[UNMARKED SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III - Spoiler Thread

Oct 31, 2017
185
London
I just finished the game, without ever been into KH. I did watch a 3 hour video to give me an idea of what I'm in for, which helped a lot. I think there's few things now I have questions about, but less than I thought there would be.

However, I have a big problem with Kairi. Has she always been this useless? Here I thought the trope has died, but hey, it's 2019 and I'm still seeing this bs being done? It's almost as if they were about to give her some purpose and actual power, just to be kidnapped and killed for the sake of character progression.

Also, are all the KH games this easy? It felt a bit like a faceroll. It got really frustrating at the end with Org XIII - 1min battle, 7min cutscene. I just wanted more of these cutscenes to be in game or some interaction, it just got a bit frustrating. :(
It makes very little sense to me why the game would be so easy, as the main target audience seems to be the hardcore fans of the franchise, so it's not like you're trying to sell it to kids who are into Disney, because let's be real - they'll most likely hate it.
 
I just finished the game, without ever been into KH. I did watch a 3 hour video to give me an idea of what I'm in for, which helped a lot. I think there's few things now I have questions about, but less than I thought there would be.

However, I have a big problem with Kairi. Has she always been this useless? Here I thought the trope has died, but hey, it's 2019 and I'm still seeing this bs being done? It's almost as if they were about to give her some purpose and actual power, just to be kidnapped and killed for the sake of character progression.

Also, are all the KH games this easy? It felt a bit like a faceroll. It got really frustrating at the end with Org XIII - 1min battle, 7min cutscene. I just wanted more of these cutscenes to be in game or some interaction, it just got a bit frustrating. :(
It makes very little sense to me why the game would be so easy, as the main target audience seems to be the hardcore fans of the franchise, so it's not like you're trying to sell it to kids who are into Disney, because let's be real - they'll most likely hate it.
Yes, Kairi was always a plot device to drive Sora.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,812
Costa Rica
I just finished the game, without ever been into KH. I did watch a 3 hour video to give me an idea of what I'm in for, which helped a lot. I think there's few things now I have questions about, but less than I thought there would be.

However, I have a big problem with Kairi. Has she always been this useless? Here I thought the trope has died, but hey, it's 2019 and I'm still seeing this bs being done? It's almost as if they were about to give her some purpose and actual power, just to be kidnapped and killed for the sake of character progression.

Also, are all the KH games this easy? It felt a bit like a faceroll. It got really frustrating at the end with Org XIII - 1min battle, 7min cutscene. I just wanted more of these cutscenes to be in game or some interaction, it just got a bit frustrating. :(
It makes very little sense to me why the game would be so easy, as the main target audience seems to be the hardcore fans of the franchise, so it's not like you're trying to sell it to kids who are into Disney, because let's be real - they'll most likely hate it.
KHII and KHlII both have difficulty issues with its base versions. Hopefully III gets a final mix version.

DDD was kicking my ass on proud just last week so no. They're usually not this easy.
 
I was actually pleasantly surprised by the ending. I was expecting a LOT more anime bullshit than we got.

That said, Master Xeanhort just kind of realizing he lost and then passing into the light with his childhood friend was some hot bullshit. Dude did a lot of terrible things to a lot of people that needs to be answered for.
What did you expect? It was obvious to me that MX would turn out good in the end and that everything would be solved by the power of the friendship. MX was never bad, he just had a twisted way of seeing things.
Plus, nobody really dies in KH.
 

Aly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,410
What did you expect? It was obvious to me that MX would turn out good in the end and that everything would be solved by the power of the friendship. MX was never bad, he just had a twisted way of seeing things.
Plus, nobody really dies in KH.
Well I mean aren't the people in Final World dead? Also, Eraqus and MX are dead now surely?
 
Oct 27, 2017
371
What did you expect? It was obvious to me that MX would turn out good in the end and that everything would be solved by the power of the friendship. MX was never bad, he just had a twisted way of seeing things.
Plus, nobody really dies in KH.
lol wut.

How was that "obvious" to you?
MX was straight up moustache twirling evil in BBS, and DDD. His "redemption" here was nonsensical.
 
Nov 23, 2017
410
I marked out like a wrestling fan when I saw Shibuya in the epilogue. F me sideways. I love all the Nomura BS. I love it so much. Insert Verum Rex into my veins. Love them Versus XIII feels.
 
lol wut.

