[UNMARKED SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III & ReMind DLC- Spoiler Thread

Slacker247 · Feb 22, 2019

Arkanim94 said:
The one in corona imo is worse.

Corona one is ok via some trial and error. I expected it to be super annoying but ended up liking it. Just had to redo it because certain Flans don't give a lot of points. So once you get the perfect timing (it's easy, by the way) you just go for the ones that give the best points. E.g. the pancake flan, the fastest flying one (it drops quick so you need to pull the trigger right away), the animal one, the water one.

I havent done all flan minigames yet but the Hercules one was the most annoying so far and easiest was the Toy Box one, which I expected to be so much more frustrating, whew!

Arkanim94 · Feb 22, 2019

Eien1no1Yami said:
I've seen other people mention this too but how can anyone dislike this minigame :P?

long loading time if you want to restart the minigame.

Tetsujin · Feb 22, 2019

AztecComplex said:
2) The music. Shimomura outdid herself. Just incredible.

To me it sounded like she was barely involved with most of those new compositions and arrangements. Just going by ear I think she only did two of the Disney worlds for example (Corona and Arendelle). All those "even more epic"-styled new versions of older tracks also sounded unlike her style.
It's a good OST but as a huge Shimomura fan I was a bit let down by not getting more new music from her.

PlanetSmasher · Feb 22, 2019

Tetsujin said:
To me it sounded like she was barely involved with most of those new compositions and arrangements. Just going by ear I think she only did two of the Disney worlds for example (Corona and Arendelle). All those "even more epic"-styled new versions of older tracks also sounded unlike her style.
It's a good OST but as a huge Shimomura fan I was a bit let down by not getting more new music from her.

The Scala stuff was definitely her, at least.

Meows · Feb 22, 2019

There were a lot of moments toward the end where I saw Nomura clearly reintroducing or alluding to Versus XIII/XV elements, the not-Somnus playing while Sora and Riku walk through a modern metropolitan Japanese town being the biggest one. But you also had the strange push for Riku and Namine (have the two ever interacted before longer than a few seconds? I know Repliku was in love with her but I can't remember how involved she was with his side in Chain of Memories. I know they talked once or twice at the beginning of II. They made a big deal about how Roxas and Namine complete each other but then that seemed pushed aside in this ending) where Riku's design is basically not-Noctis and Namine is basically a kiddified design of Stella in that one iconic scene.

PlanetSmasher · Feb 22, 2019

Meowster said:
There were a lot of moments toward the end where I saw Nomura clearly reintroducing or alluding to Versus XIII/XV elements, the not-Somnus playing while Sora and Riku walk through a modern metropolitan Japanese town being the biggest one. But you also had the strange push for Riku and Namine (have the two ever interacted before longer than a few seconds? I know Repliku was in love with her but I can't remember how involved she was with his side in Chain of Memories. I know they talked once or twice at the beginning of II. They made a big deal about how Roxas and Namine complete each other but then that seemed pushed aside in this ending) where Riku's design is basically not-Noctis and Namine is basically a kiddified design of Stella in that one iconic scene.

I don't really see it as a push of the two of them. Riku was just there to pick her up to bring her to DA. They weren't even shown together after that.

Deleted member 34949 · Feb 22, 2019

Tetsujin said:
To me it sounded like she was barely involved with most of those new compositions and arrangements. Just going by ear I think she only did two of the Disney worlds for example (Corona and Arendelle). All those "even more epic"-styled new versions of older tracks also sounded unlike her style.
It's a good OST but as a huge Shimomura fan I was a bit let down by not getting more new music from her.

The Toy Box battle theme practically screams Shimomura.

I found it really odd that some of the best new orchestrated arrangements in the game were reserved for cutscenes (Forze Del Male, What Lies Beneath, etc.). Kinda wish we'd have gotten a new theme for the "13th" series of themes that started with Chain of Memories/KH2 (13th Struggle/Dilemma/Reflection) for the Org. XIII bosses, I guess they went with using the 1.5 + 2.5 arrangements for most of them considering the "EVERYONE IS HERE" aspect that the endgame pulls in regards to characters.

