There have been four games between KH2 and KH3
Of those. Only DDD and 358/2 Days didn't have FF characters (And even DDD supplemented them with another franchise in TWEWY)
BBS had Zack, who plays a big role in Olympus
And coded is a KH1 rehash
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[UNMARKED SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III & ReMind DLC- Spoiler Thread
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Of those. Only DDD and 358/2 Days didn't have FF characters (And even DDD supplemented them with another franchise in TWEWY)
BBS had Zack, who plays a big role in Olympus
And coded is a KH1 rehash
Five games even if you're leaving out UX on account of it still being ongoing, because you forgot 0.2.
And BBS literally had a single FF character in one world, which is the sum total of all FF characters post-2. At this point the majority of games feature no FF characters.
No, TWEWY isn't Final Fantasy. But it is another game made by the Chain of Memories team.
And Final Fantasy is so important to Birth by Sleep that they cut Laguna from it.
Yep. 2 is the last time they have any relevance.
And their relevance was basically: This is the cast of this world, like Aladdin and Jazmin in Aggrabah!
TWEWY is just not another game, it's a goddamn masterpiece
I forgot nothing. Cause 0.2 is clearly just KH3.
And it's nice that you just diregard Coded and Re:Coded
And no it's not a majority of games.
KH1
CoM
KH2
Coded(And RE:Coded)
BBS
vs
358
DDD(Which still opts to get another Square series as guests)
KH3(And not even 3 cause Moogles and Cactuar are still good enough apparently
Not at all.
Not at all.
There's a difference between crafting a world focused on Final Fantasy, TWEWY, or other Square Enix properties, and a world that just happens to have a few random Final Fantasy characters in it. As it stands, FF characters haven't been a vital aspect of KH in years, but provide the right context and that could easily change. That context is not present in KH3.
I'm just trynna figure out how xaldin was more relevant in 2 he pops twice
But somebody said it's just fan service would that not be what using square worlds would be? We don't need those characters when we have the org and all the guardians and fortellers right?
Wait, if I remember right didn't Union Cross have an Olympus event where you can fight Sephiroth
No one said that they shouldn't be used or that they can't be used.
What people did say is that, in the context of KH3, it makes more sense for Dilan and Aeleus to get non-speaking cameos than it does to drop a non-speaking Final Fantasy character into the middle of things for no reason. Cloud, Auron, and Seifer's crew all got shoutouts, so they're not entirely ignored, either.
I don't need any Square-Enix cameos to be particularly relevant, just as long as they fit where they're at. Auron was great in KH2 because it plays with the idea of having the character in FFX who was dead all along and literally places them in service of the lord of the dead in a Disney world. Similarly, Zack's BBS cameo plays off the fact that he's generally known as a character central to Cloud's past within FF7 itself, so they play with that by having him in the very same world Cloud was first encountered in, being manipulated by the exact same person that went on to manipulate Cloud in KH1. The TWEWY cast had fuck all to do with Dream Drop Distance's nonsense beyond Neku being manipulated by Young Xehanort early on in Sora's 1st visit, but they worked thematically because TWEWY's whole realground/underground thing along with the theme of trusting your partner made a great parallel to Traverse Town being split in two and Sora and Riku's partnership throughout that game. One of my favorite inclusions in KH3 is a goddamned Einhander boss stuck into the game for no reason other than the fact that it'd be awesome.
And it was awesome. And it was fun. And that's all these cameos ever need to be. Fun fanservice.
And it was awesome. And it was fun. And that's all these cameos ever need to be. Fun fanservice.
Yeah. Pretty sure Cloud is a boss in one mission, too.
Yeah, to be clear, I'd be more than happy to see Final Fantasy cameos return, as long as they weren't detracting from the overall story.
I'd have been fine with them throwing some FF characters in 3, but the story was crowded enough as it was with characters that were more important to the overall plot. But I'd prioritize stuff like giving Dilan and Aeleus some more screen time, beefing up late game stuff with Hayner, Pence and Olette and Ansem the Wise, giving some more content to Roxas/Xion in the final world, etc over throwing some FF characters in for Final Mix. But if there was enough time/resources to do both, then great.
