The fallout seems to be a bit more interesting than I expected.This isn't just loli or hentai tho but minors in sexual situations, not exactly just sex. Many anime/manga you watch or read would be under it. lol Going from Dragon Ball, to Naruto, to Gotoubun, to To love Ru, to Monogatari and so so many series out there, going from the 70s to today.
Anyone caught with it is fucking suspect (were there any studies on whether if the "im not a pedo I am not attracted to real children uwu" rationalization of this shit holds up?) but generally I agree with you, porn of real children is on another level of heinousness entirelyMy stance is that people are huge fucking creepos for being into that kinda shit, but at the end of the day, I don't think they should be jailed for it since actual children aren't involved. Though, if a law were passed that made it illegal, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
It would be interesting if the law was passed since it would affect way more than people expect. Shit like Evangelion would technically be illegal.
What? No. Porn is alive and well on Japanese conbini shelves.Err, didn't 7/11 blackball Hentai (and by extensive, that stuff) from their shelves a few months ago?
Other Convenience chains as well, the majority of them in general IIRC
This is what the proposal states:Erm, the project is not specifically about banning content of minors in anime/manga, it's about wholesale distribution of actual child exploitation and pornography.
Misleading thread title.
So it is more than just hentai.Child pornography is defined in article 2 OPSC as 'any representation of a child engaged in real or simulated explicit sexual activities, regardless of the means used, or any representation of the sexual parts of a child for primarily sexual purposes'. The qualification 'by whatever means' reflects the broad range of material available in a variety of media, online and offline. It includes, inter alia: visual material such as photographs, movies, drawings and cartoons; audio representations; any digital media representation; live performances; written materials in print or online; and physical objects such as sculptures, toys, or ornaments.
As far as drawings and cartoons do not contain realistic images. One could argue about the meaning of "realistic" in this context, but I don't think you are echoing their statement correctly.Austria's response, which you can read here, was far less indirect with your criticisms. They simply pointed out that fictional drawings and representations were not real children and therefore were not child pornography.
I would argue the "sexual jokes" in Naruto and Dragon Ball are entirely different than "wet sticky panties/sexual position jokes" in To Love Ru or "Orgasm Toothbrush" from Monogatari.
More generally speaking, if anime/manga/video games are anything to go by, Japan kind of has an unhealthy obsession with youth and high school girls. Obviously, having never been to Japan, I have no idea how widespread or mainstream this actually is. I've heard/read that it actually isn't mainstream at all, and that most "normal" Japanese people don't even know about it, and would be just as shocked as people elsewhere in the world. On the other hand there have been multiple western documentaries about this issue over the decades.
What the fuck happened to To Love Ru? It was just another Urusei Yatsura clone and by the end it was literally a softcore hentai manga. I hear it was because the author went through a bad divorce and said 'fuck it.'
I mean, later on it got more heavy on those elements but since the beginning it was already a romcom with heavy ecchi
And the one which got a divorce was the artist, not the author.
Lawson and Family Mart has followed 7-11. Many blamed the 2020 Olympics for the move.
Every episode of Evangelion ends with Rei Ayanami floating naked while the credits roll.
Very normal thing for a TV show to do. Not at all weird.
HahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaI think nobody would seriously defend underage "sexy scenes" in any form of media
Unless there are studies that show that looking at underage hentai can lead people to seek out real CP or otherwise normalize that behavior, I don't disagree with the US, Japan, and Austria in this case.
The shit's gross, but my opposition to CP in a larger sense is that it is an industry that necessitates the abuse and rape of children. If that isn't happening with hentai, I'm not interested in making it illegal it even if I find it gross and disturbing.
Not sure if that's in reference to me, but if it is I guess I'm not sure what to say. I don't think anime CP is "art," or something to be celebrated or promoted. If it were banned, I wouldn't be upset about it. I just agree with these particular countries on it and their reasoning.
Anything that promotes the abuse and exploitation of minors should be illegal. If anime CP does that, it should be too. If it doesn't, I'm fine with it not being.
Nope, 7-11 hasn't sold porn for a while now. Go see for yourself.
What do you want, a cookie? An award for having to rely on technicalities to justify people being disgusting? Also, before you respond, no, I don't give a shit about you saying "i think it's skeevy". People can say that shit all they want. I'll believe it when they stop stanning for it anyway. Right up there for me with "i'm not racist, but". Gtfo with that. If you have to qualify a statement, you know how it looks. If you know how it looks, you know why i'm mad. And you basically admit that it's justified by caving in to a qualifier. The qualifiers will never work.Also, I really disagree with the characterisation of it as "child porn"
It's seriously depressing.Feel like I end up seeing the same people in these threads trying to downplay lolicon porn.
