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UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2
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This is insane. I'd say we need an election but we'd just end up with a hung parliament and Faraud blagging his way into a seat for the first time.
I'm fucking done.
I'm fucking done.
It's good we have to finally put up or shut up, our hand is no different than it was, we are on borrowed time with a weak government.
It is different there was no way May would have considered a no deal and wasn't even talked about according to reports. Now they know we are prepared to walk. Watch the Eu change it's stance now and quick
Liz Truss in as International Trade Minister. Looks like the Americans won't be getting a deal on dairy products
You're right.
BoJo will be such a disaster that Jeremy can get on with turning the UK into a socialist utopia much sooner than if May had clung on until 2022.
Every cloud and all that.
It's a complete shit show but there is one silver lining. Chris Grayling is finally gone from Transport.
I think it's quite refreshing to have a brexiter just lay their cards on the table instead of pretending to care about austerity etc that we normally have to wade through. i don't agree but at least you can see what kind of country and economy they want to achieve.
My school colleagues will love that....
His background in fireplaces and pottery will really come in use.
It amazes me that there are still people as deluded as you are. The UK has no leverage over the EU, never had. And the EU will not give up its non-negotiable principles. It said so from the very beginning and this is also exactly were we are right now.
UK's new Trump and his inept cabinet of horrors is not going to change that.
Are you content with the fact the cabinet is largely comprised of genuine morons? Like, actual, genuine morons. Who have lost jobs for corruption and deceit? Who have time and again expresses nothing but emotive horseshit in lieu of considered statements?
Just now much are you willing to sacrifice to this fucking Moloch?
So our strategy is to throw up all over ourselves and rely on the EU to clean us up?
Why should the EU care? We are the ones covered in vomit.
If the UK wants to shoot itself then the EU will most certainly change their stance to the following:
The thing is we have been here before with the no deal talk, it didn't seem to achieve much and eventually we caved, there isn't time for that again, nothing has changed in the commons and nobody trusts Boris. and if he does get something meaningful then i give it 6 months before the Italian government starts acting up, there's no incentive to move more, our "leverage" is going to make the EU unworkable.
This would only be accurate if we had literally any leverage in negotiations, but we don't. "We will walk away without a deal" isn't a threat when you're the one who a deal is most beneficial for.
And caving gives the wrong signal and will create even bigger problems, it's the opposite of leverage to my eyes, but we will find out soon either way.
How was corbyn getting destroyed?!
Corbyn came out with a bunch of questions, all valid, and Boris responded by waffling on with a load of bollocks and only answered one about the NHS.
I'm sorry if you can't see it. Even the political commentators are saying it. Corbyn has had it so easy with May now you have a pm going for the jugular
Labour's Hilary Benn says Leo Varadkar, the Irish PM, said yesterday trying to negotiate a new deal by October was "not in the real world". What will Johnson do if MPs vote against no-deal?
Johnson says Benn's question is redolent of the defeatism he deplores. Why does not Benn think the EU might think again? All parties know what will happen if they do not honour the referendum result.
jesus.
Is Leo Varadkar from an alternative unreal world or something.
Johnson says Benn's question is redolent of the defeatism he deplores. Why does not Benn think the EU might think again? All parties know what will happen if they do not honour the referendum result.
jesus.
Is Leo Varadkar from an alternative unreal world or something.
You gotta read the last few of Tickling's posts to get it. He's full blown far right, BoJo can do no wrong.
You mean this same commentators who would give may credit for essentially saying nothing when pressed for answers?
Every. Fucking. Time
I can understand it from the arse licking tory supporters but even people who supposedly hate the tories come out with this bullshit.
Just people blinded by their hatred for corbyn.
Ahh, thanks for the warning.
My god if you think I'm hard right you I would love to think of you actually meant someone far right.
My bad, you are just really supportive of a far right government and far right ideals like no deal Brexit. But definitely aren't far right.
Far right government Jesus wept. Supporting brexit doesn't make you far right. Did you know unions supported brexit. Does that make them far right? I bet you if you take brexit out of the equation we would agree with a lot things things.
Yes, it's a far right government. There's not really a debate to be had there?
I never said supporting Brexit made your far right? Are you just going to keep intentionally misrepresenting my posts or what?
Supporting brexit doesn't make you have far right ideals but the implications you where implying where there. Everyone has there own reasons for brexit either remainer is Brexiteer. For me I know the Eu does some good stuff however for me the negative things outweighed the good.
With things about how far right and left It comes from a matter of perspective. you may think that's far right I wouldn't say it's not near far right but it's harder right than before. If you sit further left every step to the right looks a lot further than it is and vice versa.
Politics isn't black or white there are lots of greys in it. Just labelling someone who may be leaning different from you like far right or communist etc is just not helpful.
Like I said before there is more we have in common than we don't.
With Bojo it just makes total sense that a brexiteer is in charge now. We voted for brexit so we should of had someone who voted for it in charge.
Ok. I'll bite.
would you be willing to share some of the good stuff and the negative things that outweigh them in respect to the EU? Genuinely curious.
I like some aspects of working together as a bigger community. I like some of the policies and procedures which have been implemented. However I feel they a totally undemocratic as we have seen recently and throughout the years. I'm not a fan of total open borders we have. In the perfect world i have to problem with them but we don't live in the perfect world.
Tbh i was not a big massive brexiteer however the past 3 years has increased my believe in brexit.
Again, I never said that. If you read instead of ranting you'd see that.
If you really believe the myths you keep peddling about the EU, this isn't true.
"We" did not vote for Brexit and "We" did not even vote for the fucking Tories so you can fuck right off with that bullshit.
No unity will ever come from Brexit, Brexiteers have split this country for generations and with any luck the union as well so we can be rid of you chucklefucks for good.
You justify your beliefs to yourself however you want. When people start dying because of No Deal brexit and BoJo selling off the NHS that blood is on your hands.
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So what exactly do you think is undemocratic about the EU? And what changes would you like to see made to change that perception?
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