I'd have been fine with them throwing some FF characters in 3, but the story was crowded enough as it was with characters that were more important to the overall plot. But I'd prioritize stuff like giving Dilan and Aeleus some more screen time, beefing up late game stuff with Hayner, Pence and Olette and Ansem the Wise, giving some more content to Roxas/Xion in the final world, etc over throwing some FF characters in for Final Mix. But if there was enough time/resources to do both, then great.
With all of that being said, if there's one Final Fantasy cameo they could've absolutely included in KHIII without feeling forced or taking away from the main plot, they should have absolutely had one of the Dissdia NT summon toys serve as the boss of Toy Box.
Well yeah, that statement was kind of lame since you wanted to lord your history with the series over people who disagree.
We don't actually know how much preproduction any supposed DLC has gone through, or a timetable of when it would be out. We do know the game went gold back in November, so if they weren't working on it concurrently, they've had 3 months so far. If the world featured in the movie is what is in mind, then we know that they at least have the setting and look of the world ready.
Every secret movie in the past has existed in time where DLC wasn't a thing. The movies are teases for what comes next, and if DLC is what's next, then that is what it is potentially a tease for. There are no rules here, we are in an unprecedented period for the series.
The way they've been talking about DLC, it has always sounded like something they'd move on to after the game had gone fold rather than something they've been working on concurrently for 6+ months already. Like last summer and maybe even later, Nomura said they had "some ideas, but nothing has been locked down", when talking about DLC. It didn't really sound like something they were about to move on to at that time. So, at most, they've been working on DLC for maybe 2-3 months at most, I'd reckon.
hi i cannot 👏 handle 👏 this dilan/xaldin disrespect
listen to this beautiful voice. he is the best org member
listen to this beautiful voice. he is the best org member
I wonder what DLC is in the works, critical mode would give me a whole new reason to evenplay KH3 because I already am drained from it. Hoping KH3 gets incredible DLC, I would love to see more synth (list seems like way more could be added), special heartless to return, more data like battles of like the foretellers, and even a small playable section of Shibuya from the secret ending. BBSFM had a playable realm of darkness so I don't see it out of possiblity to get a snippet of KH4 from KH3. Would make no sense to do another 0.2, plus the next KH game will likely be on PS5.
Already wanna try this out. This is taking me back to the good old days of KH2 hacking.
There's only 3:
Roxas
Xion, the heart that has been with Sora almost as long (as Roxas)
Ven, the heart that has been with Sora for much longer
Xaldin and Lexaeus were cool, but Dilan and Aeleus are almost nothing characters by comparison.
They weren't even scientists like the others. They just guarded Ansem's castle/lab. So they probably only became "apprentices" by proxy, because they were hanging around and got curious about the Heartless experiments.
I would not be opposed to seeing them do something (or at least TALK) but Leon, Cloud, Tifa etc. have real story threads already going, and I'd prefer to see those continue.
I also find it funny how, despite going to Destiny Islands several times, Tidus, Selphie and Wakka are just totally forgotten this time around.
They weren't even scientists like the others. They just guarded Ansem's castle/lab. So they probably only became "apprentices" by proxy, because they were hanging around and got curious about the Heartless experiments.
I would not be opposed to seeing them do something (or at least TALK) but Leon, Cloud, Tifa etc. have real story threads already going, and I'd prefer to see those continue.
I also find it funny how, despite going to Destiny Islands several times, Tidus, Selphie and Wakka are just totally forgotten this time around.
okay, I thought it might have something to do with Mysterious Unexplained Boy or something
Does any other FF character get name dropped? Just heard an NPC say "I haven't seen Seifer in a while".
To be honest it was lil stuff like that, that's what made it even worst lol. Just show the characters standing in the crowd at least
is it really a seifer appearance if he doesn't provide undeniable proof that he totally owned us lamers?
