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UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2
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Working majority of one. I know it won't happen but could you imagine Bojo's face if Sinn Féin marched into Parliament on the 3rd September and took their seats.
The House would lose its collective shit. But they will never ever ever ever ever. They want a border poll and that's that about that.
Disgusting that Chris Davies still got 39% of the vote even after a conviction for submitting false expenses. People really don't give a shit, do they?
In this country we have a twisted and perverse sense of justice that routinely lets politicians off the hook for lying, cheating and stealing on the one hand, and has gnashing our teeth if a poor person claims more benefits than they're entitled to on the other.
In this country we have a twisted and perverse sense of justice that routinely lets politicians off the hook for lying, cheating and stealing on the one hand, and has gnashing our teeth if a poor person claims more benefits than they're entitled to on the other.
Rules don't apply to tories. They can be as crooked, malicious and racist as they like, but people will still consider them a fundamental backbone of the country.
Afraid of losing their seats at the next GE if in a weak LD area. That is basically all.
Can't believe Labour did so badly (12.5% down) that they almost lost their deposit and only beat the Monster Raving Loony Party and UKIP - a joke and a dead party whose base has transferred to another that doubled Labour's share. This may not have been a Labour seat by any stretch of the imagination, but this paints a picture. How much more of this sort of stuff needs to happen before the party wakes up and realizes something needs to happen to stop a horrific electoral slide in the next GE?
I want more tactical voting until we get past this mess, i hope libdem's and greens do something similar if a brexiter tory can be got rid of.
It's a safe conservative seat, for now it isn't.
Didn't realise until today how dreadful Labour's by-election record is:
The upcoming Labour conference is going to be really interesting. If Corbyn or the people around him refuse to yield to the will of the membership on Brexit then his time as leader will probably come to an end. There is no plausible route to government for the party as things stand. Corbyn made a big noise about democratising the party and having policies that reflect the view of members, he has one final chance to deliver on that otherwise even his most ardent supporters are going to lose hope.
I believe it's possible for Labour to win power as a Remain party. I don't think it's possible for them to do it as a party of "jobs-first Brexit or Remain vs no deal". There is no reconciling the two halves of the country and they need to accept that now.
How the fuck did the Tories still do so well with the same candidate? Some parts of this country are beyond help.
Anyway it looks like so good ol' tactical voting and the Brexit party messed it up for Boris. Shame that.
Anyway it looks like so good ol' tactical voting and the Brexit party messed it up for Boris. Shame that.
Yeah, he came close to keeping the seat, but Neil Brown envelopes Hamilton can still get elected so it shouldn't be a surprise.
If they did try then it would be a dodgy Tory MP gloating in the papers today, it couldn't have gone better.
This doesn't bode well for a general election tbh. If Conservatives got BXP to go to them they'd win easily. Yes it's a nail in the coffin now, but it shows Boris No Deal is a winning electoral strategy. He will be MORE confident entering a General election after this. Thanks to our shit electoral system.
That mythologised British sense of fair play at work again innit
Had it not been the the Lib-Dumbs going into coalition with that fat, lazy "call me dave", "chillaxing" Camoron govt, we wouldn't even be in this mess as documented articles have shown that austerity directly led to the Leave vote winning.
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Austerity was happening one way or another. Do you actually remember that little about 2010?
Austerity is a political choice and the Lib Dems helped facilitate it. No point trying to rewrite history and I think Jo Swinson is very aware of the criticism.
It is a political choice. It was one that all three parties would have gone through with, to varying degrees, had they won outright. The notion that austerity wouldn't have happened had the Libs not gone into coalition is ridiculous. We would have had a minority Conservative government, pushing for austerity, and a general election in a country that had largely bought the notion that we had to tighten the purse strings to handle the financial crisis brought about by a
I'm sorry, what was your point again? You know, besides white-washing the LD's and insulting my intelligence?
The LD's had other choices besides going into bed with the Tories and reneging on virtually every major manifesto commitment.
The economy was growing under Darling, until that towel folder and economic illiterate Osborne stopped it dead in it's tracks. Yes, Ed Milliband had notionally accepted the need for economic "austerity" but I doubt even he would have passed deeply illiberal and damaging policies that Swinson / Clegg / Vince did.
And Swinson has demonstrated she has learnt absolutely nothing by already ruling out a coalition with Labour under JC.
