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THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 27, 2017
22,841
Fantastic film, I knew it wouldn't turn out well for Howard but still was upset when he died.

I see it is he died on a high note. His life was never going to get better and he finally "Won". That's the way I took it. If he lived he would just squander it anyway.
 

Yoshimitsu126

The Fallen
Nov 11, 2017
14,679
United States
This wasn't very fun to watch but at least the story made sense. Seems more like a film for Adam Sandler to act serious. Kevin Garnett was great though.

Didn't realize Dina was Indina Menzel but felt she looked familiar. Great name choice lol. Julia was hot.
 

Valiant

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,310
I see it is he died on a high note. His life was never going to get better and he finally "Won". That's the way I took it. If he lived he would just squander it anyway.

He's won big bets before. I imagine this particular one just went too far. The movie sets him up as constantly being in debt to people, so I'm sure he has had similar close calls before.
 

Linkura

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,943
I just watched Good Time and surprisingly liked it even though crime movies generally aren't my thing. Will put this in my queue.
 

Valiant

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,310
We don't really know that.

Yes we do. You infer it from his previous debts. Certainly they could be for other things but we have seen him do 2 huge bets within the plot of the movie. He has a nice house and an apartment and a business. You don't keep those by constantly losing bets.

You need to see the world around him to understand where he came from.
 

THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
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Oct 27, 2017
22,841
Yes we do. You infer it from his previous debts. Certainly they could be for other things but we have seen him do 2 huge bets within the plot of the movie. He has a nice house and an apartment and a business. You don't keep those by constantly losing bets.

You need to see the world around him to understand where he came from.

From his reaction I'm guessing he's never won that big. He has all those nice things because he owes borrows money and I imagine business is good but he has an addiction and that is gambling. As I said we don't know what he's won but from the looks of it he doesn't win often and makes bad choices.
 

Valiant

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Oct 25, 2017
3,310
From his reaction I'm guessing he's never won that big. He has all those nice things because he owes borrows money and I imagine business is good but he has an addiction and that is gambling. As I said we don't know what he's won but from the looks of it he doesn't win often and makes bad choices.

The people in the film loaning him money doesn't make it look like he got those things from their loans. Looks like he just takes loans to use on bets.

He has most definitely won... you don't form an addiction by just losing all the time. You like the highs of winning and all of the stuff he bets on with all of the odds its like second nature to him. He has done big bets before and most likely has lost and won on them multiple times.

I didn't think his reaction was the same as someone winning for the first time. I would think they would be more animated. This seemed more like a told ya so.
 

THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
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Oct 27, 2017
22,841
The people in the film loaning him money doesn't make it look like he got those things from their loans. Looks like he just takes loans to use on bets.

He has most definitely won... you don't form an addiction by just losing all the time. You like the highs of winning and all of the stuff he bets on with all of the odds its like second nature to him. He has done big bets before and most likely has lost and won on them multiple times.

I didn't think his reaction was the same as someone winning for the first time. I would think they would be more animated. This seemed more like a told ya so.

Disagree and we both are guessing at this point.

Whatever the case I think he died at a high point in his life. That's my take on it anyways.
 

Valiant

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,310
Disagree and we both are guessing at this point.

Whatever the case I think he died at a high point in his life. That's my take on it anyways.

Well you are supposed to guess lol its your interpretation of the events the film makes laid out for you. If they made everything spelled out it would be boring and dull..

I do agree that he went out feeling a great high. Just that he's had that high before.
 

THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
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Oct 27, 2017
22,841
Well you are supposed to guess lol its your interpretation of the events the film makes laid out for you. If they made everything spelled out it would be boring and dull..

Well, no shit. As I said we are both guessing or interpreting what happened before he's at his current point in life. I don't agree with you that he's won more than he did in the end. My interpretation is the dude is a loser through and through. Makes terrible choices and that is obvious from the get go of the movie.
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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He has most definitely won... you don't form an addiction by just losing all the time. You like the highs of winning and all of the stuff he bets on with all of the odds its like second nature to him. He has done big bets before and most likely has lost and won on them multiple times.
Please talk to my aunt, who spends hundreds of dollars a month on lottery tickets and is broke, and then come back to this thread.
 

HStallion

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
62,262
Dude is scamming million dollar opals from Ethiopian Jews after having them smuggled into the country inside a dead fish. I don't think Howard's reaction to the ending gamble was because it was a first time event but because he not only had power over the people beating and humiliating and then showing them up at the same time.
 

