Larxene literally expressed no regrets or improvement in persona. Y'all really trying to stretch redemption.
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[UNMARKED SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III & ReMind DLC- Spoiler Thread
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Larxene literally expressed no regrets or improvement in persona. Y'all really trying to stretch redemption.
He's an old man entrenched in his beliefs, which at this point everyone else knows are wrong. Eraqus shows up and convinces him to take the L. If he hadn't, Xehanort would have just faded away, howling and bitter, but Eraqus is too pure to let that happen.
Pretty much. You would've got the shot of him bursting into a heart and fading away either way, but they needed to fire that Chekhov's Gun of the Eraqus shard in Terra.
If X just faded into darkness like Vanitas the implication would've just been that he's coming back again later.
I mean, I don't really see any reason why he couldn't have faded away, muttering under his breath about the heroes causing their own demise. Eraqus didn't really need to show up either, he had a pretty satisfying ending in BBS before they needlessly set up some sort of return for him in Blank Points.
Like, it's ultimately a minor thing. It just draws my ire that they've got so many animators working with them and so many examples of how to edit a scene like that to show that the heroes were in the right and ultimately deserve to be shown more respect in the framing.
Another question for the lore experts.
So why is Ventus in that Union X game? I thought was way in the past? Also the MoM stuff, the Keyblade War, and so on. Wasn't that in the past? The Dandelions? Yet it seems the Foretellers are alive in well, time traveling lol. And obviously the MoM is alive.
So why is Ventus in that Union X game? I thought was way in the past? Also the MoM stuff, the Keyblade War, and so on. Wasn't that in the past? The Dandelions? Yet it seems the Foretellers are alive in well, time traveling lol. And obviously the MoM is alive.
They set that up in BBS itself. He fell into Terra as he died the same way Kairi fell into Sora.
It seems like the new Union leaders traveled forward at some point but lost their memories in the process (Ven already was amnesiac when he first comes to Eraqus anyway, so this isn't really a retcon with him). Marluxia also only seems to be getting his memories back at the very end after losing to Sora, and Subject X is almost certainly Skuld.
She said that being defeated by Sora wasn't so bad, and that she only joined for the ride...With ????? (Marly obvs)
He also faded away around him in the process, which we didn't really see from Kairi.. Could've gone either way until Blank Points basically confirmed it.
It also would've given Terra more agency as a result - the whole Guardian struggling scene now has that spectre of "was Terra strong enough to fight back all this time, or was it just Eraqus."
I think the guardian scene makes it pretty clear it was Terra, since Eraqus only shows up AFTER Terra's reclaimed himself.
But the guardian was also totally under Terranort and Ansem SoD's control, except for the 3 seconds where it wasn't in DDD. Would the guardian have even existed without Eraqus being a sly fox and protecting Terra?
Yeah, almost definitely. The guardian was Terra's Heartless being enslaved by Xehanort. E might have helped a little bit, but it didn't exactly do much considering poor Terra got turned into a goddamn airship by Ansem SoD and didn't manage to reclaim even a sliver of agency until Terranort clashed with the Lingering Will.
1. Because she didn't want to be a Xehanort vessel. She still treats sora like trash
2. Being along for the ride doesn't change her personality cause marluxia aint as big a dick as Larxene is to EVERYONE.
Lije if Sora meets her somebody, she wouldn't be like "Good to see you." She'd at best tell him to go kick rocks.
But now this goes all the way back to BBS, in Blank Points Xehanort questions why Terra still exists in any form until he recognizes Eraqus. And now that we know that Terra was the Guardian, it just makes us question how much was Terra fighting and how much was Eraqus just outplaying Xehanort.
Like, Luxu is clearly using the same trick, so why doesn't he have a guardian?
On the female character front, this game is probably the worst that they've ever been treated.
They were done decently in previous games.
The Guardian didn't come into being specifically until Terranort used the keyblade to unlock his hearts. I imagine Luxu has a different method.
Which is kind of the point - the worldbuilding remains haphazard and we can't speculate on what should be two characters doing the same thing because we'll just get a new rule on the spot, be it time travel that only helps the bad guy, or we can track anyone who wears an X on their shirt just because.
Which is fine, the nonsense main arc only ever exists as a reason to send the main character into the Disney vignettes and set up a big shonen fight scene at the end. I just wish they'd lean more on the Disney framing and iconography like they do with the heartless fight sequences rather than spend so long focusing on this other stuff.
Roxas can solo a boss, even on proud. He wins any "coolness" award.
Aqua definitely took a couple of lumps, but overall came out decently despite that one bit with Vanitas, and Xion was handled pretty well and got some cool moments. I would have preferred getting to see Aqua get a definitive win at some point in the final act, though.
I mean, again, the thing is that the Guardian was specifically a result of Xehanort fucking up and using his keyblade on his own heart. If Luxu isn't dumb enough to do that, there's no reason to assume he would get a Guardian too. It wasn't a result of the POSSESSION, it was a result of the heart unlocking specifically.
Luxu fucking sucks and I hate him and everything around him, but this "two characters are doing the same thing so why isn't the result the same" argument doesn't work because they didn't actually do the same thing.
But there's the question - did Xehanort end up using the Keyblade on his own heart to get rid of Terra because Eraqus made him stronger and harder to overpower? Would he have drowned out Terra without Eraqus's interference? Is this just not an issue for Luxu because of that, or is he just better? Now we have all sorts of questions that wouldn't have come up if Eraqus was just gone.