Source: Sarah Teather / Jo Swinson
You know, give it four or five years -- after we've left the European Union -- Swinson will be out and probably working in the private sector [like Clegg] in some vastly overpaid job.
I'm sorry, what was your point again? You know, besides white-washing the LD's and insulting my intelligence?
The LD's had other choices besides going into bed with the Tories and reneging on virtually every major manifesto commitment.
The economy was growing under Darling, until that towel folder and economic illiterate Osborne stopped it dead in it's tracks. Yes, Ed Milliband had notionally accepted the need for economic "austerity" but I doubt even he would have passed deeply illiberal policies that Swinson / Clegg / Vince did.
And Swinson has demonstrated she has learnt absolutely nothing by already ruling out a coalition with Labour under JC.
Source: Sarah Teather / Jo Swinson
You know, give it four or five years -- after we've left the European Union -- Swinson will be out and probably working in the private sector [like Clegg] in some vastly overpaid job.
Ed Milliband wasn't Labour leader in 2010.
I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm questioning your recollection of the political situation in 2010.
Of course they did, and I wish they hadn't and took a principled stand, but, I think we'd have got a Conservative majority in the Autumn had they happened and I think we'd have seen the same or worse austerity as a result.
The Prime Minister/Labour Leader was Gordon Brown at the time, he was tired and the country was tired of him. If Ed had succeeded him (not a certainty if a snap election was a possibility I'd guess), he would have likely faced the same defeat in 2010 as in 2015.
(They've also ruled out coalition with the Conservatives - they've definitely learned something).
Quite probably, yes. Why do you think I'm a cheerleader for her?
Since that time, Labour have had a change of Leader (who had nothing to do with those policies because he consistently) voted against them and a transformation in it's social, economic and political program. In other words, they've moved on from Bliar. It's the Blairites who refuse to move on and get with the changing times.
Do some basic fact checking before you make a fool of yourself in a public forum. :o)
Quite obvious the context is in terms of the 2010 GE, in which Gordon Brown was leader, and of course would have remained so had Labour won that election.
And "We would have done it then, but wouldn't now" is a poor defence when your argument is "They did it then, so they definitely would do it now, no matter what they say".
Tactical voting in a Lib Dem / Tory marginal depressed the Labour vote. This means nothing in the wider landscape.
Actually we dealt with it by electing the one candidate for leader who opposed it.
Have people forgotten how Corbyn won in the first place?
When attacking a political party for something that happened in the past, I do also think it's important to bear in mind whether the party you support would have also done exactly the same thing.
There was wide support for austerity, to varying degrees, across all the main parties in 2010, and it's also disingenuous to state that only people who opposed it then would not continue with it now. Are only Labour allowed to shift their opinion on policy over the course of 10 years?
Opinions are flimsy. Labour are the only party that have chosen to shift their leadership.
The Tories are still led by the authors of Austerity.
The Lib Dems are still led by the authors of Austerity.
Labour are not led by people who were supportive of Austerity. That is the difference.
Everyone is entitled to change their mind, but if the options are:
A) Someone who used to think jumping off a cliff was a good idea, but now wants to maybe abseil down half-way instead.
B) Someone who always thought jumping off a cliff was stupid, and still doesn't want to climb down the cliff at all.
Then I'll take B.
Cutting back and balancing the books is a long way from doing exactly the same thing, I don't think Brown would have run around screaming about the money running dry either/killing the growth under way.
There's also a good chance Brown might have replaced the Chancellor if he had won the general election as they didn't see eye to eye.
There's also a good chance Brown might have replaced the Chancellor if he had won the general election as they didn't see eye to eye.
A sounds like Corbyn on Brexit :S
B sounds a lot like the Liberal Democrats on Brexit :S
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People vote more tactically in by-elections than in regular elections. This is partly because most people also generally don't vote in by-elections…
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what is wrong with these people?
Saw this response from Bernie, what a good lad he is.
In before "what do experts know" and project OOF
Another black mark against the big Boris plan
Another black mark against the big Boris plan
That's one of those things I agree they should stop taxing, change the law and actually dump money into just to do it. Properly wiring the country should be seen as an essential service.
There's a good bit near the end of that where it makes sense to use a mix of wired and 5G solutions for remotely located homes. Doesn't make sense to dig up the country for one farmer in the middle of nowherewhrn a 5G connection does the job
that's true, it definitely makes sense to do wireless in some areas. There's still quite a few black spots in this country though which could be solved with better planning.
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