I am not "stanning" for this stuff, I don't watch/read Loli stuff at all, I think it's gross, and I think it should be banned off Twitter, reddit, and the like.What do you want, a cookie? An award for having to rely on technicalities to justify people being disgusting? Also, before you respond, no, I don't give a shit about you saying "i think it's skeevy". People can say that shit all they want. I'll believe it when they stop stanning for it anyway. Right up there for me with "i'm not racist, but". Gtfo with that. If you have to qualify a statement, you know how it looks. If you know how it looks, you know why i'm mad. And you basically admit that it's justified by caving in to a qualifier. The qualifiers will never work.
If you have to ask why I'm angry and why I'm wiring a post like this-- I'm tired of people being disingenuous about their positions re: this issue. We don't need to entertain arguments like this any more. They shouldn't be listened to. This is a topic that attracts the most sleazy arguments. Honestly it should be ban worthy, getting so close to the edge of stanning for these products that your intentions are questionable in the first place.
I am not "stanning" for this stuff, I don't watch/read Loli stuff at all, I think it's gross, and I think it should be banned off Twitter, reddit, and the like.
But I just don't think it's the same as actual child porn, I don't think "into Loli" immediately equals "is a pedophile", I think what "underage" counts as in anime is way too hard to define to make this law remotely viable, and I think there is a strong free speech case to be made.
I can't imagine that someone sexually attracted to obvious depictions of children wouldn't also be attracted to actual children on some level.
To begin with this whole thing is called "Optional Protocol".
If it's optional nobody has to do it.
...there's a scene with Bart's dick? I assume that never made it past the censors lol
I mean, I'm assuming it's in the interest of the Japanese government to preserve printed lolicon for business purposes. You can literally walk into a 7/11 in Tokyo and see it on the shelves. I speak from personal experience on that one.
Not sure why America and Austria are caping for it though.
I think anime is enough of an abstraction that I don't think you can easily point and say "Oh, if they're into THIS, then they're into real child porn!"If you jerk off to a little kid, fictional or otherwise, you're a fucking pedophile man. If it looks like a little kid, it is a little kid for the purpose of selling sex to pedophiles. Fuck off with this shit. Lolicons are pedophiles, period.
I think anime is enough of an abstraction that I don't think you can easily point and say "Oh, if they're into THIS, then they're into real child porn!"
I think anime is enough of an abstraction that I don't think you can easily point and say "Oh, if they're into THIS, then they're into real child porn!"
So are Conventions though, you're just not forced to sign up for additional Protocols to Conventions IIRC.
Also the US isn't even a party to the Convention on Rights of the Child (the only one!) so they wouldn't be on board anyways.
...there's a scene with Bart's dick? I assume that never made it past the censors lol
I am not "stanning" for this stuff, I don't watch/read Loli stuff at all, I think it's gross, and I think it should be banned off Twitter, reddit, and the like.
But
Can we just straight up ban big tiddie otaku shit that's infested nearly all of anime now?
Nope, 7-11 hasn't sold porn for a while now. Go see for yourself.
Of course the main reason is probably the falling sales.
Robul Hoque, 39, is believed to be the first in the UK hauled before court over his collection of Japanese Manga or Anime-style images alone.
He admitted 10 counts of possessing prohibited images of children at Teesside Crown Court.
His barrister Richard Bennett said: "These are not what would be termed as paedophilic images. These are cartoons."
And Mr Bennett revealed that such banned images were freely available on legitimate sites.
He said: "This case should serve as a warning to every Manga and Anime fan to be careful. It seems there are many thousands of people in this country, if they are less then careful, who may find themselves in that position too."
Police found the images when they seized Hoque's computer from his home on June 13, 2012, said prosecutor Harry Hadfield. He said officers found 288 still and 99 moving images, but none were of real people.
They were classified as prohibited images as they depicted young girls, some in school uniforms, some exposing themselves or taking part in sexual activity.
Judge Tony Briggs said the pictures were manufactured, stylised, and "repulsive" to varying degrees.
He said: "They are clearly all images designed to make people think they are of children. They are fictitious images in the sense that in no part of them does any real person appear.
"It is important to emphasise that there were no actual children or perpetrators involved.
"I have to tell you that if there had been, an immediate prison sentence measured in years might have been appropriate.
"You are an intelligent man. You certainly should have been aware of the risk of indulging in accessing this material, and you acknowledge your foolishness and guilt."
He added: "This is material that clearly society and the public can well do without. Its danger is that it obviously portrays sexual activity with children, and the more it's portrayed, the more the ill-disposed may think it's acceptable."
He gave Hoque a nine-month prison sentence suspended for two years. He said anything that encouraged child abuse, including word of mouth, drawings or artistic impressions, was to be "actively discouraged".