandon your principles.

Fuck Trump and fuck anyone who supports him.
 

Moosichu

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Even if there was some massive support for Trump amongst the UK white working class (which there isn't), that's not a good reason to abandon your principles.

Fuck Trump and fuck anyone who supports him.
No, we must analyse the optics of actions, because god forbid we analyse the actions themselves.
 

PJV3

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I tried the Buckingham Palace VR experience and I actually felt claustrophobic from all the golden tat everywhere, get some IKEA furniture and sort it out.

If you want to hide May stick her in the kitchen with a microwave meal.
 

Crispy75

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Chuka won by a huge majority in 2017 with Lib Dems in third, so I don’t know if him running as the LD candidate would pull enough Labour voters over to them to win.
He's my MP and everyone I know round here voted for him through gritted teeth.
A concrete block with a red rosette can get elected in Streatham.
 

Iggy

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I'm still wondering why the LD would accept them. Once you've let those self-serving clowns in, it's obvious they'll immediately start to scheme to reach positions of power and take control of the party without contributing anything.
 

Tygre

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Remember six months ago when Centrist Dads everywhere were crying out for a party exactly like the CUKs (according to the Westminster commentariat and some creative push-polling).

Happier times.

I'm still wondering why the LD would accept them. Once you've let those self-serving clowns in, it's obvious they'll immediately start to scheme to reach positions of power and take control of the party without contributing anything.
The LIb Dems have 11 MPs.

An extra 6 MPs would be almost impossible to turn down for any party, but especially for such a small one.
 

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It seems crazy that an MP could defect to another party without it automatically triggering a by-election.
 

Dougald

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Change UK have truly been the unifying political force a lot of people have been crying out for since Brexit

Unfortunately for them, we're all unified in thinking they're shit.
 

Iggy

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An extra 6 MPs would be almost impossible to turn down for any party, but especially for such a small one.
That's if they can hold on to their seats while having changed parties twice between the elections. I strongly doubt any of them will still be an MP after the next GE, and the LD would do well to try to put someone of their own in these constituencies. Past performance is not an indication of future success, especially for those.
 

Tygre

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That's if they can hold on to their seats while having changed parties twice between the elections. I strongly doubt any of them will still be an MP after the next GE, and the LD would do well to try to put someone of their own in these constituencies. Past performance is not an indication of future success, especially for those.
The next GE is 0-3 years away.

6 MPs for 0-3 years is a lot of potential power to turn down on a set of principles the Lib Dems aren't exactly known for.
 

Tygre

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We're literally a party built out of a split and a merger, it's more LD to bring people in than turn them away! :)
Exactly!

Sorry, my sentence was inelegant and the sentiment mangled. I wasn't trying to say the Lib Dems have no principles, but rather that their principles were not opposed to (and in fact are largely in favour of and built around) incorporating the malcontents and careerists from other parties.
 

Garfield

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May be it’s me, but Corbyn appearing at the rally after being denied a visit with Trump stinks of sour grapes
 

Juicy Bob

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One the one hand, I've always said I respect politicians who want to live true to their beliefs and will leave their party if they don't believe it truly reflects what they want to stand for.

On the other hand, people on the bus are looking at me funny due to how hard I'm laughing.
 

jelly

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I don't like Trump either but just seems all round a load of shit, great you took a stand but if you turned up for China and Saudi Arabia, what does that say?
 

jelly

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Where are moving to then, Lib Dems or eventually crawling back to Labour and Conservatives when new leaders take over. Seems pretty obvious.
 

PJV3

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May be it’s me, but Corbyn appearing at the rally after being denied a visit with Trump stinks of sour grapes
Didn't he announce it before he asked for a meeting, he hasn't beaten around the Bush since Trump became President but has always said he would discuss the issues.

It's a weird one because I don't believe anyone thought the meeting could last more than a couple of seconds given what Corbyn believes and the way trump reacted to Democrats a few weeks ago.