PlanetSmasher said:
I don't really see it as a push of the two of them. Riku was just there to pick her up to bring her to DA. They weren't even shown together after that.

Yeah, that's what I gathered from it. Not sure how people are reading the scene otherwise, but then again I consciously avoid shipping nonsense so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Robdraggoo · Feb 22, 2019

Just made it land of departure. How many hours left?

fayaine · Feb 22, 2019

Robdraggoo said:
Just made it land of departure. How many hours left?

2-3 depending on speed and not skipping cutscenes

Alpheus · Feb 22, 2019

Eien1no1Yami said:
I've seen other people mention this too but how can anyone dislike this minigame :P?
I find it to be the best one and I highscored it without looking at any guide.
I just observed the flan's reactions and movements in order to find the correct moment to take the shot.
Some flans don't give enough points even if you took the shot correctly but the trail & error is still pretty minimal.

I also had a blast doing the Flan photo shoot, shit was cute AF

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

As I just beat this game last night can someone point me to a post that discussed in detail how much Kairi sucks? I can't believe they couldn't give her some redemption or personality and just when it seemed she might get one by training to be a key wielder she still gets kidnapped like a chump and then killed! All her training was just an excuse to have her in the battlefield so she can be snatched and killed for that sweet sweet man pain!

17 years worth of games and Kairi never developed a personality. Her fucking Nobody Namine and her black haired whatever she was Xion had more personality than her.

And like I said in my last post, this game loves to flirt with almost showing Kairi's underwear. This is a Disney game and shes like 14 and yet Square can't help itself from adding stupid anime fan service. There's this one scene near the end where she's flying with Sora and the camera is behind her and we don't see her panties only because her legs are bent and block us. I felt dirty, give her some shorts like Aqua.

Now that I think about it the only main character with any semblance of importance isn't he whole cast that was a woman was Aqua. And I found Sora to have more chemistry with Riku than he ever did with Kairi too btw.

I'm late to this thread so I'm sure this has been discussed to Hell and back and need to catharsis. Kairi SUCKS

Kain · Feb 22, 2019

OMG what a shit ending holy fuck. Fuck the silent ending and fuck the epilogue and the secret movie. Closure? What's that?

Yeah Nomura was salty as fuck with the Versus stuff, it shows.

Also Shimomura composed, what, 10 new themes? So. Many. Remixes.

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

scooper said:
what i saw of kairi and the other girls in the leaks was... disappointing. from what i understand her contribution to the story (beyond being a party member in a boss fight iirc? haven't read anything yet about how well she does. i hope she's at least decent) is giving sora the paopu and getting hurt/dying?? like... okay that's bogus but couldn't she have done that in shorts/pants lol?? sis is getting knocked down and suspended hundreds of feet in the air over people's heads, that's an accident waiting to happen (unless it's a skort? is there any indication that it's canonically a skort? because skorts are fine. they're sporty and cute. nomura please text me back)

Having just beat the game I never saw any indication she was wearing a skort. It wouldn't be the first time Kairi wears a tiny dress or skirt and her panties can be seen (KH2 has that). I didn't think of checking her out during the one gameplay moment tounshare with KH3 Kairi before she gets fucking kidnapped. I suppose that's the one time you could use the game camera to see if that skirt was just that or a skirt. This girl is like she's allergic to anything that aren't tiny skirts.

The only woman in this game who's not wearing a Organization hood that doesn't use a dress or skirt is Aqua (with one exception, the girl from Twilight Town I forget her name). Even Xion in the ending goes to wearing a mini skirt to play in the sand and sit in tall buildings to eat ice cream.

