Um, is it normal for someone to casually admit to pirating stuff?

Nappael

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone know if it's okay to put the legit Wikipedia link to that site? Or is that considered piracy as well? Like, are we even allowed to talk about these things?

For the sake of education, I would like to post the Wikipedia link but if it's not allowed I won't bother.
This website has pretty strict rules on promoting piracy. Discussing is fine, but I feel "here is a wikipedia link talking about and naming the website we all use to pirate content" might cross the line into promoting. To be honest, my post and a number of posts in this thread get mighty close to that line but I wanted to explain my situation at work, and that it's basically a requirement to do my job properly because of how fucked up academic publishing is.

I think not naming the websites is probably the best idea, even if that means just linking to a wiki article on them.
 

MartinB105

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Nov 8, 2017
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To be frank, Kodi can be used for other stuff than pirated content. Most people don't, but it's totally possible.
The point of Kodi was to give users the very best possible experience for browsing and playing their digital media (and it's still the best). The entertainment industry then fucked it up by not letting people actually buy movies and TV shows to add to their Kodi library.
 

BLEEN

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Oct 27, 2017
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This website has pretty strict rules on promoting piracy. Discussing is fine, but I feel "here is a wikipedia link talking about and naming the website we all use to pirate content" might cross the line into promoting. To be honest, my post and a number of posts in this thread get mighty close to that line but I wanted to explain my situation at work, and that it's basically a requirement to do my job properly because of how fucked up academic publishing is.

I think not naming the websites is probably the best idea, even if that means just linking to a wiki article on them.
Ye, I figured. Honestly, the background on how that site started is really something. Main reason I was bringing it up lol
 

Border

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I feel like the upside of this whole thing is that what you said was so phenomally stupid that everyone must have just assumed you were being ironic instead of sincere.
 

Dogui

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Where i live, a lot of people would think you're stupid by not pirating stuff.

Pirating being bad is pretty much a 1st world thing, i think.

Nowadays people has netflix and spotify, along with video game consoles being better protected, so piracy is at lower levels, but it's still common practice.
 

Biske

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Nov 11, 2017
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Where i live, a lot of people would think you're stupid by not pirating stuff.

Pirating being bad is pretty much a 1st world thing, i think.

Nowadays people has netflix and spotify, along with video game consoles being better protected, so piracy is at lower levels, but it's still common practice.
Honestly, if you live in a country that has fucked you over economically and other countries fuck you over economically, where despite your best efforts it's a struggle just to live a basic life, why the fuck wouldn't you pirate stuff? There is a whole world of culture and experience and learning and entertainment that you shouldn't be cut out off from just cause of shitty circumstances.
 

Adam_Roman

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Maybe it's just because I grew up around it but piracy seems like such a small deal to me. When I was a kid my dad would get tons of games and programs from his friends from work. That's how I played The Neverhood and Half-Life originally. As I got older I understood the morality of it more and nowadays I don't at all unless it's something I can't buy without supporting the creators. So new games, music, movies, etc are all purchased, but if there's something I wanna try but there's no legal way to get it other than secondhand at an insane price, what am I supposed to do? I'm not gonna just not play Daikatana on Gameboy Color.
 

ObbyDent

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I'm an academic researcher.

There are 2 websites which I shouldn't name here, but any academic reading this should know exactly the ones I'm talking about. One mostly specialises in journal papers, while the other one is a little more general but mostly provides the books you are talking about.

Every single one of us uses those two websites. Not as a cost saving on our part (as individuals) exactly, but because they are vital for us to do our job, and because most university libraries do not have the funds to subscribe to everything (although most libraries are pretty good and researchers can forget to ask, so any reading this, remember there is a librarian on hand!). It also beats the hell out of using a VPN for everything.

I also have a couple of papers that are on there and I'm completely happy if people download them.
Dude did you just admit to a crime?
 

Dogui

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Honestly, if you live in a country that has fucked you over economically and other countries fuck you over economically, where despite your best efforts it's a struggle just to live a basic life, why the fuck wouldn't you pirate stuff? There is a whole world of culture and experience and learning and entertainment that you shouldn't be cut out off from just cause of shitty circumstances.
Yeah, it's kinda like this.

At the same time, piracy culture is (was?) so strong in Brazil that even some of the richest people doesn't give a shit to get the legit stuff, even when they are on the cheap side. Sometimes they don't even know where they can obtain the original product, it's also a matter of awareness.

Like, the president (I think it was Lula, at the time) was spotted watching a pirated dvd movie on his airplane like 10/15 years ago.

My brother was playing pirated Counter Strike on a custom server like 3/4 years ago. He has a good job and enough money to get the original game, but simply didn't know Steam was a thing, since he's not super in touch with videogames and was used to pirate stuff. He got the game on Steam some time after it (Even bought the game for me as well, so i could play with him haha) simply because people was like "You know, this game is kinda cheap and playing online on Steam is a lot better and stuff". Nowadays he has a PS4 and bought a lot of games.

