Even if its wrong, I am almost waiting for someone to come up with a small crack/cheat that gives everyone unlimited points for free.
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Unlocking Everything in Battlefront II Requires 4,528 hours or $2100
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Even if its wrong, I am almost waiting for someone to come up with a small crack/cheat that gives everyone unlimited points for free.
Yeah, that just sounds like disrespecting the player's time.
I dont think ive ever commented in so many threads about Battlefront but its gets more disgusting the more i read.
It is completely irrelevant whether a game costs 0 or 60 dollars in this argument.
Also, I have seen you be very agressive towards anyone that doesn't agree with you in the past few days. If harrasing and calling people shills is the best you've got there really is no point in arguing here.
Why is maxing out all the Star Cards somehow "compulsory" to a player's enjoyment of Battlefront 2? Why should anyone get cards for classes and characters I don't play and don't plan to play?
If you want all of the Pokemon (Shiny included) and you want them all at max level with good-to-great IVs, it will take some insane amount of time. That game is just an example though and you could apply the same logic to any number of games that have an expansive amount of content and customizability. How long would it take to get every trinket in World of Warcraft? How long would it take to unlock every hero in League of Legends? How long does it take to get every gun in Destiny? Hundreds if not thousands of hours. But few people can genuinely say that they're completionists about games like that.
The price of a game is absolutely relevant to how much content should be restricted to you and for how long.
And I'm not aggressive to people who disagree with me, im aggressive to people who are ok with intentionally making games worse just so papa EA can line its pockets
Arguing in defense of this system isn't doing what's best for the game, it isn't doing what's best for the consumer, its doing what's best for EA and only EA
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You get to play forever against P2W players who are going to destroy you. Those will be the only players left after a couple months.
The purchases may be optional but the effect on gameplay is not.
How long does it take to get the best star cards for a single character?
How long does it take to breed and train a competitive Pokemon?
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*THIS* is the part people don't get. The point isn't "you aren't supposed to unlock everything". It's the fact that everything even COSTS that much. Players don't play MP games for years to unlock everything, they do it cause the games are good. It's ridiculous what you have to put in to enjoy playing this game on a level playing field vs someone with all the time or all the money in the world.
They only made a token change to be able to say "look we changed something by quartering the costs". That was only some characters and they reduced rewards at the same time.
I really would't change anything if was 3895h now, would it?
Man, this sucks as a Star Wars fan. I mean the game has single player. I'd want to buy it normally, but I'm not touching it. Like in terms of all the predatory ways to implement microtransactions, this seems to be the worst so far. At this juncture I'm somewhat surprised there isn't a season pass as well.
It's gotta feel shitty for the people actually doing the work on this came pouring time and effort into making sure everything looks proper to the movies that all their hard work is getting tarnished by share holders. Money talks I guess.
It's gotta feel shitty for the people actually doing the work on this came pouring time and effort into making sure everything looks proper to the movies that all their hard work is getting tarnished by share holders. Money talks I guess.
I wonder if that's where all of this is headed towards. But publishers will ask for that initial price for as long as they can.
Can I take a guess and say it doesn't take much longer than maxing out a star card?
(In a free to play game where you literally can play all you want without spending a dime)
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Last gen people bitched about Street Fighter IV selling 4 costumes for $5 and now they are $4 for 1 costume in SFV.
Season passes started with Call of Duty and Battlefield and both outlined the DLC roadmap. Now they are in every game and you don't even know what the fuck they will include.
First we had loot boxes in F2P games.
Then we had loot boxes in paid games but they were limited to cosmetics
Then we had lootboxes in paid single player games and they included gameplay effecting content (Shadow of War) (and are in addition to fucking season passes)
Now we have lootboxes in paid MP games with gameplay effecting content
Even if you don't buy the boxes the game is balanced to make you frustrated and envious at other players, to make you want to spend money to speed up the grind. It makes the game worse for everyone.
Loot boxes have infiltrated everything in the last year or so and it fucking sucks. The pubs will keep pushing it and the defense force is making it easier for them.
What's more, if the game is unbalanced, frustrating and received poorly people will quickly leave it for something else. Then you're just playing against the P2W guys who will destroy you. So pretty quickly you have a $60 game with empty servers and even the P2W guys who spent hundreds of dollars will have moved on to some other skinner box.
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I mean the content is there, you just gotta decide on what to spend your digital credits. I've played tons of hours on a couple of Call Of Duty's online and I know I've never unlocked all the shit they give you, where was the outrage there. Don't get me wrong the whole microtransactions ordeal has been really ugly and the amount of time needed to unlock things was way too much, so thank god everyone got up in arms and they changed that, but at this point seems like people are just looking for outrage.
Activision, EA and AAA UbiSoft? Good idea.
Replace the headline by "1000h for half the content". Does it get any better?
Serious question, why do people buy games like this? I'm all for buying DLC if it's quality (Horizon's DLC has been great!) but this lootbox nonsense....I just don't get why people continue to support this, especially in this case where it seems to be a core component of the game not just skins.
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It's actually completely relevant. Wth do you mean it's irrelevant?
He's ignored all the daily / weelky and other challenges which dish out a considerable amount of credits.
But even with that said, for people that give a toss about it all, that's not good at all. A headline like that should hopefully get picked up and a change is made.