We didn't get to see Larxene in civilian clothes because otherwise I'm sure she would've been sporting a dress or skirt too.

kyorii · Feb 22, 2019

AztecComplex said:
Having just beat the game I never saw any indication she was wearing a skort. It wouldn't be the first time Kairi wears a tiny dress or skirt and her panties can be seen (KH2 has that). I didn't think of checking her out during the one gameplay moment tounshare with KH3 Kairi before she gets fucking kidnapped. I suppose that's the one time you could use the game camera to see if that skirt was just that or a skirt. This girl is like she's allergic to anything that aren't tiny skirts.

The only woman in this game who's not wearing a Organization hood that doesn't use a dress or skirt is Aqua (with one exception, the girl from Twilight Town I forget her name). Even Xion in the ending goes to wearing a mini skirt to play in the sand and sit in tall buildings to eat ice cream.

We didn't get to see Larxene in civilian clothes because otherwise I'm sure she would've been sporting a dress or skirt too.

Well you can see her somebody in Union X As Elrena, and yes she is wearing a skirt. I suspect it's just Nomuras style in general on hip teen fashion.

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

kyorii said:
Well you can see her somebody in Union X As Elrena, and yes she is wearing a skirt. I suspect it's just Nomuras style in general on hip teen fashion.

I get that. Skirts are cute and are popular for a reason but if you're training to fight a war maybe not wear one then? I'm of course talking about dear and useless kairi.

kyorii · Feb 22, 2019

AztecComplex said:
I get that. Skirts are cute and are oooular for a reason but if you're training to fight a war maybe not wear one then? I'm of fours eralking about dear and useless kairi.

Well the other thing is Yen Sid was the one that gave her the outfit actually, so blame him haha.

Goddamit trying to post on a phone.

Kain said:
OMG what a shit ending holy fuck. Fuck the silent ending and fuck the epilogue and the secret movie. Closure? What's that?

Yeah Nomura was salty as fuck with the Versus stuff, it shows.

Also Shimomura composed, what, 10 new themes? So. Many. Remixes.

I am guessing you had no investment on the 358/BbS crew, that was a satisfying as a conclusion as it gets after over a decade of tragedy and mishaps.

Deleted member 29464 · Feb 22, 2019

Every now and then I think of KH even after finishing it and get confused again lol. Now I'm thinking how Namine and Roxas existing still makes little sense, though I suppose they acknowledge that Namine shouldn't really exist. I think Nomura (or his writers) just come up with premises and then write or retcons whatever it takes to make it work.

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
Nomura States the kh characters can carry the game on their own. Therefore that's why you had models of Dylan and xaldin in radiant garden doing so much and not the ff Gang

There was no reason why Sephiroth couldn't be the optional boss. Playing a numbered KH game without Sephiroth feels wrong.

It's not like they needed to give an explanation of why he's there or even any dialogue (does hiring Lance Bass from *NSYNC worth it only for him to bring some yells and grunts for Sephiroth?).

This is the first KH game where there are actual NPCs living in the cities. They could've easily thrown a couple of FF characters living in one as cameos.

Hailinel · Feb 22, 2019

AztecComplex said:
There was no reason why Sephiroth couldn't be the optional boss. Playing a numbered KH game without Sephiroth feels wrong.

It's not like they needed to give an explanation of why he's there or even any dialogue (does hiring Lance Bass from *NSYNC worth it only for him to bring some yells and grunts for Sephiroth?).

This is the first KH game where there are actual NPCs living in the cities. They could've easily thrown a couple of FF characters living in one as cameos.

Lance Bass hasn't voiced Sephiroth since KH1.

Also, internal studio politics apparently kept Laguna out of Birth by Sleep since he was in Dissidia 012.

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

iosefe said:
Decided to replay the final battle, and thinking about the fakeout death.

How did xbox handle the call out of goofy and donald, if at all? Via the TV I guess

Anyway, it was a really great touch hearing that from the controller.

