There was no more story to tell after 2, though. Everything was kinda already wrapped up but people wanted a trilogy.
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[UNMARKED SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III & ReMind DLC- Spoiler Thread
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There was no more story to tell after 2, though. Everything was kinda already wrapped up but people wanted a trilogy.
You posited that the spin-offs be separate. Without BBS there's no Aqua Ventus Terra to save in the first place. We also don't have Master Xehanort.
We could've had BBS without some of its more far-reaching implications. It works just fine as a self-contained story, and it still leaves something for Sora to do in this hypothetical world where 2 ended gracefully. Save Aqua, save Ventus, work together to save Terra, take down MX.
It would've saved us from some of the weirder nonsense like the "true organization," time travel, the data and sleeping worlds, and the arbitrary 7/13 split, and given Master Xehanort more screentime rather than just being the man behind the man.
This makes no sense. 2 ended with finality and most of the bullshit you're talking about was added SPECIFICALLY by DDD.
Right, 2 would be done and we wouldn't have to dredge up anything from it. BBS could still exist and we could deal with the implications of it without having to dredge up anything from DDD.
I think you're agreeing with me more on this than you're not?
No, I'm confused. I don't understand what you're saying. I would rather we live in a world where DDD didn't exist at all but BBS isn't really a problem.
At this point I've kinda lost the plot and I'm just rambling about a world that could've been, but I'm agreeing with you. BBS is totally fine, and could've been a setup for 3 on its own - none of the other games were really all that necessary for Sora to go on a quest to save TAV and pit him against MX.
DDD needlessly complicated things and there was no reason why it couldn't have just been its own self-contained entry.
Scar has a ghost. And Eraqus didn't actually come back.
What does that even mean? What is a self contained 3D? The story relies entirely on connecting games. Personally, I'd rather a KH3 that integrates 0.2 and 3D, because KH3 is very much the final act of those two.
Let me rephrase - there was no reason why 3D actually had to exist because there was enough of a buildup from BBS for a hypothetical followup KH3. They could've still made a 3D but used it as an opportunity to introduce new characters that don't have anything to do with Sora's story because as it stands, it just made a mess of things that they had to work harder to clean up for 3.
I don't mind DDD, but I really done like the time travel aspect. I think it makes things overtly convoluted just bring back characters that didn't need to be brought back. 13 evils vs 7 lights is fine, but I would have preferred new characters instead of Ansem/Xemnas. Were there any completely new original characters in KH3?
If they made people buy 3D and then it wasn't relevant at all to 3 fans would be super pissed.
Like I said, the universe would be better if there was no 3DS KH game, but since we have one, it had to be plot relevant.
I thought all 356, Re:Coded, and BBS were specifically building up to DDD?
Those three games were all building up to 3 and we definitely could've had 3 without the dumb bullshit introduced by DDD.
DDD just exists to justify the time travel and explain why Sora got metroid'd.
And this is going to be my point of contention - we could've had a separate storyline running on Nintendo stuff so that we weren't constantly jumping platforms for these games. I don't think it would be awful to just let it exist on its own and I doubt the fanbase would've much cared, but we don't live in that universe so we'll never know.
BBS was filling out the universe and was establishing a new big bad. Days and Re:Coded weren't really building up to anything either, just explaining how he would've come back. It was 3D that kinda screwed the pooch by adding in time travel and really mucking up everything.
We could've actually had a 3 where 0.2 was the opening act and Sora sets off on a quest to rescue TAV after hearing about it, instead of the plot cul-de-sac of the Power of Waking.
But I'm talking about Nomura's perspective. He mentioned this once in an interview I believe.
Nomura is clearly a madman, so we probably won't know exactly how he expected the whole thing to pan out.
It seems more like they wanted to make a 3DS game first and foremost and just let the rest figure itself out, since there's nothing about Coded, Days or BBS that explicitly requires DDD to explain anything.
