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UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2
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Boris getting a bollocking? Or is this related to:
Hmmm. Would kind of make sense to start the chaos on a friday so they have a couple days to draw battle lines.
YG always has them well ahead, I can't see it being the reason to call one.
Hey, I just like drama, don't take me with any kind of viable speculation!
This is true. But what else would May be briefing the party on? Big change in brexit strategy? Cabinet intrigue She's giving a date to step down, even?
Tbf don't even know how legit that tweet is.
Nah, it's the night before the withdrawal bill goes through the Commons. She'll be attempting to get everyone on side for those crucial votes.
Does anyone on the remain side believe the government has a viable negotiating position?
We ceased having a negotiating position when we triggered article 50 and said we were leaving everything. They knew full well there's no way that could happen in 24 months.
If we'd spent a few years setting up the infrastructure and then triggered article 50, we might have looked a bit more serious. Or if we'd not triggered it at all and (as suggested by David Allen Green) instead entered into several treaties to gradually pick apart the membership over a few years. Then we might have looked like we knew what we were doing.
Triggering art. 50 just before a series of continental elections, calling our own election, wasting six months of negotiating time in the process? That's how they know we're full of shit.
If we'd spent a few years setting up the infrastructure and then triggered article 50, we might have looked a bit more serious. Or if we'd not triggered it at all and (as suggested by David Allen Green) instead entered into several treaties to gradually pick apart the membership over a few years. Then we might have looked like we knew what we were doing.
Triggering art. 50 just before a series of continental elections, calling our own election, wasting six months of negotiating time in the process? That's how they know we're full of shit.
By the way, which way do you prefer your rat, cooked sunny side up?
They were voted for by their people, and so on. None of the people "in control" are unelected as you claimed. And the UK has got its way almost 9 out of 10 times there was a vote.
Which parts of our country specifically did you think we had ceded control over?
That doesn't exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth#Straight_bananas
Like with most countries and most foodstuffs, they are categorised according to quality because people genuinely won't buy aberrantly-shaped fruit & veg and it sits on the shelf. Something anyone can confirm by visiting a supermarket late in the day.
You do not appear to have any reasons or evidence to support your position.
75% of people think Brexit is going badly. Lead Brexiteers are saying Brexit is going badly. This is because it is going badly by every single metric, and their entire position is based on lies.
Nigel Farage said a 52:48 referendum result should be relitigated, and David Davis says "a democracy that can not change its mind is no democracy".
Perhaps you should come back when you learn to engage in a proper debate?
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There was a vote, remain lost. It's not very complicated. This is how democracy works.
Simple.
I'm quite eager to get on with it and fuck ourselves over for generations to come, all for the will of the gammons.
This is the dumbest argument. I didn't vote for anyone in Theresa Mays constituency either, and likely neither did you.
Makes me uncomfortable when Brexit voters get banned, happened on Neo Gaf as well, does no one any favours...
If the man voted Brexit because he wanted Bendy Bannannas that is his choice, banning him just makes this echo chamber 2.0
If the man voted Brexit because he wanted Bendy Bannannas that is his choice, banning him just makes this echo chamber 2.0
He admitted somewhere else he was deliberately trying to bait people with a position he doesn't even believe.
You didn't really look at those posts and think he was arguing in good faith, did you?
I'm pretty sure brexiters get banned for arguing in bad faith and/or eventually exposing their bigotry.
Tories in being bellends shocker. Not getting a lot of play in the papers:
"The Scottish government, SNP and Scottish Labour MPs are furious after yesterday's EU withdrawal bill debate saw the time allocated to discuss devolution squeezed to 15 minutes so that only David Lidington, the Cabinet Office minister, was able to speak with a handful of brief interventions from Scottish MPs.
The Scottish government's Brexit minister, Michael Russell, said that Holyrood was being"treated with contempt" by Westminster, and suggested that the Scottish government might pull out of further negotiations. He warned:"We can't carry on with devolution as it is now".
SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford called for the UK government's Scottish secretary David Mundell to resign on the BBC's Good Morning Scotland programme this morning.
Mundell dismissed the calls, saying later on the same programme that it was "most unfortunate" more time could not be found but arguing that the issues had been fully debated already.
Blackford was also enraged that, when he asked the speaker what options were available given the lack of time to debate, a Tory MP shouted "suicide!" "
https://gu.com/p/8nyc6/sbl
"The Scottish government, SNP and Scottish Labour MPs are furious after yesterday's EU withdrawal bill debate saw the time allocated to discuss devolution squeezed to 15 minutes so that only David Lidington, the Cabinet Office minister, was able to speak with a handful of brief interventions from Scottish MPs.
The Scottish government's Brexit minister, Michael Russell, said that Holyrood was being"treated with contempt" by Westminster, and suggested that the Scottish government might pull out of further negotiations. He warned:"We can't carry on with devolution as it is now".
SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford called for the UK government's Scottish secretary David Mundell to resign on the BBC's Good Morning Scotland programme this morning.
Mundell dismissed the calls, saying later on the same programme that it was "most unfortunate" more time could not be found but arguing that the issues had been fully debated already.
Blackford was also enraged that, when he asked the speaker what options were available given the lack of time to debate, a Tory MP shouted "suicide!" "
https://gu.com/p/8nyc6/sbl
That suicide comment is horrible.
Wait, what are Scottish Labour furious about? Didn't they abstain?
Scottish Labour MSPs supported withholding consent, I imagine they were whipped to abstain
Fucking christ. There's no low that party won't gleefully stoop to.
The problem with Scotland MP's is no one needs to give a shit anymore, they don't have the balls to call another referendum as there is no clear path to victory, lose a second referendum and the SNP are done...
So they can now just be ignored and treated like an annoying fly
So they can now just be ignored and treated like an annoying fly
That would be a good way to increase support for a second referendum
Absolutely, but at the moment they are at the end of a very long list of things to worry about, as one commentator noted, this was all designed to get Westminister to talk abut the SNP, as they having largely been forgotten about
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