How was that "obvious" to you?
MX was straight up moustache twirling evil in BBS, and DDD. His "redemption" here was nonsensical.
Because every single thing in KH is solved by the power of friendship and because Sora was always able to connect to people's hearts.
I've been saying for years to my friends that MX would turn out good in the end, simply because that is how KH goes.
You can bet that Maleficent will also turn out good in the end.
 
May 19, 2018
253
I just finished the game, without ever been into KH. I did watch a 3 hour video to give me an idea of what I'm in for, which helped a lot. I think there's few things now I have questions about, but less than I thought there would be.

However, I have a big problem with Kairi. Has she always been this useless? Here I thought the trope has died, but hey, it's 2019 and I'm still seeing this bs being done? It's almost as if they were about to give her some purpose and actual power, just to be kidnapped and killed for the sake of character progression.

Also, are all the KH games this easy? It felt a bit like a faceroll. It got really frustrating at the end with Org XIII - 1min battle, 7min cutscene. I just wanted more of these cutscenes to be in game or some interaction, it just got a bit frustrating. :(
It makes very little sense to me why the game would be so easy, as the main target audience seems to be the hardcore fans of the franchise, so it's not like you're trying to sell it to kids who are into Disney, because let's be real - they'll most likely hate it.
Did you play on proud or normal? Because I wouldn't really call the last fights you describe as 'easy'.
 
Well I mean aren't the people in Final World dead? Also, Eraqus and MX are dead now surely?
They might be dead, but they surely can come back if nomura wants them too. But I don't really think they'll comeback because their arcs are definitely over, but I do believe that the dandelion people, mainly Strelitzia will come back. I even believe that she is the girl mentioned in the game and the third heart inside Sora.
 

Aly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,410
They might be dead, but they surely can come back if nomura wants them too. But I don't really think they'll comeback because their arcs are definitely over, but I do believe that the dandelion people, mainly Strelitzia will come back. I even believe that she is the girl mentioned in the game and the third heart inside Sora.
It def feels like Strelitzia was the star in The Final World, but wasn't the 3rd heart Xion?
 
Oct 30, 2017
379
They might be dead, but they surely can come back if nomura wants them too. But I don't really think they'll comeback because their arcs are definitely over, but I do believe that the dandelion people, mainly Strelitzia will come back. I even believe that she is the girl mentioned in the game and the third heart inside Sora.
That's exactly why I think KH3 ended the MX sage with the best way possible, because honestly Nomura can just pull an excuse out of his ass and bring
back anyone he wants, but now with MX accepting his defaut it's way more fitting because he has no reason to really come back anymore.
He tried but he lost in the "Chess game"
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,774
Canada
Finally finished it. You guys weren't kidding about Kairi, holy shit. "This time I'll protect you." She then proceeds to not be able to even get her keyblade out when Terranort is fucking everyone up, gets yeeted out of her group fight, and then gets fridged.
To be fair, she is the reason everyone was still tethered to the Realm of Light and how Sora was able to save everyone in the abyss.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,879
Because every single thing in KH is solved by the power of friendship and because Sora was always able to connect to people's hearts.
I've been saying for years to my friends that MX would turn out good in the end, simply because that is how KH goes.
You can bet that Maleficent will also turn out good in the end.
Xehanort wasn't good, though. He had a somewhat altruistic end goal, sure, but he still wanted to end all life everywhere to accomplish that. That wasn't good, it wasn't noble, and Sora rightly calls him out as not being one who should be allowed to make that choice for the universe.
 
Xehanort wasn't good, though. He had a somewhat altruistic end goal, sure, but he still wanted to end all life everywhere to accomplish that. That wasn't good, it wasn't noble, and Sora rightly calls him out as not being one who should be allowed to make that choice for the universe.
I agree he wasn't good, but he wasn't bad either, he had twisted morals, just like Thanos. His view of the world was completely distorted. But I believe that to him, this was all just a game between him and Eraqus, one he lost in the end.
 
Jan 20, 2019
122
I just finished the game, without ever been into KH. I did watch a 3 hour video to give me an idea of what I'm in for, which helped a lot. I think there's few things now I have questions about, but less than I thought there would be.

However, I have a big problem with Kairi. Has she always been this useless? Here I thought the trope has died, but hey, it's 2019 and I'm still seeing this bs being done? It's almost as if they were about to give her some purpose and actual power, just to be kidnapped and killed for the sake of character progression.

