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Ok how does Vergil even know that Eva just wanted to save Dante?

For real now... What's his problem? He survived after all but how?
Your guess is as good as mine. :/
I still have a hard time with Vergil's logic of Eva abandoning him.
The attack came out of the blue. Dante and Eva were in the house. It seems, he already hid under the bed when she came and put him in the closet. Both didn''t know where Vergil was at the moment. She rushed of to search for him and was quickly killed. (So now Dante could be angry at Vergil for being the reason Eva got killed? ^^)
Maybe Vergil was outside playing? Demons came and chased him away? He got lost during his escape from them?
We have no idea. On the other hand, Vergil has no idea either. He can't know that Eva hid Dante, he wasn't there. Why is he sure, she didn't come for him?
Next is his thought of them being switched. Would that really make such a difference?
In the original story, where he was captured and turned into Nelo for sure. But with DMC3? They both came out of it alive and spend the next years on the run.
The prequel novel states Vergil didn't hide his identity, so Mundus found him sooner and sent demons, Vergil defeated. Later he did the same with Tony, and with them destroyed was sure, it's Dante.
Where is the big difference why he envys his brother?
The attack scene is quite short and doesn't tell much. Isn't it a bit surprising they didn't find Dante in the closet? The house was set on fire as well. Did he just stay in there until the demons left?
So regarding V... When he reaches his old home with Nero, he starts to tell him about it. He says he just remembered, but I'm not sure if that's not just an act.
He says, the town was attacked before. "In fact I was playing right here". And I assume, he really means, he was playing there when the demons came. When he points to the house you can see, how far away it was. No wonder Eva had no idea were he was and no chance of finding him.
Makes his claim even more strange of being abandoned.
 

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Yeah makes no sense even more if he survived after all

If he would have been captured and tortured or something OK but nothing
 

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God, I hate fighting Furies on SoS and above. Any advice on how to deal with these bastards as Dante? For some reason V has no trouble with them but I'm a mess trying to take them down with Dante.
 
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God, I hate fighting Furies on SoS and above. Any advice on how to deal with these bastards as Dante? For some reason V has no trouble with them but I'm a mess trying to take them down with Dante.
Rose is sick as hell vs them

I got loads of strats to fuck these guys up if you really want them,but i recommend just going into the void and seeing what you can come up with. Their moves may seem fast, but they have smart tells, no BS!
 

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God, I hate fighting Furies on SoS and above. Any advice on how to deal with these bastards as Dante? For some reason V has no trouble with them but I'm a mess trying to take them down with Dante.
DT gives you more active frames in general for parrying them I think; Balrog in punch mode or Cerberus in normal mode are both fairly effective for that IMO. Balrog is really really useful for me as far as its toolkit is concerned; lots of "safe" moves in its moveset for evasion *or* parrying *or* juggling.

Furies make me really happy because they're a great adaptation of the DmC Drakevac archetype into mainline DMC. Even though yes, they take a *lot* more concentration than even most other tougher enemies to take on, IMO (and they've certainly frustrated me many times).
 

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DT gives you more active frames in general for parrying them I think; Balrog in punch mode or Cerberus in normal mode are both fairly effective for that IMO. Balrog is really really useful for me as far as its toolkit is concerned; lots of "safe" moves in its moveset for evasion *or* parrying *or* juggling.

Furies make me really happy because they're a great adaptation of the DmC Drakevac archetype into mainline DMC. Even though yes, they take a *lot* more concentration than even most other tougher enemies to take on, IMO (and they've certainly frustrated me many times).
THAT'S what they remind me of - the one good enemy from DmC. I was wondering why the design seemed so familiar.
 

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You sure Urizen isn’t vergil? Because in Urizens final encounter he calls him brother and repeats Vergil’s verbal garbage about more powa. During the fight Urizen even asks Dante how he got so strong.
V and Urizen are both Vergil. Just two extremes of him.
-V is the human side, the one who likes poetry, has empathy, can self reflect and admit where he went wrong. He's the compassionate human side almost to a fault "What evil lurks, I must destroy."
-Urizen is the demon side that craves power more than anything else, without even knowing why, and hates Dante. "I need power."
 

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V and Urizen are both Vergil. Just two extremes of him.
-V is the human side, the one who likes poetry, has empathy, can self reflect and admit where he went wrong. He's the compassionate human side almost to a fault "What evil lurks, I must destroy."
-Urizen is the demon side that craves power more than anything else, without even knowing why, and hates Dante. "I need power."
For a little while I actually kind of felt like V was a ploy to get Dante and Nero on his side, but I realized after a while that he wouldn't need to keep that facade up when the other two aren't around and still talks about doing good things when it's just him and the familiars.

I'm still not a hundred percent sure how genuine V actually is (Vergil is still a dick, after all), but on a replay it does seem like he's only lying to them about his true identity. Of course, him stubbornly re-merging with Urizen complicates that, but I'm not entirely sure why Dante is so opposed to that happening either.
 

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For a little while I actually kind of felt like V was a ploy to get Dante and Nero on his side, but I realized after a while that he wouldn't need to keep that facade up when the other two aren't around and still talks about doing good things when it's just him and the familiars.