Valiant

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Oct 25, 2017
3,310
No. She has jackshit.

And I know several other boomers who are in the same place. It's a mental illness.

I'm not debating that he wasn't an addict just that he's been here before, it's why it's so easy for him to get into it.

You don't go from having an addiction to scratchers and low level casino stuff to dropping over 150k on various odds.
 

BLEEN

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Oct 27, 2017
21,871
Saw it yesterday. Up there with the lighthouse for my favorite films of the year. Never having seen Sandler act in a serious film before he was excellent. The way it was shot and how the dialogue was spoken felt so natural and real. Last 20 minutes are intense as hell and had me almost sweating.

side note. Julia Fox was great in her first movie and a few scenes had my mouth drop for reasons other than her acting.
I gotchu:
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BLEEN

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Oct 27, 2017
21,871
That shot had the guy sitting next to me going "Hot Damn".
I wouldn't expect any less.
This was the scene I knew Howard was a lost cause.
I'm with you. I debated a few people about his reaction. I think he was in the wrong mostly (but I get where he's coming from), she was star-struck and all that. The relationship still had some momentum as we learned but there was no way it was ever going to end well lol

No lie, I would love a sequel now that I think about it.
 

hydruxo

▲ Legend ▲
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Oct 25, 2017
20,409
Finally got to watch this today. Holy shit I'm exhausted. Name a better duo than high anxiety and the Safdie bros lmao. God, what a masterpiece.
 

Chikor

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Oct 26, 2017
14,239
Well you are supposed to guess lol its your interpretation of the events the film makes laid out for you. If they made everything spelled out it would be boring and dull..
I don't think you must fill in the backstory and "lore" when you watch a movie.
I generally don't do that.
 

Valiant

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,310
I don't think you must fill in the backstory and "lore" when you watch a movie.
I generally don't do that.

It's not lore.

And hey guess what your actors do to create their characters.

EDIT: You don't have to do that but I do because the point is to try to decipher the art without the artists telling you what to know exactly.
 

shintoki

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Oct 25, 2017
15,078
Hot damn, this film was something. Safdie bros knocked it out alongside Sandler. He spelled it out for KG in the end, it is all about the gamble. The dude knows he has issues, but the only time he is happy is when he is gambling and hitting that high again. Every single time something goes well, he fucks it up. Then he gets blessed again... and the same thing with every single person in the film giving him an out. There is not a single person in this film that actually fucks him over by the end, he just loves fucking himself over.

My sole issue is how spelled out the ending was from the start and me sitting their, waiting for it the entire time. I was screaming when he went to unlock that door.
 

hydruxo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hot damn, this film was something. Safdie bros knocked it out alongside Sandler. He spelled it out for KG in the end, it is all about the gamble. The dude knows he has issues, but the only time he is happy is when he is gambling and hitting that high again. Every single time something goes well, he fucks it up. Then he gets blessed again... and the same thing with every single person in the film giving him an out. There is not a single person in this film that actually fucks him over by the end, he just loves fucking himself over.

My sole issue is how spelled out the ending was from the start and me sitting their, waiting for it the entire time. I was screaming when he went to unlock that door.

I feel like if anything, that just adds to the film and makes it better. The whole time you know this can't end well but you just don't know how it's going to go down, so it makes the tension and stress level that much higher throughout. It's almost a relief when Howard dies in a way because of it? I don't know, it's hard to explain but I haven't felt so on the edge of my seat throughout an entire movie since Fury Road.
 

shintoki

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like if anything, that just adds to the film and makes it better. The whole time you know this can't end well but you just don't know how it's going to go down, so it makes the tension and stress level that much higher throughout. It's almost a relief when Howard dies in a way because of it? I don't know, it's hard to explain but I haven't felt so on the edge of my seat throughout an entire movie since Fury Road.
Yes and no. I knew they were going to kill him from their second scene. They really laid it in every time they were on screen, the first scene being them physically hitting him right from the start in front of everyone, next them getting thrown out by KG's guards, employee bringing it up that, next with him attacking and biting them, etc. It is brilliant in a way, that this was a wound Howard created and every interaction with them he continually reopened and kept making it bigger.

By the end, Howard was just absolutely mental locking them in and letting them back in. But he has to fuck up with them again till that snapping point with the one.
 

BearPawB

I'm a fan of the erotic thriller genre
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Oct 25, 2017
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We don't really know that.