Agreed that moment was badass but technically it was Terra's Theme playing and not Rage Awakened
I guess he/she was including Sora himself. So Sora, Ventus, Roxas, Xion.
I hate this so much because it completely throws out all of Xaldin's characterization. He was the one who could literally turn people's hearts with words, the master manipulator, and then they make Dilan this silent hulk. Like why??? They couldn't get David Dayan Fisher back or they just didn't care? It sucks.
That's why I've been saying we need some canon novels. Not to add more things people need to do to understand the plot, but just to flesh out the characters behind the scenes. There are too many original characters to do them all justice. I want side stories that tell us what Dilan and Aeleus have to say about everything, what their motivations as characters are. I wanna know what happens the first time Ven and Roxas hang out. I want to hear about the dynamic between Isa and all of the people he hurt now that he's part of the gang. There are so many stories that weren't fleshed out, and I keep looking for fanfiction to fill the void but it's all bad shipping stuff.
I hate that Nomura makes me care about all of these characters and then doesn't do anything with half of them. 😭
Yo so why is the scene with Vexen and Demyx the best scene in the entire series? Like everything about it feels sooo much better than any other cutscene. The voice direction is fantastic, the animations are expressive and remind me of actual Disney films, and its overall just a really charming scene. Everything else in the series feels so... average in comparison, minus a few standout scenes from the franchise. I don't know, maybe its just me.
Urgh I'm still angry about the whole Terranort/Master Xehanort thing.
The whole plot of BBS revolved around MX wanted a younger, stronger, new body because he was old and frail, so why is he back as his old and frail self?
How do the two even coexist? Did they return as seperate people after reforming and Terra just got immediately norted again? Did they return separately but Xehanort's heart was just in both bodies? Is Terranort actually pulled from the past and in a replica body and killing MX actually destroyed Terra's real body?
Like why the fuck didn't they just make Terranort the final boss? He was the most threatening and imposing character in the game when he showed up to wreck everybody and they should have just went with that.
The whole plot of BBS revolved around MX wanted a younger, stronger, new body because he was old and frail, so why is he back as his old and frail self?
How do the two even coexist? Did they return as seperate people after reforming and Terra just got immediately norted again? Did they return separately but Xehanort's heart was just in both bodies? Is Terranort actually pulled from the past and in a replica body and killing MX actually destroyed Terra's real body?
Like why the fuck didn't they just make Terranort the final boss? He was the most threatening and imposing character in the game when he showed up to wreck everybody and they should have just went with that.
He only needed the body to continue his plan. He was old and frail and would not have been able to set everything in motion without a new body. He returned to his own because they needed 13 pieces. As for coexisting no idea have to wait for KH3 Ultimania.
Thats my guess. When Ansem SoD and Xemnas died both Xehanort and Terra reformed into their original selves separately and then Xehanort took him over again I guess or a part of him still stayed inside Terra to keep control.
That scene is so good. I think part of it has to do with Demyx as a character. He's a lot like Axel without all of the fourth wall breaking stuff. Like when he says "We're not even friends! I can count the number of times we hung out on one hand!" he's saying what we're all thinking, but without the Axel wink wink nugde I'm so self aware bit. He's still in character. It's just so believably written, Demyx not wanting to go out of his way to help someone and Even desprately trying to convince him that it'll be even easier to join the lights (and almost failing). I want to see more scenes of characters interacting like that.
Uh so with Demyx and Vexen being benched and never being killed they just continue on as nobodies forever huh?
And why were they even benched to start with, they put in Xion who wasn't even norted and changed sides after 30 seconds. How does a rando keyblade wielder who specialised in light power count as a darkness? That whole plot thread was underbaked and her return was forced as shit.
And why were they even benched to start with, they put in Xion who wasn't even norted and changed sides after 30 seconds. How does a rando keyblade wielder who specialised in light power count as a darkness? That whole plot thread was underbaked and her return was forced as shit.