What? They said something through the controller's speaker? What was it? I played it with headphones connected to my Dualshock4 so I'm guessing I got all through there.

What part was heard themrough the controller?

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

Hailinel said:
Lance Bass hasn't voiced Sephiroth since KH1.

Oh I know that, I was just making fun of KH1 why even hire a famous person only to have him bring nothing to the character but a few grunts and yells?

That didn't stop them from bringing Sephiroth (but not Lance) back for KH2 so why not 3?

Blackleg-sanji1 · Feb 22, 2019

AztecComplex said:
What? They said something through the controller's speaker? What was it? I played it with headphones connected to my Dualshock4 so I'm guessing I got all through there.

What part was heard themrough the controller?

They yell out sora thru the controller it's really cool

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

psynergyadept said:
Kairi getting "damsel in disstress" yet again made my eyeroll so hard....it was just UGH!! like all that training and we didn't see shit! then she "dies" or it seems no one really dies in KH and we have no idea even how Sora(I guess abusing the power of waking) even saved her and why he is "dead". I would've like KH3 to have a wholesome ending before teasing us on what's the next for KH...Kairi and Sora didn't deserve this!!!

Of course they didn't deserve it. The only explanation is that Nomura hates Kairi. Why else do you think in 17 years and 10 games Kairi never developed a personality? And when finally a game is prepping her for some growth they have her offscreen training and at the end after one fight she still gets damsel'd and then killed.

Kairi sucks.

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
They yell out sora thru the controller it's really cool

I curse my wife for going to bed so early in the evening resulting in me having to play with headphones.

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

The Gunslinger said:
On the female character front, this game is probably the worst that they've ever been treated.

They were done decently in previous games.

Previous gameS? Plural?

Other than BBS with its only female main character Aqua, what KH game trates it's female characters decently? They're all either dead, plot devices that leave them dead at the end, kidnapped, or left offscreen for most of the game.

Disney princesses don't count. I'm obviously talking about main KH female characters that contribute to the main story so fighting alongside Rapunzel for a hot minute doesn't count.

kyorii · Feb 22, 2019

AztecComplex said:
Previous gameS? Plural?

Other than BBS with its only female main character Aqua, what KH game trates it's female characters decently? They're all either dead, plot devices that leave them dead at the end, kidnapped, or left offscreen for most of the game.

Disney princesses don't count. I'm obviously talking about main KH female characters that contribute to the main story so fighting alongside Rapunzel for a hot minute doesn't count.

To be fair, and it has been discussed in here and elsewhere, it wasn't just the females getting mistreated. Everyone has had a hard take thruout the series in general unless you're Sora, and even then that's not the best of circumstances. Especially in KH3, there was tons of Ls given to everyone, not simply Aqua or Kairi. I believe it was concluded that Nomura just loves tragedy in general and its not a specific gender thing. Minus Kairi, which we all agree she's been very much nothing. But Aqua/Xion/Namine have been great.

AztecComplex · Feb 22, 2019

kyorii said:
To be fair, and it has been discussed in here and elsewhere, it wasn't just the females getting mistreated. Everyone has had a hard take thruout the series in general unless you're Sora, and even then that's not the best of circumstances. Especially in KH3, there was tons of Ls given to everyone, not simply Aqua or Kairi. I believe it was concluded that Nomura just loves tragedy in general and its not a specific gender thing. Minus Kairi, which we all agree she's been very much nothing. But Aqua/Xion/Namine have been great.

That's true but at least there's a more varied and, dare I say, diverse cast of male characters in KH when compared to the female cast.

Women are so few and far between and when it comes to main characters you're basically stuck with just Aqua and stupid, useless, forever damsel'd Kairi. The rest are her two copies (side character Namine and barely there for one game that kills her and is brought back in the last hour of KH3 Xion), and that one girl from Twilight Town I cant even remmeber her name.

So I wouldn't say male and female characters in KH are treated the same because for that to happen there has to be female characters to begin with.