Also, are all the KH games this easy? It felt a bit like a faceroll. It got really frustrating at the end with Org XIII - 1min battle, 7min cutscene. I just wanted more of these cutscenes to be in game or some interaction, it just got a bit frustrating. :(
It makes very little sense to me why the game would be so easy, as the main target audience seems to be the hardcore fans of the franchise, so it's not like you're trying to sell it to kids who are into Disney, because let's be real - they'll most likely hate it.
ahhh a latecomer! :o can i ask you why is it you decided to start now? what was it that drew you in to the game?

i’m super interested in all the posts i’ve been seeing people make on reddit and other places about this being their first title and i always wanna ask what the draw was for them lol. i myself started with 2 so it kinda makes me feel like we’re all one big cute club uwu
 
Oct 25, 2017
519
Master Xehanort in KH3 is not the same character as in BBS and DDD. But I liked his expanded backstory: boy from the islands who gets abducted to a foreign world to train and become a keyblade master, but no matter how hard he tries it will be his rival friend who inherits the legacy because of his bloodline; and then his attraction to darkness is used as a way to bring back the MoM in an almost cult-like way by Luxu.

They should have kept that, but not retcon that the whole thing about Xehanort is that even if he was once a good person, his curiosity made him wander too deep into darkness and changed him to no return. He appreciated that darkness, so the "I discovered that darkness was a plague that had to be cleansed" stuff just isn't coherent.
 

Aly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,410
Thinking more on the Xehanort situation, I think we can say that Ansem SoD and Xemnas were distinct in personality, regrets, and goals despite being technically from the same guy. A lot of that probably has to be because of having part of Terra in them, especially for Xemnas but I find it interesting nonetheless.
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,902
Greece
This is one of those things where it's clear that Nomura retconned aspects of KH1, where the Kingdom Hearts of KH1 wasn't a true KH or Ansem SoD were a participant of a grander master plan that involves time-traveling. Or how Ansem's guardian shadow thingy had no hint of being Terra.

And back when Keyblades were like, a super exclusive club.
Keyblades being retconned into something more normal was a good retcon compared to the others though. I mean when its obvious multiple people can wield one like Riku, it makes more sense for the actual Keyblade they can wield to be special. Sucks that they went nowhere with the Kingdom Keys and the actual χblade having a connection.
I know it doesn't make sense, but I can't shake the feeling we're not done with Young Xehanort. I'd be perfectly fine with it too. He's infinitely more charasmatic than MX.
Chess YX or Destiny Island YX? Cause I want Chess YX to come back, seems like a cool dude. Destiny Island YX is an asshole and deserves all the hate in the world.

Thinking more on the Xehanort situation, I think we can say that Ansem SoD and Xemnas were distinct in personality, regrets, and goals despite being technically from the same guy. A lot of that probably has to be because of having part of Terra in them, especially for Xemnas but I find it interesting nonetheless.
Well yeah. Xemnas grew his own heart as nobodies are confirmed to do so, and Ansem SoD got a human body and sentience despite being a heartless because he has Terra's heart. SoD is basically Terra but as a being of darkness, and further more he also gains additional feelings after becoming Dark Riku as well. Dude is a triple hearted bag of dicks.
 

Nightengale

On Extended Leave
Moderator
Oct 26, 2017
1,547
Malaysia
To be fair, she is the reason everyone was still tethered to the Realm of Light and how Sora was able to save everyone in the abyss.
This is one of those things where Nomura probably felt like it's sufficient enough a checkbox to say "ok, this showcases Kairi's strength, not as a warrior, but as Sora's beacon of light", but even if I accept that premise, the execution was really weak.

IMO, the best way to show that... was to make Kairi and Sora playable during the entire Final World + Lich sequence instead of just having Kairi appear at the end, and have Sora comment it was Kairi that sustained him during his Power of Waking power trip. Or have the Kairi killing sequence happen because Kairi shielded Sora from a fatal attack from MX or something.
 

Aly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,410
Chess YX or Destiny Island YX? Cause I want Chess YX to come back, seems like a cool dude. Destiny Island YX is an asshole and deserves all the hate in the world.


Well yeah. Xemnas grew his own heart as nobodies are confirmed to do so, and Ansem SoD got a human body and sentience despite being a heartless because he has Terra's heart. SoD is basically Terra but as a being of darkness, and further more he also gains additional feelings after becoming Dark Riku as well. Dude is a triple hearted bag of dicks.
I would take both Chess YX and Destiny Island YX back. Destiny Island YX is a douchebag which is why I like him.