But even with that said, for people that give a toss about it all, that's not good at all. A headline like that should hopefully get picked up and a change is made.
For you to get any Star Card maxed out takes a lot of time. An upgrade from Rare to Epic is 480 scrap. With an estimated 50 scrap per loot box that puts the playtime cost at like a dozen hours or more -- it'd take about 10 crates' worth of scrap (maybe $10-15 worth of cash if you just bought them). That alone is more daunting to me than some bloated estimate of how long it would take to get everything.
It's kinda funny that people thought DICE was doing them a favor by removing Epic Star Cards from the Loot Crates......all that does is force you into a Scrap grind, since you will never be able to get an Epic card by random happenstance. I expect the game's economy will see a pretty huge overhaul in the months ahead though.
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Ohh yea trust me I agree with you. Just was pointing out that Battlefront 2 and tcgs are both pay to win systems. Battlefront 2 is the most aggressive, disgusting and predatory pay to win f2p microtransaction $60 game I've ever seen.
The majority of the people want pretty graphics, want to play games with their favourite franchises, want to pay as little as possible and are ok with loot boxes.
It's not some mystery. Publishers research this all the time.
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So does this include like credits you get from challenges? I honestly think this is the kind of thing that might cause the crash of the AAA gaming industry. I mean I'm a huge fan of Star Wars but Jesus. There is a probably a good game underneath allthe bullshit but the progression system ruins the game. It's simply not worth it. At most I might rent the game to play the campaign but that's it. God, just fuck EA. How do you have the Star Wars licence for like 5 years now and the only thing to show for it is two mediocre Battlefront games. I mean how the fuck do you fuck up Battlefront. Battlefront 2 from 2005 is still the best Battlefront game. Can I just buy an HD remaster of that or something. Please. There hasn't been a good Star Wars game since KOTOR 2 and maybe the first Force Awakens. Bahhh. This is bullshit
Yup, im with this guy.
I play many online games that i havent unlocked everything on and still managed to enjoy them thourghly. Some of them would also take many hours to completely unlock all the content such as GTA and Ultimate team.
I wont be purchasing BF2, but im not outraged by this at all.
If it was only cosmetics, sure. But these are completely different chatacters and don't some of the collectables affect gameplay as well?
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I can't believe through reading this thread that people are defending this shit or using "you don't have to/aren't supposed to unlock everything" as a rebuttal. If that's what you all took from this we truly are royaly fucked.
At this point I think the game should be free and you get $60 worth of crates if you buy it. It's ridiculous that that terrible solution would be better for the customer than the sh*t we have now.
We are at a point where you would almost prefer Online and Season Passes. Think about that!
We are at a point where you would almost prefer Online and Season Passes. Think about that!
Honestly this is just absurd and a blatant push by EA to make you cave and spend on the loot boxes.
I've learnt to grow and not be so against microtransactions over the years, they can be great for us and publishers when done right.
But anyone saying these f2p mechanics in BF II are fair and good for us is living in cuckoo land; imo even with the promise of free dlc (gated high anyway?)
From the poor amount of credits received for matches, the high trooper crate price, gating of some heroes, the RNG nature of ALL your progression; it's been a long time I've been put off such a good game so bad. I mean I don't drop £40-55 to be in place for such experiences personally.
It's not impossible to enjoy this game obviously, but it's clear to me EA have fully jumped the shark in their quest to "galaxy of heroes" every AAA game they make.
I've learnt to grow and not be so against microtransactions over the years, they can be great for us and publishers when done right.
But anyone saying these f2p mechanics in BF II are fair and good for us is living in cuckoo land; imo even with the promise of free dlc (gated high anyway?)
From the poor amount of credits received for matches, the high trooper crate price, gating of some heroes, the RNG nature of ALL your progression; it's been a long time I've been put off such a good game so bad. I mean I don't drop £40-55 to be in place for such experiences personally.
It's not impossible to enjoy this game obviously, but it's clear to me EA have fully jumped the shark in their quest to "galaxy of heroes" every AAA game they make.
The truth is they literally do not care that they're helping spread these predatory monetization schemes
Gamers have rarely ever been willing to stand up to anything, even stuff they did happen to care about
All you have to do is throw a paywall in front of something they used to get for free and that will gladly pay it without a fuss, cuz I mean, what are they going to do? Go without? Yea right, they'll pay with a smile
They're some of the limpest and most unprincipled consumers that currently exist
Not only will they ignore these practises, systems that actively make the game worse in order to funnel more money into the publishers pockets, but they will actually go out of their way to DEFEND them, defending systems that actively make the game worse, defending the holding hostage of content, defending the monopolization of the players time and money
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Have anyone looked closer at the numbers in the article? I see that theres a lot of assumptions mentioned there. Is this a best or worse case senario, or just a random example that can occur if the assumed conditions happends?
Any source to that the game is so unbalanced that getting upgrades means that you're getting destroyed?
It begins to be irrelevant when the sum total of all the paid content totals up to a spend that is hundreds and hundreds of dollars. All the champions in LoL probably cost like $600-$700 in total. At that point, what does it really matter if the game is free or not? $60 is a drop in the bucket, comparatively. "But it's free" just seems like a flimsy excuse.