Blackleg-sanji1 · Feb 22, 2019

I still stand by my stance. Kairi and axel should've been the tutorial instead of whatever the hell that was with sora. If you look at them fight during the "war" their combos are pretty fleshed out. Have you pick between kairi(magic) axel(strength. Than have them answer some questions from Merlin that fills out the rest of the stats and how you get abilities. Than you fight some pots and chairs whatever learn the basics and then they fight each other. That way it don't look silly with you having sora learn lock on and dodge roll and so on.

Win win you get to see their training, gives them more moments, basics out the way

kyorii · Feb 22, 2019

AztecComplex said:
That's true but at least there's a more varied and, dare I say, diverse cast of male characters in KH when compared to the female cast.

Women are so few and far between and when it comes to main characters you're basically stuck with just Aqua and stupid, useless, forever damsel'd Kairi. The rest are her two copies (side character Namine and barely there for one game that kills her and is brought back in the last hour of KH3 Xion), and that one girl from Twilight Town I cant even remmeber her name.

So I wouldn't say male and female characters in KH are treated the same because for that to happen there has to be female characters to begin with.

Namine actually played a role in every single game since Chain of Memories. She was interwoven into 358, KH2 as a rather important key figure. And if folks caught it, it was her in KH3 that called out to Lingering Will in the Final World to save the crew at the Keyblade Graveyard.

Gold Arsene · Feb 22, 2019

I hope there's at least Mirage Arena DLC so you can choose teammates from any world. I'd like to fight with the endgame unique fighters more.

Also you guys make me feel bad for liking the female cast in this game jeez.

Hailinel · Feb 22, 2019

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I still stand by my stance. Kairi and axel should've been the tutorial instead of whatever the hell that was with sora. If you look at them fight during the "war" their combos are pretty fleshed out. Have you pick between kairi(magic) axel(strength. Than have them answer some questions from Merlin that fills out the rest of the stats and how you get abilities. Than you fight some pots and chairs whatever learn the basics and then they fight each other. That way it don't look silly with you having sora learn lock on and dodge roll and so on.

Win win you get to see their training, gives them more moments, basics out the way

KH3 begins with a dive into the heart just like KH1, down to the answering of questions that play upon desires that define stat growths. And Sora has to relearn everything after getting whipped at the end of DDD.

KingdomKey · Feb 22, 2019

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I still stand by my stance. Kairi and axel should've been the tutorial instead of whatever the hell that was with sora. If you look at them fight during the "war" their combos are pretty fleshed out. Have you pick between kairi(magic) axel(strength. Than have them answer some questions from Merlin that fills out the rest of the stats and how you get abilities. Than you fight some pots and chairs whatever learn the basics and then they fight each other. That way it don't look silly with you having sora learn lock on and dodge roll and so on.

Win win you get to see their training, gives them more moments, basics out the way

Even just a training montage of sorts would work out pretty well to see their techniques and improvements. The way it was handled didn't show much to be desired.

Blackleg-sanji1 · Feb 22, 2019

Crazy Izanagi said:
I hope there's at least Mirage Arena DLC so you can choose teammates from any world. I'd like to fight with the endgame unique fighters more.

Also you guys make me feel bad for liking the female cast in this game jeez.

Look at that so damn cool. Kairi's lil tornado spin and axel breaking his keyblade apart and throwing it like two discs

Deleted member 34949 · Feb 22, 2019

kyorii said:
Namine actually played a role in every single game since Chain of Memories. She was interwoven into 358, KH2 as a rather important key figure. And if folks caught it, it was her in KH3 that called out to Lingering Will in the Final World to save the crew at the Keyblade Graveyard.

Not to mention her having a huge hand in Coded as well.

TissueBox · Feb 22, 2019

Saw that video earlier. Watching Xion and Kairi fight is both cool and a cruel tease!! And Axel too.