I'm still not a hundred percent sure how genuine V actually is (Vergil is still a dick, after all), but on a replay it does seem like he's only lying to them about his true identity. Of course, him stubbornly re-merging with Urizen complicates that, but I'm not entirely sure why Dante is so opposed to that happening either.
I see it as he's 100% genuine but at the same time has an innate desire to return to what he once was since he literally begged Nero to help him.
 

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You sure Urizen isn’t vergil? Because in Urizens final encounter he calls him brother and repeats Vergil’s verbal garbage about more powa. During the fight Urizen even asks Dante how he got so strong.
There are similarities between URizen and V ofc , thats why even at the end V says "we are bound by that one feeling". Urizen also says "I have no recollection of this tale" when Dante talks about their past. What am saying is that Vergil is a being that consists of both V and Urizen. So a decision V or Urizen take is not a decision Vergil might do since the other half would stop them.
 

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I see it as he's 100% genuine but at the same time has an innate desire to return to what he once was since he literally begged Nero to help him.
Yeah, that's fair. And he thanked Nero for helping him after being reunited, so his experiences as V are certainly not lost on the reunited version. I guess this really is the beginning of his Vegetafication.
 

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When your evil but your son snap you out of it. Like what do you do after that? In other media you just kill your dad.

 

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Given the choice to use different face models for Vergil and Dante, it's interesting to compare them with the swapped hairstyles - you'd definitely have needed to flatten it down similar to Sparda's hair to make it work if they were both using Dante's model.


Good lord Dante with Vergil hair looks great. Why in Sparda's name did they give TWIN brother Vergil a different face? Would've saved some money too.
 

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I feel like Vergil isn't truly "Evil" if that makes any sense. He seems like the Vegeta of the series.

For a little while I actually kind of felt like V was a ploy to get Dante and Nero on his side, but I realized after a while that he wouldn't need to keep that facade up when the other two aren't around and still talks about doing good things when it's just him and the familiars.

I'm still not a hundred percent sure how genuine V actually is (Vergil is still a dick, after all), but on a replay it does seem like he's only lying to them about his true identity. Of course, him stubbornly re-merging with Urizen complicates that, but I'm not entirely sure why Dante is so opposed to that happening either.
Yea what did V mean by "When evil lurks I must destroy" ? seemed kinda random for him.
 

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Vergil been in various states of undeath for 30+ years
Makes sense he'd look a bit different from his brother who hasn't
 

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So do you think Nero’s mom would have any sort of importance or we just supposed to buy that stick up his ass Vergil was just a horny teenager?
 

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Maybe seeing a Nelo Angelo looking enemy caused a harsh reaction?
Was my guess, on a replay. Since Griffon confirmed that he and the other two familiars were representatives of Vergil's trauma from when he was Angelo, it makes sense that V would react quite strongly to seeing things that remind him of that time in his life.

Was she half demon or full demon ? Hard time believing Vergil with a Human given his hate towards them.
If anything, V pretty much proves that Vergil could have feasibly had a rare "moment of weakness", such that he could have allowed himself to at least have a night of passion, if not much else.

Maybe he recited some poetry to her, and that's what got the vickies to drop.
 

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Can I just say that the main menu scene of Dante and Vergil awkwardly sitting in silence in the van is absolutely hilarious.
 

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DT gives you more active frames in general for parrying them I think; Balrog in punch mode or Cerberus in normal mode are both fairly effective for that IMO. Balrog is really really useful for me as far as its toolkit is concerned; lots of "safe" moves in its moveset for evasion *or* parrying *or* juggling.

Furies make me really happy because they're a great adaptation of the DmC Drakevac archetype into mainline DMC. Even though yes, they take a *lot* more concentration than even most other tougher enemies to take on, IMO (and they've certainly frustrated me many times).
Yeah, instantly thought of Drekavac and the Dreamrunners from DmC, but with a bit less downtime.

To be fair, it's also kind of similar to Blitz, but definitely more Drekavac.
 

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I think for people that did care for the story of the whole series dmc5 can only be described as a disappointment (at least in that regard).

I find it really baffling that seemingly no one at the studio really cared enough to craft a good and coherent story.

Since some people detailed their fanfic.. Here is my. ^^

Virgil makes it out of hell somehow... Completely wasted and feeling that his power is failing him. He is convinced that he needs the Yamato to stimulate his demonic power to regenerate and seeks out Nero. He takes what he considers rightfully his and teleports away. But the Yamato doesn't provide the aid he was searching for. He is convinced of his death and in a prideful way wants to end his life in the one place he once called home. He stabs himself (because... It is really out of nowhere that he assumes that Yamato is capable of such feat) and gets split.

