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UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2
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Nah, I don't like group punishments, I would stop the deselection stuff and investigate any abusive behaviour, chuck out anyone being a bigot and then let the local party decide if they want her or not.
I agree, the CLP should be temporarily suspended, while the investigation takes place. The guy who said disruptive zionist should be kicked straightaway to make an example of him.
I do think local parties have the right to deselect their MPs but they also shouldn't bring the Labour party into disripute and should consider the timing and the consequences. The guys who triggered the deselection are complete idiots because like it or not the optics look super bad.
Berger refused to say the country would be better off under a Labour (Corbyn) government and has made no effort to distance herself from this creation of a "middle ground" party.
She's a die in the wool Blairite who's never liked Corbyn.
I don't think it's a particularly bad thing for her local party to question if she should be their local representative.
However, the timing and the optics of it are all wrong and there's also the worry she's been questioned for the wrong reasons.
She's a die in the wool Blairite who's never liked Corbyn.
I don't think it's a particularly bad thing for her local party to question if she should be their local representative.
However, the timing and the optics of it are all wrong and there's also the worry she's been questioned for the wrong reasons.
It is strange to think that Rees Mogg isn't the oddest MP in the commons.
The fact Berger repeatedly went on TV and radio and doesn't deny she's going to jump ship at the first opportunity will now no doubt be lost because some shitheel racist just wanted to stir the pot and everyone was happy to fan the flames.
Another spectacular own goal which will do absolutely nothing for anyone.
edit: meanwhile you've got people like Christopher Chope above still making decisions
Another spectacular own goal which will do absolutely nothing for anyone.
edit: meanwhile you've got people like Christopher Chope above still making decisions
That's my main problem with Tom Watson suspending the party idea, she's clearly checked out of the party in her mind, she is just hanging around to use her status if the new party happens.
She's in the wrong city to pull that off.
Anyone who says they want to leave a political party should face deselection.
Owen Smith can get in the bin too.
I like the idea that the party leadership asking MPs not to break away and form a new is party is beyond the pale. After the SDP they now what will happen, they will fade into oblivion and only the Tories will benefit.
It looks like her CLP are doing the sensible thing and cancelling the vote for now after the zionist nonsense.
If she is going to leave in the future let her leave and the membership can select someone new and not look like they kicked out a Jewish lady out of the party. The optics look super bad.
Corbyn not backing a 2nd vote and this antisemetism crisis will lead the Labour party doing shit in a GE if it comes.
This whole thing with Luciana Berger is a total fucking mess coming at absolutely the wrong time, but it's been in the post for a while now.
Obviously there is a problem with antisemitism in her CLP. Whether it's just that one nutter and his wife or more is currently unknown, but it shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances. I don't think you'll ever be able to weed out those types with a 100% success rate, but when they show their ass there should be consequences.
But at the same time Berger has basically checked out, mentally at least, as a Labour MP - and is refusing to deny making moves to be part of a new centrist party which would take seats from Labour in the short term, and probably fracture the vote at the next GE. I don't think that can stand, considering her constituency has a child poverty rate of nearly 30% thanks to Tory austerity measures.
Suspending the whole Liverpool Wavertree CLP would be overkill, and I'm not sure why Watson is suggesting it outside of making a display of himself. It's the big, dramatic moves that get the most attention I guess.
Obviously there is a problem with antisemitism in her CLP. Whether it's just that one nutter and his wife or more is currently unknown, but it shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances. I don't think you'll ever be able to weed out those types with a 100% success rate, but when they show their ass there should be consequences.
But at the same time Berger has basically checked out, mentally at least, as a Labour MP - and is refusing to deny making moves to be part of a new centrist party which would take seats from Labour in the short term, and probably fracture the vote at the next GE. I don't think that can stand, considering her constituency has a child poverty rate of nearly 30% thanks to Tory austerity measures.
Suspending the whole Liverpool Wavertree CLP would be overkill, and I'm not sure why Watson is suggesting it outside of making a display of himself. It's the big, dramatic moves that get the most attention I guess.