Woulda been nice if we had some more scenes of them taking arms like that. Watching Kairi's combos just makes you go, 'Now that's the Keyblade wielder we've been waiting for!!'

Bambi Is My Dad · Feb 22, 2019

My major problem with the final world is the Kingdom Hearts Union X and how it felt more concerned with sequel baiting in some areas than tying up the current plot threads.

I think I'm more pissed that the plot from the mobile game is actually important.

Rush_Khan · Feb 22, 2019

Finally got that Synthesist trophy. Shooting rocks in space for Orichalcums is not fun.

Oh, the Platinum is a nice added bonus with it :)

Reyes · Feb 22, 2019

Crazy Izanagi said:
Also you guys make me feel bad for liking the female cast in this game jeez.

Not our fault the female cast is weak as hell, take that up with Nojima and Nomura

Voltt · Feb 22, 2019

Crazy Izanagi said:
I hope there's at least Mirage Arena DLC so you can choose teammates from any world. I'd like to fight with the endgame unique fighters more.

Also you guys make me feel bad for liking the female cast in this game jeez.

Huh. Using the claymores was obvious, but even outside of that, boss Xion and party member Xion have different special moves. Interesting.

Rush_Khan · Feb 22, 2019

There's so much wasted potential with all those AIs for the final fights that they surely HAVE to do something more with them for the Final Mix cut.

Gold Arsene · Feb 22, 2019

Reyes said:
Not our fault the female cast is weak as hell, take that up with Nojima and Nomura

I mean I'm not going to say there aren't issues because goodness bows there are.

Though I guess I'm just trying to avoid being so negative lately and I'm cautiously optimistic that they can improve. As far as basic bits goes though I do like Kairi and Namine well enough and Xion and Aqua were already some of my favorite characters in the franchise.

Deleted member 42105 · Feb 22, 2019

Kairi's combat animations look player based.
We're going to get that training session in FM me thinks.

2 million thread views, fans are still hungry Nomura-san.

Gold Arsene · Feb 22, 2019

Rush_Khan said:
There's so much wasted potential with all those AIs for the final fights that they surely HAVE to do something more with them for the Final Mix cut.

This is my feelings as well. It'd be odd to make new characters with full moves for such a limited time.

Famassu · Feb 22, 2019

Reyes said:
Not our fault the female cast is weak as hell, take that up with Nojima and Nomura

Apart from Kairi, they aren't any weaker than the men

Zomba13 · Feb 22, 2019

Voltt said:
Huh. Using the claymores was obvious, but even outside of that, boss Xion and party member Xion have different special moves. Interesting.

In a perfect world, during that fight Sora would get knocked down or out or removed from the fight and we'd play as Roxas fighting alongside Xion and Axel.

BiggestGeekEver · Feb 22, 2019

Two Become One as an extra DLC keyblade with the form change being dual wielding Oathkeeper and Oblivion would be pretty damn hype.

Voltt · Feb 22, 2019

Zomba13 said:
In a perfect world, during that fight Sora would get knocked down or out or removed from the fight and we'd play as Roxas fighting alongside Xion and Axel.

Roxas not being playable for that fight is probably the single weirdest gameplay decision in KH3. The cutscene perfectly sets it up, and I'm pretty sure he's the second most popular character in the series anyway.

Hexa · Feb 22, 2019

BiggestGeekEver said:
Two Become One as an extra DLC keyblade with the form change being dual wielding Oathkeeper and Oblivion would be pretty damn hype.

It should be called One Become Two now though.

Hailinel · Feb 22, 2019

Voltt said:
Roxas not being playable for that fight is probably the single weirdest gameplay decision in KH3. The cutscene perfectly sets it up, and I'm pretty sure he's the second most popular character in the series anyway.

They make up for it by making AI Roxas a ridiculous beast.

Steven · Feb 22, 2019

Roxas OP as fuck tbh

Top tier boss in KH2 and absolutely destroys in KH3 despite joining Sora a while back.

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