Like, you can say the Keyblade is the reason why this all happens, but then we have to ask what drove him to that in the first place now that other characters have been pulling this trick for longer.
Terra was always stronger than Xehanort thought, and that was kind of the point. If Terra hadn't been such a strong fighter he would've just disappeared. And if X hadn't used the keyblade on himself at that moment Aqua probably would've SAVED him.
And then the fight that follows includes Terra and Aqua fighting to overpower the guardian, so what was that about?
You're mixing up the order of events. After Terranort used the key on himself the Guardian appeared and the two immediately fell into the Dark Realm.
the guarding is still a mindless heartless when under Xehanort control.
You're misremembering.
Aqua fights terranort to a stand still.
Then in the second phase he summons the guardian.
And during that phase Terra shows up clearly struggling against the Guardian somehow and assists Aqua in defeating it, which just puts a big question mark on who was what all along. I can buy into whatever nonsense explanation they give us after the fact, my point is just that they've made it needlessly convoluted and change the rules on the fly.
Which is totally fine, again. The whole non-Disney story is just some connective tissue to give a reason for sending Sora and company into the Disney worlds to begin with. It took on a life of its own in the years leading up to 3 because of how many other stories they were trying to tell and tie together. It just remains jarring as hell that they set up this whole universe with weird rules and asspulls which gets contrasted with Disney proper where they can explain similar themes with fewer characters and less exposition dumps. Especially so when the series started with those themes at its core and was able to give Ansem SoD an ending like any other Disney villain.
Oh for sure. I'm just saying she's not a "FUCK I LOVE BEING EVIL" like Vanitas or YX
The guardian actually HELPS you during the fight if you do some reaction commands right. The implication is that Terra is inside of it and doing his best to resist but Xehanort's still overpowering him.
When? It's been a hot minute since I've played it, but I can't recall a single instance where the guardian does anything other than attack, and I can't find any videos of it doing anything else.
There's a couple spots during the fight where the Guardian paralyzes Terranort, giving you free hits on him. It doesn't damage him directly but it does stop him in his tracks so you can hit him a couple of times.
Which is apparently wildly inconsistent and doesn't show all the time?
Also here's another wrench to throw into it - when Riku assumes the form of Ansem SoD, he can summon a guardian. Who's that one?
I've been asking THAT question (re: Riku) ever since the end of the game, yeah. I could buy it when Ansem's heart (and thus Terra's as well) was straight-up inside of Riku, but in KH2 that's no longer a concern.
Right, it probably meant nothing significant until BBS came along and planted that particular idea in Nomura's head and he went running with it.
Which, like before, is fine. It made for a cool redemption scene and that's all that really matters. It's just when you start peeling back the layers and trying to think about how you could've read into it before, there's too many questions and too many unknowns. It feels totally out of place next to a Disney/Pixar gambit.
I wish they focused on fewer characters for longer so that they could have made that same scene with a better payoff, but it is what it is and here we are now.
I mean, that's the thing. The series has been going on for two decades. It's not logical or reasonable to compare a series of this many games to a villain's self-contained plot in ONE Disney or Pixar movie. If you spend a lot of time looking for holes you're always going to find some.
Hell, Thanos' entire plot in Infinity War is utterly stupid if you think about it for more than five seconds. And people love him!
terra's heart was probably bound to xehanort's one, so to ansem, until KH 3 endgame.
Right. But Riku kicked Ansem's heart out of himself at the end of CoM. Yeah, there was a bit of his influence left but not his whole heart.
terra probably liked hanging out more with riku than with ansem.
I mean, I hate Thantos too. I know we were never going to get a simple story and a simple ending, it just isn't going to happen with Nomura at the helm. I just wish he'd let character arcs end instead of the constant "but before they were X they were..."
I just can't stop drawing the comparisons to Disney, because they're there by design. MX didn't need to be a 5D chess master... we could've just picked up his story in 3 without the additional baggage. The juxtaposition will always feel off, and it just doesn't have to be.
Sometimes I wonder if the games people keep calling spin-offs would be better if they actually were. Imagine if DDD didn't feature anyone we already know and was a completely separate story with its own new protagonist.
Without Dream Drop Distance or 0.2, the plot of KH3 would be entirely different. Maybe that's what you'd prefer, but that's not reality.
Anyone else think it wouldve been more interesting if Nomura moved forward in time after KH2 instead of back in time ?
I always thought that BBS teaser would represent the future and not the past.
KH1 made sora to be such a unique entity in relation to the Keyblade, it makes for a better foundational story in and of itself.
I always thought that that KH2 teaser repredented what is going to happen( key blade wars) because people actually found a way to manually access and manipulate the power of key blades(Originally it chooses its user in an exclusive way like it did in KH1)
Anyone agrees with me ?
I always thought that BBS teaser would represent the future and not the past.
KH1 made sora to be such a unique entity in relation to the Keyblade, it makes for a better foundational story in and of itself.
I always thought that that KH2 teaser repredented what is going to happen( key blade wars) because people actually found a way to manually access and manipulate the power of key blades(Originally it chooses its user in an exclusive way like it did in KH1)
Anyone agrees with me ?
Not necessarily? Would still be MX as the bad guy, would still have us saving Aqua, Ven and Terra. Just wouldn't need to involve more returning characters, random callbacks from Unchained and wouldn't have the arbitrary stuff that they made up to explain some of the asspulls from other games. Not having 0.2 doesn't really change anything other than us still not knowing why Mickey was half naked at the time.
But I know that's not reality. I've spent like two pages saying I accept Nomura's writing for what it is, I just wish it were better.