He can say whatever he wants, but the storylines in the three other games have little to nothing to do with what happens in DDD. Almost nothing happens in that game except the giant plot dump at the very end.
"If you survive that long."
"Fall before these broken keys."
"This town shall be your resting place."
"Just let it end, boy."
"Expire!"
- Master Xehanort
I love how many ways the can have a character say they're going to kill Sora with using the word "die".
"Fall before these broken keys."
"This town shall be your resting place."
"Just let it end, boy."
"Expire!"
- Master Xehanort
I love how many ways the can have a character say they're going to kill Sora with using the word "die".
Finished this on Saturday. They could have finished the series (or at least Sora's & Xehanort's story), but of course the whole bullshit with the Master of Masters and of course Sora inexplicably fading away at the end really ruins all the rest of the stuff that concludes in this game.
Yeah, I was fine with DDD for a good majority of it. Then the time travel stuff started happening and I think I said "Oh no" out loud.
Just finished, watched the Epilogue which was amazing.
Then watched the Secret Movie, what the hell did I just watch???
Then watched the Secret Movie, what the hell did I just watch???
So the black box contains 'hope' huh? Wonder what that means.
I wonder if Xigbar might have convinced them to go looking for it so it'd be easier for him to find, or perhaps he just knew all along where it is and played along with Xehanorts hunt for it.
With that said though it might be setting up for them to be some of the darknesses/be allied with them in the next game and if that involves the princesses of heart again we could get a semi-redux of KH1 with Malificent as one of the main villains (leading into the bigger plot) which I think would be a nice start to the next saga.
I wonder if Xigbar might have convinced them to go looking for it so it'd be easier for him to find, or perhaps he just knew all along where it is and played along with Xehanorts hunt for it.
Prettymuch. I mean it's better than them failing again, but at the same time it's a real bummer.
With that said though it might be setting up for them to be some of the darknesses/be allied with them in the next game and if that involves the princesses of heart again we could get a semi-redux of KH1 with Malificent as one of the main villains (leading into the bigger plot) which I think would be a nice start to the next saga.
*sees intimidating people around box she's been looking for the entire game*
Maleficent: "I-it's not like I really wanted it that bad I'll just come back later."
The sheer amount of utter disgust dripping over that line gives me life, lol.
Its fun,has fun worlds and I get to go on a cool riku adventure and has tweeny characters in it
TERRA helps you during the fight if you do the reaction command correctly. The guardian actively tries to keep you from reaching Terra.
Luxord says that he was told the Black Box contains "hope" during his segment in The Caribbean.
TBH I don't think it looks bad at all."Sora, Donald, Goofy, it's me, your old pal Genie."
O_o
The theatrical stage productions of Aladdin hire actors skilled at improv for the Genie role and it was a huge missed opportunity for the movie.
EDIT: Also, I am so damn happy that Agrabah was left out of KH3. That world was played out before they even got to KH2.
EDIT: Also, I am so damn happy that Agrabah was left out of KH3. That world was played out before they even got to KH2.
Gameplay-story segregation meaning gameplay isn't canon to the story.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation
Like Sora pirate shipping Anti-Aqua.
I do think Terra = Guardian is set up at the end of BBS. Terranort locks out his heart when he shouts to Terra to get out his heat and the Guardian immediately appears and melts behind him
If we were to think of gameplay as canon well this will makes sense. The Guardian is the darkness in Terra's heart.
The cool thing about the Terra-Guardian moment in KH III is that it's Terra controlling and using the darkness in his heart to beat Terranort. Something that he was afraid of.
No reason to assume that anything shown in battle is explicitly non-canon, though. Dive into Heart has a lot of scenes of Sora mid-battle and characters tend to still have all those powers outside of them - Xemnas does his dome laser thing in a cutscene in 3.
I totally buy that (at least as of BBS) they were setting up Terra = Guardian. I just don't think it's a very satisfying way that they retconned it.