(Daily Mail, I know)
https://www./news/article-6685423/H...life-drove-wife-away-affair-Diane-Abbott.html
Tom Bower spent 18 months on this
https://www./news/article-6685423/H...life-drove-wife-away-affair-Diane-Abbott.html
Tom Bower spent 18 months on this
As far as I know an AI didn't write this
"Countdown star Rachel Riley joins Labour rebels to plot a 'Blairite' party and calls for JK Rowling to be its leader was greeted with applause at secret meeting of supporters"
"Countdown star Rachel Riley joins Labour rebels to plot a 'Blairite' party and calls for JK Rowling to be its leader was greeted with applause at secret meeting of supporters"
Please bear with this if it's stupid or obvious.
Amorosa was on the radio this morning talking about the AMI/National Enquirer scandal. And she said something as an aside that hit me like a ton of bricks.
I've ignored National Enquirer as a big player in the 2016 election (outside of the Trump catch and kills we otherwise would have seen, which were probably more numerous than Stormy and Playboy) because it has a shitty reputation, only idiots buy it and print publishing is a total deadend street. But I was ignoring something I know better than most, having come from print publishing and understanding how newsstands work - and I should have been furious and taken it more seriously.
In the run up to the Election in 2016, National Enquirer ran 50 false but crazy alarming Hillary covers and cover stories. 50! FIFTY! More than any other single subject in decades, more frequently.
Now sure, low information voters buy it and sure they vote Trump because they think Hillary has cancer, or is a Chinese plant, or whatever it was last week. But they were pretty light on totally stupid shit like "HILLARY IS ALIEN WARLORD" and stuck to health, mental faculties and all these quite damning but small beef relative to their normal Batboy stuff. In hindsight the strategy is obvious, that's not what I realized though.
National Enquirer headlines about quasi-feasible Hillary negatives appeared fifty times on purpose at the best cover locations in America - newsstands of course, but really the end-caps of every single supermarket and grocer and Wal-Mart in America, exposing lots of smart liberals and conservatives to headlines they ignored for the most part, but also a fantastic number of low information non political moms and dads and families and grandmas and so on. Almost every day. Almost every single time they went to the grocery store. Standing, bored, waiting for their turn, glancing at Jennifer Anniston's lovelife - and Hillary's endless health and scandal scares.
I mention Jennifer Anniston because I have never read an issue of National Enquirer, but apparently I "know" she is "unlucky in love and alone"
In that sense it's an extension of a two plus decade long smear campaign against Hillary but the sheer density and literally in-your-face ubiuquity of that is really hard to accomplish anywhere else, and for a relatively bargain price. It's a paid advertisement to market Hillary's negatives, at a stupendous scale.
AMI and Kushner and Trump might be directly connected to the murder and dismemberment of a WaPo journalist - and are certainly directly connected to the theft from and blackmail of the world's richest man. And National Enquirer may actually have contributed much more materially to Trump's election - or rather, Hillary's loss to people who didn't know much about her, but knew in their lizard brain or thought they remembered for CERTAIN she was ill, and crazy, and crooked and so on.
It all adds up obviously, but I only ever thought about their editorial as one of a thousand cuts, but it might have been a gash.
Amorosa was on the radio this morning talking about the AMI/National Enquirer scandal. And she said something as an aside that hit me like a ton of bricks.
I've ignored National Enquirer as a big player in the 2016 election (outside of the Trump catch and kills we otherwise would have seen, which were probably more numerous than Stormy and Playboy) because it has a shitty reputation, only idiots buy it and print publishing is a total deadend street. But I was ignoring something I know better than most, having come from print publishing and understanding how newsstands work - and I should have been furious and taken it more seriously.
In the run up to the Election in 2016, National Enquirer ran 50 false but crazy alarming Hillary covers and cover stories. 50! FIFTY! More than any other single subject in decades, more frequently.
Now sure, low information voters buy it and sure they vote Trump because they think Hillary has cancer, or is a Chinese plant, or whatever it was last week. But they were pretty light on totally stupid shit like "HILLARY IS ALIEN WARLORD" and stuck to health, mental faculties and all these quite damning but small beef relative to their normal Batboy stuff. In hindsight the strategy is obvious, that's not what I realized though.
National Enquirer headlines about quasi-feasible Hillary negatives appeared fifty times on purpose at the best cover locations in America - newsstands of course, but really the end-caps of every single supermarket and grocer and Wal-Mart in America, exposing lots of smart liberals and conservatives to headlines they ignored for the most part, but also a fantastic number of low information non political moms and dads and families and grandmas and so on. Almost every day. Almost every single time they went to the grocery store. Standing, bored, waiting for their turn, glancing at Jennifer Anniston's lovelife - and Hillary's endless health and scandal scares.