I mean you have to explain his amazing house, his NYC apartment. The expensive gifts.
LIke yeah, he is in the jewelry buisness, big name clients come to him. But also, he is clearly already a gambling addict by the time we have seen him.
I don't think it is a stretch to assume he has hit bets before. Maybe not ones with quite this much at stake but it definitely isn't his first win or anything.
 

Ocean Bones

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
4,725
Seen it with a great group late last night and boy what a movie. By the end of it my heart was beating so fast I could barely sit to watch it anymore. The anxiety and break neck pace worked perfectly here and Sandler played the gambling addicit perfectly. I was pretty lit when we sat down to watch it and it vibed very well.

Look forward to buying this one and watching it again.
 

Exodus 1831

Member
Oct 25, 2018
333
What an exhausting movie lol. Fantastic acting throughout; loved Sandler, Lakeith Stanfield and Julia Fox. My friend wasn't too big on KG but I thought he was good as well. 7/10 for me.
 

Valiant

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,310
I mean you have to explain his amazing house, his NYC apartment. The expensive gifts.
LIke yeah, he is in the jewelry buisness, big name clients come to him. But also, he is clearly already a gambling addict by the time we have seen him.
I don't think it is a stretch to assume he has hit bets before. Maybe not ones with quite this much at stake but it definitely isn't his first win or anything.

Thank you. I was beginning to feel like a crazy person in here.

 

Pyccko

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Oct 25, 2017
3,868
Might be the most hectic movie I've ever seen. There were points I almost got out of my seat to walk around and calm down, so much was piling up. Hell of a movie.
 

Zoe

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Oct 25, 2017
14,236
I understand Howard's story was over, but man, I really want to know what happens next to Julia and those goons.
 

HStallion

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
62,262
I feel like if anything, that just adds to the film and makes it better. The whole time you know this can't end well but you just don't know how it's going to go down, so it makes the
tension and stress level that much higher throughout. It's almost a relief when Howard dies in a way because of it? I don't know, it's hard to explain but I haven't felt so on the edge of my seat throughout an entire movie since Fury Road.

I think it works against the movie for some viewers like myself. I honestly felt a bit bored and uninvolved with a lot of the earlier scenes because it all felt more than a little meandering and having a pretty good idea of how it was gonna end I was just kind of hoping it would get to that part. As great as Sandler was Howard was kind of a one note character for a large part of the movie, the beginning especially so a lot of it just came off as a bit repetitive by the third scene of people yelling at each other.
 

The Artisan

"Angels are singing in monasteries..."
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Oct 27, 2017
8,096
Went for the Weeknd, dude was in the movie for like fewer than 5 minutes
 
Oct 27, 2017
12,374
I think I liked this. Sandler was fantastic for sure- oddly likable and completely reprehensible at the same time. He needs to do more character roles like this.

I would best describe this as a ride, but not one I ever want to take again. Not because it was bad, but because I got what I needed. I can see this not being big with many people though. The story doesn't let up and doesn't explain things- you kind of have to have a basic understanding of how gambling and pawning works-and people talk all over each other. Very realistic in those regards.

Might be the most hectic movie I've ever seen. There were points I almost got out of my seat to walk around and calm down, so much was piling up. Hell of a movie.

Check out Good Time by the same brothers if you want more and haven't seen it.
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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On paper, Adam Sandler selling a magic stone to Kevin Garnett to improve his basketball game sounds like the plot of Space Jam 2.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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For those in Canada, this will be streaming on Netflix end of January:
Starts streaming: Jan. 31

In Josh and Benny Safdie's bleeding ulcer of a thriller, Adam Sandler stars as a Diamond District store owner whose gambling addiction has put him in mortal danger with the criminal element. His chances of betting his way out of hock are remote, but he sees an opportunity to climb out of debt when he purchases an uncut opal from an Ethiopian mine with the hope of auctioning it off for hundreds of thousands of dollars. A visit from the former Boston Celtics center Kevin Garnett (playing himself, convincingly) alters his plans, as do huge bets placed with a bookie (Mike Francesa) and with the Mohegan Sun casino. The Safdies stage his wheeling and dealing with relentless pace and an acrid sense of humor.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
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Dec 24, 2017
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That movie was the most stressful movie I think I've ever seen.

So are we meant to think his girlfriend just ends up with all the money? She doesn't know he's dead so I guess she would just take it all.