Also that kinda stuff actually makes me feel bad about Ansem SoD and Xemnas being gone. Like yeah they were bad guys but still kinda of a tragic situation.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,774
Canada
This is one of those things where Nomura probably felt like it's sufficient enough a checkbox to say "ok, this showcases Kairi's strength, not as a warrior, but as Sora's beacon of light", but even if I accept that premise, the execution was really weak.

IMO, the best way to show that... was to make Kairi and Sora playable during the entire Final World + Lich sequence instead of just having Kairi appear at the end, and have Sora comment it was Kairi that sustained him during his Power of Waking power trip. Or have the Kairi killing sequence happen because Kairi shielded Sora from a fatal attack from MX or something.
Yeah, I agree. I'm just saying she did at least do one thing before getting damsel'd and fridged.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,733
I need help understanding a plot point, who'da thunk it for a KH game right?

AnsemSoD, Xemnas and Co. are all time travelled hearts from the past put into replicas right? What time are they from? Post destruction in KH1 and 2 or some other point during the previous games? Do they know they have already been beaten and do they go back to that time once they die in KH3? (else how could the previous games have happened?)

I hate that they added time travel to this story as if it wasn't hard enough to follow
The time travellers will forget everything they experience in the future and go back to the past.

The time travel is just a way to have a few forms of Xehanort appear temporarily for the finale. There isn't all that much more to it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,812
Costa Rica
I agree he wasn't good, but he wasn't bad either, he had twisted morals, just like Thanos. His view of the world was completely distorted. But I believe that to him, this was all just a game between him and Eraqus, one he lost in the end.
He was a fucking Psychopath.

Only Eraqus forgives him because Eraqus is Luke Skywalker
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,879
Problem is how they frame his exit, he gets a force ghost moment for absolutely no reason. He's given a heroic death even though he's done nothing to earn it.
It's not really a heroic death as much as a pitiful old man desperately trying to tell a bunch of kids that he can make total omnicide work until his friend is like "nah dude, you lost, give it up" and he takes the L as graciously as he can.

The force ghost moment is more a reflection of who he used to be.
 
Oct 25, 2017
578
Given that there wasn't anything of the sort online yet, I decided to doup a spreadsheet/list of places to go to farm Stat Boost items (Strength/Defence/Magic/AP).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IDFEqPlHLAC3iU0J7Ifiu749iPz2BHXZ6geNldPUj2I/edit?usp=sharing

Detailed stats are there, but essentially all you need to know:

Arendelle:
Frost Dragons
Large Body
Battlegate 9

Toy Box:
Battlegate 4
Battlegate 5

Carribean:
Battlegate 10

Corona:
Battlegate 6

Monstropolis:
Turtletoad

San Fransokyo:
Battlegate 12

Optimized as best I can, you only need to go to 6 worlds and grind these spots for your Stat boosters. (Also, Battlegate 9 is like, the best XP Grinding spot in the game, once you have Ultima Weapon!)

Good luck!
 
Master Xehanort in KH3 is not the same character as in BBS and DDD. But I liked his expanded backstory: boy from the islands who gets abducted to a foreign world to train and become a keyblade master, but no matter how hard he tries it will be his rival friend who inherits the legacy because of his bloodline; and then his attraction to darkness is used as a way to bring back the MoM in an almost cult-like way by Luxu.

They should have kept that, but not retcon that the whole thing about Xehanort is that even if he was once a good person, his curiosity made him wander too deep into darkness and changed him to no return. He appreciated that darkness, so the "I discovered that darkness was a plague that had to be cleansed" stuff just isn't coherent.
Totally agree with this. He went 180 on this. In BBS and DDD he was like "darkness is good and is power" and in 3 he is like "people are weak, they draw darkness to the world, this is bad so I need to destroy the world, recreate it and lead it to banish darkness". He gives no hint he wanted to do this, it came out of nowhere.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,103
Orlando, FL
It's not really a heroic death as much as a pitiful old man desperately trying to tell a bunch of kids that he can make total omnicide work until his friend is like "nah dude, you lost, give it up" and he takes the L as graciously as he can.

The force ghost moment is more a reflection of who he used to be.
They say that, but my issue is how it's portrayed. He flies up to heart heaven alongside Eraqus like a good dude. Regardless of what the dialogue is, he gets a moment where he looks like a good guy when the other darknesses faded away in a much different way.
 
Oct 26, 2017
262
I just noticed that the thing about Sora's potential hurting hasn't been brought up properly.
A huge part of Coded was about that Sora might have to face a huge amount of hurting (by experiencing the suffering of all these that are connected to him). This was briefly mentioned in Twillight Town but afterwards nothing came out of this. Or did I miss something?
After Coded I expected that the hearts and connections inside of Sora will be awakened and he then will experience an overload of suffering.
 