The actions of the game transpire. (Maybe you don't even play directly as v).
Dante and Nero don't make it in time to prevent the fruit being eaten. V however is successful in semi merging with urizien and it is revealed that he became a singular being and can exist even with Virgil making it back (alternatively the Virgil part of him gets discarded during the transformation process and v is able to fusion back). He gets away and now you have Nero, Virgil and dante working together to stop the new threat. You would have a ton of opportunities for funny scenes.... Especially with dante toying with Virgil about the whole father son thing and Nero being left in the dark. (aka. "we have to split up... You two go together")

In the end they prevail thanks to Nero awakening with the help of Virgil. Virgil challenges dante to a last fight (but not to the death... But to settle it before putting his past life to rest).

You as a player get to choose which site you play as. With Nero being a secret ending and him besting both.

I just think long-time fans really just wanted good fan service and a good feel treatment for the characters.... Well at least that is what I wanted.
 
If anything, V pretty much proves that Vergil could have feasibly had a rare "moment of weakness", such that he could have allowed himself to at least have a night of passion, if not much else.

Maybe he recited some poetry to her, and that's what got the vickies to drop.
There is still the possibility she's been a whore and he was the one being approached.
Also he can't hold his liquor. Throw him a drink and hop in on the fun.
 

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Was my guess, on a replay. Since Griffon confirmed that he and the other two familiars were representatives of Vergil's trauma from when he was Angelo, it makes sense that V would react quite strongly to seeing things that remind him of that time in his life.



If anything, V pretty much proves that Vergil could have feasibly had a rare "moment of weakness", such that he could have allowed himself to at least have a night of passion, if not much else.

Maybe he recited some poetry to her, and that's what got the vickies to drop.
As much as I loved V's familiars, their sacrifice would have had more impact if there was some interaction with Vergil. As much as the game tells us that they represent his nightmares as Nelo Angelo, but we don't really see it in Vergil, so in the end, it feels like their sacrifice didn't have the pathos it deserved.

Also the idea that Vergil would recite Blake's poetry from memory opens up fun possibilities, it would be fun if they developed that in the future, maybe the artbook or a novel?
There is still the possibility she's been a whore and he was the one being approached.
Also he can't hold his liquor. Throw him a drink and hop in on the fun.
My very serious headcanon says that Nero's mom uterus just exploded when she saw Vergil in Fortuna.
 

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Im so sad we wont see V and Griffin again, I loved them, such great additions to the franchise and already gone :(
 

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Okay. I suck and am pretty stuck on SoS Vergil, but I'm never going to use a gold orb.

The time it takes to skip the option, have the game save, have Dante fall over, pan up, then select "retry", then finally load in the fight is adding way up. It's unbelievably annoying with the amount of downtime here. This should be Tony Hawk Pro Skater levels of speed on these retries.
 

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Ok how does Vergil even know that Eva just wanted to save Dante?

For real now... What's his problem? He survived after all but how?
Im just done with chapter 17 and wanted to driveby post to say Vergil is a huuuuuuge bitch baby LMAO. Probably one of the biggest video game wankers out there. All that bloodshed because of some mommy issues. Legit lmao
 

Okabe

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Good lord Dante with Vergil hair looks great. Why in Sparda's name did they give TWIN brother Vergil a different face? Would've saved some money too.
Twins look mildly to pretty different as they get older. Ears nose and forehead change shape as you get older so they won't look 100% identical compared to DMC3
 
I came across the scene again, where Trish explains the tree to Dante. "V told me everything" And Dante's face is all: Aha, he did, huuuuh?
Man, the fucker knows from the very beginning. But why are all the interactions between him and V so... clunky then? :/

My very serious headcanon says that Nero's mom uterus just exploded when she saw Vergil in Fortuna.
She's full virgin Maria style. Got pregnant from his hot sexy aura just passing by. Behold of the true power of a son of Sparda!
Or maybe that's another power they can give Yamato?

Btw.... Does it y'all bother as much as me putting "the" in front of the sword's names? The Sparda. The Rebellion. The Yamato. I can't help but hate it.
And if I'm not mistaken, they never did it before. That was a thing DmC made me cringe over first.
 

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Speaking of the Sparda sword, while I like some of the new effects it has (the messiness of it opening into scythe form in particular), I'm not sure if the toothy, more teratoma-like direction really works for the blobby flesh part compared to the more dark and leathery look the meat had before, which contrasted better against the steel - it's more Resident Evil than Silent Hill, if that makes sense. Kind of like swinging around a large uncooked steak, with less of a defined silhouette.
 

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Any advice on how to deal with these bastards as Dante?
Elajjaz was trying to find a way to deal with them on DMD on stream and someone in chat found a way 1 kill em in one combo

Deflect their attack
Cerberus bck fwd attack (the ice shield around you) works really well against all attacks, when the attack gets deflected jump out of the ice shield

Quickly get next to him

In Swordmaster Balrog punch mode:
fwd style, jump, air attack attack, air style, fwd style, jump , air attack attack, air style, back style

Minimum Dragon, jump, Feather combo, Cruiser Dive, Minimum Dragon, jump Feather Combo, Cruiser Dive, Real Impact

Kills them in one combo
 

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The way the final boss fight was being built up to, I really thought it was going to be a 1v1v1 between D, V, and Nee, but the hype from that would have been too much. It already reached dangerously high enough levels as is.