I mention Jennifer Anniston because I have never read an issue of National Enquirer, but apparently I "know" she is "unlucky in love and alone"
In that sense it's an extension of a two plus decade long smear campaign against Hillary but the sheer density and literally in-your-face ubiuquity of that is really hard to accomplish anywhere else, and for a relatively bargain price. It's a paid advertisement to market Hillary's negatives, at a stupendous scale.
AMI and Kushner and Trump might be directly connected to the murder and dismemberment of a WaPo journalist - and are certainly directly connected to the theft from and blackmail of the world's richest man. And National Enquirer may actually have contributed much more materially to Trump's election - or rather, Hillary's loss to people who didn't know much about her, but knew in their lizard brain or thought they remembered for CERTAIN she was ill, and crazy, and crooked and so on.
It all adds up obviously, but I only ever thought about their editorial as one of a thousand cuts, but it might have been a gash.
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Wonder if they'll actually be a centrist party or just soft Tory.
If their main pull is being Pro-EU, then Corbyn would be stupid and a complete idiot to not back a 2nd referendum to pull wind away from the party as they get ready to announce themselves.
Hahaha. Oh god. I mean I fucking loathe Corbyn but this is hahaha so bad.
I'm almost cry laughing this.
Ha ha What. Rowling is not anywhere near ready for that, surely they could find someone more fitting lol
JK Rowling is trash. Still having a laugh at them all sat around deciding they should run the country though just because
Anyway, follow up to the Luciana Berger motions a few days ago.
Anyway, follow up to the Luciana Berger motions a few days ago.
Everyone involved needs to take a deep breath, it really shouldn't be this difficult.
Politics news we can all get on board with
Love Magic Magid taking down Tories, all while cheering on a German
Love Magic Magid taking down Tories, all while cheering on a German
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If they leave it basically guarantees a decade of solid conservative rule. Them fucking off might make the party purer but it also utterly screws any chance of winning. That's how our system works.
Well they should be smart enough to know that. Yet they keep threatening it. I don't care about making the party purer, but you can only put up with someone saying 'I'm leaving, honest!' before wanting them to just get it over with
There's also the question of how many of those MPs get re elected against a different Labour MP. Depends how safe their seats are I suppose.
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Not only that, but how much of a vote share per constituency the Labour and <new party> take off each other..
The Dead Centre Party
I wonder how many of those moderate Tories will join them...
lol it's none
I wonder how many of those moderate Tories will join them...
lol it's none
expect a by election and a bunch of thinkpieces about how it's a referendum on having a referendum
Well I guess that solves the issue of potentially being humiliated by losing to a Labour candidate in their former patch.
However it does feel like throwing the Vs to the constituents. "Sod your 30% child poverty rate, Liverpool Wavertree, I'm off to occupy the radical centre ground of British politics!"
Lol, a 10 year plan, I give it until the next general election and they quickly become nobodies, why wouldn't you leverage your MP status and actually try to win.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....-painted-on-door-of-10-year-olds-salford-home
Brexit has opened Pandora's Box.
Brexit has opened Pandora's Box.
Looks like it's happening then, wonder if they'll have some solid policies hashed out at this point or if it's just "we aren't like those people."
Criticism of Labour is gonna get a lot louder, gonna be interesting to see what comes of it now they've put their money where their mouth is.
Listening to Radio 4 just now, they think it's going to be around half a dozen MPs - Chuka amongst them. Don't think it will be a creation of a party as with the SDP in the 80s.
As I said in the Brexit thread, they can all do one.
All this harrumphing and hollering about deselection and bullying only to turn around and jump ship is pathetic, and shows it up for the performative bollocks it always was.
None of them will do the honourable thing and run in a by-election in their current constituency, because they all know they'd get fucking demolished. Fuck the lot of them.
All this harrumphing and hollering about deselection and bullying only to turn around and jump ship is pathetic, and shows it up for the performative bollocks it always was.
None of them will do the honourable thing and run in a by-election in their current constituency, because they all know they'd get fucking demolished. Fuck the lot of them.
The tories will be rubbing their hands with fucking glee, so called centrist Labour MPs who seem to be happy with handing the country to the Tories should just leave politics.
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