Last edited:

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,879
They say that, but my issue is how it's portrayed. He flies up to heart heaven alongside Eraqus like a good dude. Regardless of what the dialogue is, he gets a moment where he looks like a good guy when the other darknesses faded away in a much different way.
Everyone's heart rises up to Kingdom Hearts when they die. Even villains. The difference is that none of the other characters who died actually DIED. Nobodies just disappear when they're defeated because they don't technically have hearts in the normal sense of the word.
 
Oct 31, 2017
185
London
ahhh a latecomer! :o can i ask you why is it you decided to start now? what was it that drew you in to the game?

i’m super interested in all the posts i’ve been seeing people make on reddit and other places about this being their first title and i always wanna ask what the draw was for them lol. i myself started with 2 so it kinda makes me feel like we’re all one big cute club uwu
I've always been interested in KH as a franchise, but never really invested the time, so KH3 coming out seemed like the best time to do just that. I've played some of the games, but never finished them or invested myself in the story before, this time around I decided it's time to go all in.
I am a big FF fan and am into Disney/Pixar films, so it seemed like a natural thing for me to like, but now... I'm not so sure to be honest.

I was really put off by the treatment of female characters in the game and how it's overly complicated. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a complex story with time travel, doppelgangers, different worlds and all that. I'm all in for that, but the way KH3 dialogue was written felt like they were purposefully trying to make it seem even more complex than it is. A lot of time was spent explaining simple concepts like love and the power of friendship, while things like someone travelling back in time or someone being possessed or whatever was summed up in a single sentence using as many complex words as they could muster in there. It's just trying too hard a little at times. That's how I felt like anyway. There's many ways to convey a complex story in a simple way and none of them have been used here. More time was spent explaining simple things rather than the complex ones.

Also there's a big difference between characters. Some characters have fantastic arcs, stories, personalities and progression, while others are basically Kairi. Also wish we would've seen more of the other characters, I felt like this game was all about Sora, when some of the other characters are really interesting too, I would've liked to see more of them or played more as them. Also less cinematics, more gameplay, but that's really personal.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,103
Orlando, FL
Everyone's heart rises up to Kingdom Hearts when they die. Even villains. The difference is that none of the other characters who died actually DIED. Nobodies just disappear when they're defeated because they don't technically have hearts in the normal sense of the word.
Right, I get that.

But it's still a bad scene because it acts to absolve him in the framing. He explains his stance, it's bad, he shouldn't be redeemed. But then he just floats away with his buddy.

My issue remains that the other bad guys weren't given such peaceful outs. Xehanort might be the only one actually dead now, but when the fight ends it doesn't seem like he's struggling or hurt or in the process of painfully fading away. He gets to fly away because of rules that Nomura's making up on the fly so it's not like he couldn't have written in some version of KH hell either, since that's way more fitting for him.
 
Right, I get that.

But it's still a bad scene because it acts to absolve him in the framing. He explains his stance, it's bad, he shouldn't be redeemed. But then he just floats away with his buddy.

My issue remains that the other bad guys weren't given such peaceful outs. Xehanort might be the only one actually dead now, but when the fight ends it doesn't seem like he's struggling or hurt or in the process of painfully fading away. He gets to fly away because of rules that Nomura's making up on the fly so it's not like he couldn't have written in some version of KH hell either, since that's way more fitting for him.
Well, everyone (except Xigbar) was redeemed. Marluxia was, Larxene was, Saix was, every single character got redeemed.
Sora's journey was never about revenge, but about saving people. He succeeded in doing it.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,879
Right, I get that.

But it's still a bad scene because it acts to absolve him in the framing. He explains his stance, it's bad, he shouldn't be redeemed. But then he just floats away with his buddy.

My issue remains that the other bad guys weren't given such peaceful outs. Xehanort might be the only one actually dead now, but when the fight ends it doesn't seem like he's struggling or hurt or in the process of painfully fading away. He gets to fly away because of rules that Nomura's making up on the fly so it's not like he couldn't have written in some version of KH hell either, since that's way more fitting for him.
He's struggling a lot, though. That whole scene is meant to make him look pitiful and pathetic. Also, it's not like Eraqus is a hero - the two of them are pathetic old failures who acknowledge their faults and move on together.

Remember, Japan doesn't really believe in Hell in the same sense we do. Cosmology-wise, Kingdom Hearts isn't heaven or hell, it's just Where Hearts Go.