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UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2
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Lol, I need to stop giving people the benefit of the doubt, but we all have blindspots I suppose.
He won't get deselected. He'll be fine and have the full confidence of the party
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47320171
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Maybe he'll have committee meetings with Fiona Onasanya if they both end up in the slammer?
Corbyn really can't help shooting himself in the foot. This should have been clear and cut, suspension straightaway, while further investigations take place. Instead he had to essentially be forced into it, this was only going to end one way and he dragged his foot at every stage.
Wonder what reason they gave because if the reason isn't air tight, this looks really bad.
Eh, I'm going to wait for details on this one before passing judgment. Tweets from a Telegraph journalist with only one side of the story aren't worth very much.
She says "forced" as the headline but then says he quit later on. Which doesn't mean he wasn't bullied out, but could be pretty misleading.
She says "forced" as the headline but then says he quit later on. Which doesn't mean he wasn't bullied out, but could be pretty misleading.
Keep calling him an anti-Semite and ignore that story he tweeted
The "right to rent" story should have more publicity. Anyone could see that making landlords do the work of the immigration police (with big penalties for renting to an 'illegal') would lead to discrimination again foreign-looking (i.e. brown) people.
You say that like he can't both do a good thing and be an antisemite at the same time. People are complicated, Corbyn wouldn't be a unique case there.
Are you trying to say there isn't a problem and it's some sort of conspiracy?
Antisemetism is a real problem.
The focus on antisemetism/bigotry on the Left and ignoring of antisemetism/bigotry on the Right is part of the wider problem of having a rabidly right wing press driving the political conversation in this country and around the world.
It's not a conspiracy, any more than the vast majority of the press backing the Tories at General Elections is a conspiracy.
Everyone knows the right are racists and anti-semites. There no discussion to be had because nobody on the left is disagreeing. That's not ignoring it, it's a "water is wet" situation.
Well it is ignoring it because the people who are anti-semitic or islamaphobic on the right are being ignored in favour of a singular focus on issues on the left.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/02/tories-islamophobia-bigotry
That's probably more to do with the media being owned by conservatives like Rupert Murdock than people not caring. People care about a lot of things, but the media ignoring them will make them less inclined to speak up because it's not the topic of conversation at the water cooler.
That's exactly my point - the media are ignoring it while hyper-focusing on issues in Labour, and therefore the general perception is that Labour is an institutionally racist party and Teresa May can get away with saying things like this knowing the extensive issues with racism in her own party go unreported.
Anti-semitism is obviously a real problem, just like every other kind of discrimination.
I'm just saying that the allegations against these 3 specific persons are probably bullshit. Nothing in their personal history or actions supports this. The primary source (before every other copy/paste quality journalism) is often some bilionaire-owned newspapers (and before you ask, no I'm not against freedom of press and obviously there are some honest ones). Ideology is not conspiracy.
There are a million things you could criticize about these 3 political figures though.
Edit : Wow, Tygre said it all.
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I can't wait until the day Murdoch kicks the bucket. He's the biggest piece of shit in U.K. media. I know his family will carry on the name but iirc his sons aren't as massive pieces of shit
I disagree with the statement "There no discussion to be had". There absolutely is, and it isn't happening.
Everyone doesn't know that, that's the problem with with the media have.
The discussion being "the right aren't racists," there is a conversation to be had, but that isn't it.
That's fair.
Yeah, the world will be in a slightly better place when he goes.
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You have a point. However the "but they're racists too!" position isn't exactly a great look, is it?
The fact is the Labour anti-semitism issue is so deep, so numerous, and has such little action done that it dominates the wider discussion. And it does any focus any allegation to any other party a shameful betrayal. Any and all acts like this in all parties need to be addressed, without fail.
Everyone can hold the media to account, but when you have your own party members leaving because of this issue, it goes way beyond that.
And this shit keeps happening, virtually every hour, in every day, even after what has gone on.
what's not a good look is when the BBC political editor decides there's a sliding scale of racism worth reporting.
We can focus on more than one thing at a time but the fact people don't actually give a shit about a conservative peer, almost daily now, having to publicly shame the party into action or half their members thinking there's no-go zones run by Muslims in this country and the media completely ignoring it it's fair to call that out. It doesn't excuse or downplay Labour's own issues.
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You'll have to provide the stats to make me actually say those words :p
You think there's less racism in the Tory party? And that they take more action on it?
49% Vs 0.01%
(Actually that's Tory voters not members but I bet the membership is even higher)
When Labour have antisemitic policies and antisemitic campaigns we can consider the two equivalent
Edit: just want to add I don't want to excuse or downplay the cases of antisemitism that have happened in the Labour party, and I wish the party would be quicker to deal with these cases when they arise.
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I don't know. That's why I'd like to find out. Clearly if it's as big as anti-semitism in the Labour party we'd have heard about it from avenues beyond our main media.
I don't, sorry. But given that there's plenty of talk about it, I'd assume people here did have given it's a key counter argument to the big issue at hand.
The Conservative Party totally doesn't have a problem with Islamaphobia. /s
The conservatives are a bigoted party, if its not Muslims, it's "the gays", the "irish", the "blacks", the disabled, the benefit claimants, the unemployed, the immigrants, the refugees etc.
They are a totally nasty party that play divide and rule and are backed up by the most cynical media you could ever find.
Goldsmith lost that election you could say because of his nasty campaign but he still is an MP and still a member of the Conservative party even after that disgraceful campaign.
As for antisemitism the conservative party have questions to answer after their MEPs support Viktor Orban in the European Parliament.
The conservatives are a bigoted party, if its not Muslims, it's "the gays", the "irish", the "blacks", the disabled, the benefit claimants, the unemployed, the immigrants, the refugees etc.
They are a totally nasty party that play divide and rule and are backed up by the most cynical media you could ever find.
Goldsmith lost that election you could say because of his nasty campaign but he still is an MP and still a member of the Conservative party even after that disgraceful campaign.
As for antisemitism the conservative party have questions to answer after their MEPs support Viktor Orban in the European Parliament.
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"people aren't really talking about racism or islamophobia"
"if it was a problem people would talk about it"
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Remember Count Dankula? Me neither, but he was that wazzock who "was convicted of the "grossly offensive" antisemitic hate crime and fined £800 after teaching his girlfriend's pet pug dog to do a Nazi salute in response to him shouting the deeply antisemitic phrase, "gas the Jews", and then uploading a video of the act."
Well the BBC have decided to employ him.
I'm sure this will turn out to be Corbyn's fault somehow.
You've been dunked on by a fair number of people on this page, mostly for the rampant Islamophobia in the Tory party, and I don't really want to pile on, but I think it needs to be noted that on the same page I post about how the "right to rent" has been ruled racially discriminatory and unlawful - a key part of the hostile environment that was the brainchild of Theresa May and enacted under the Cameron government, and one that overwhelmingly effected people of colour, it takes some fucking gall to make the post you did. Black people who have every right to be here have been made homeless, denied their right to medical care, and even deported to countries they've never been to or haven't been to since they were a child 40+ years ago, and you fucking say this shit.
WINDRUSH. W-I-N-D-R-U-S-H. Have you forgotten so quickly, or did it just not register because the fucking shitty right wing media don't care about racism if it comes from the Tory party?
Fucking call me when the Labour party has done any of the above to a member of the Jewish community or anyone else. "we'd have heard about it about blah blah blah". Fuck outta here.
He's been dropped already. Surprised that article wasn't updated tbh
https://www.scotsman.com/news/bbc-s...pug-criminal-after-furious-backlash-1-4882522
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