People here had to be atleast a little nerd about something to even consider the possibility of getting an original product, 10 years ago. Nowadays Netflix and Spotify reigns supreme, but most people will still torrent the new amazon prime series haha
 

Haze

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Oct 25, 2017
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It is a bit absurd if you switch the context of it.

what’s really the difference in “yeah I pirated that game last year ” and “yeah I stole that game from Best Buy last year”?
 

tr1b0re

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They literally sell pirated movies and stuff on the streets in my country

Until only fairly recently piracy was the main method of anybody getting any kind of media simply because it was either too expensive or we straight up couldn't access it because the companies that made the products wouldn't make them available

Saying you pirated something here is as normal as saying you went to the movies

That being said in recent years I've moved more towards getting my content legally, especially as it's become more affordable due to the move towards digital

Honestly, if you live in a country that has fucked you over economically and other countries fuck you over economically, where despite your best efforts it's a struggle just to live a basic life, why the fuck wouldn't you pirate stuff? There is a whole world of culture and experience and learning and entertainment that you shouldn't be cut out off from just cause of shitty circumstances.
Eeyup, especially if its content they decided to not make available to us in the first place. If you weren't selling to us then it's hardly a lost sale.
 

DjDeathCool

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It is a bit absurd if you switch the context of it.

what’s really the difference in “yeah I pirated that game last year ” and “yeah I stole that game from Best Buy last year”?
You can't Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V a physical item.

Equating intellectual property to physical property is counter productive. I think piracy is ethically questionable at best but it's not a 1:1 with physical theft.
 

Haze

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You can't Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V a physical item.

Equating intellectual property to physical property is counter productive. I think piracy is ethically questionable at best but it's not a 1:1 with physical theft.
Well yeah. But it’s still theft. I’m just pointing out that when broken down to its barest similarities, it’s a bit silly to think how normally accepted piracy is but retail theft would raise eyebrows.
 

DjDeathCool

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Obviously. But it’s still theft. I’m just pointing out that when broken down to its barest similarities, it’s a bit silly to think how normally accepted piracy is but retail theft would raise eyebrows.
Physical theft has the potential to lead to violence. When you're stealing a physical game you're removing a physical item from someone else's ownership. When you pirate a game you're creating a copy and removing POTENTIAL profit from a developer. These two things are not equitable at all.

Stealing POTENTIAL profit =/= Removing a physical Item from someone's ownership. I'm pretty sure under US law, I'm dead wrong here but I think the DMCA is horseshit. So do with that as you will...

Also, think about the act of stealing a product from a store vs copying a pasting a folder on your computer. One is a far more brazen act than the other. Hence the difference in eyebrow height.

Edit: I don't think openly discussing piracy at work is ever going to be a *good* look. It's just not at all the same thing as shoplifting.
 

Lump

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Oct 25, 2017
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I’ve met more than a few people that think that those super shady movie and show streaming sites are very legal and very cool - “I found it in a search engine, so what’s wrong with that? Google wouldn’t steer me wrong.” This is despite virtually all of them shoving adware and spyware and porn ads and phish attacks and whatever else.
 

Inigo Montoya

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Nov 6, 2017
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I assume everyone that cancels cable is pirating. Most of them willingly admit to it too.

Admitting to pirating games is a bit much though.
 

xxracerxx

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I haven't actually heard about anyone pirating games in real life since I was in high school or college.
 

Yarbskoo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well yeah. But it’s still theft. I’m just pointing out that when broken down to its barest similarities, it’s a bit silly to think how normally accepted piracy is but retail theft would raise eyebrows.
Theft is stealing a game from best buy. Piracy is buying a game from best buy, copying it, then giving that copy to someone else without permission from the publisher.

They're not the same thing.
 
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Zukuu

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Oct 30, 2017
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It is a bit absurd if you switch the context of it.

what’s really the difference in “yeah I pirated that game last year ” and “yeah I stole that game from Best Buy last year”?
One is theft. One is copyright infringement.

Totally different cases. In one there is damage caused in the other there isn't. You still have that thing and you can still sell it.
 

Haze

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Theft is stealing a game from best buy. Piracy is buying a game from best buy, copying it, then giving that copy to someone else without permission from the publisher.

Theyre not the same thing.
That seems like a lot of semantics to go around the point that downloading a game without paying for it is stealing. We are really splitting hairs here.



One is theft. One is copyright infringement.

Totally different cases. In one there is damage caused in the other there isn't. You still have that thing and you can still sell it.
If you’re the person who uploaded or hosted the download of said work, yes that is copyright infringement.

arguing over the semantics is completely missing the point
 
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