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Unreal Engine 5.1 getting On-demand shader compilation and Automated PSO gathering
- Thread starter Jamrock User
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this needs to be included in OP as Nanite in foliage has been like one of the TOP features people have asked for
Yeah the Nanite trees are also moving and not static which is really cool. The games at the end of this gen are going to look bananasā¦
on skinned Nanite meshes, I've seen a dev say that Nanite's software rasterization makes it more difficult, while hardware rasterization makes it easier. so I wonder if Epic is making nanite a hybrid to take that into account
video in question
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JEHPvSGaX8
It will make it easier for developers to precompile PSOs which would solve compilation stutters.
The popular idea that all stuttering is happening because of shader compilation only is wrong though.
UE5.1 releases November 29th, with a beta branch September 6th
View: https://youtu.be/GQoSjEii4nk?t=1530
View: https://youtu.be/GQoSjEii4nk?t=1530
I thought posting this here would be the most appropriate. The below twitter thread demonstrates Lumen and Nanite running in VR on UE 5.1, which is extremely impressive.
View: https://twitter.com/iBrews/status/1562543743504244737?s=20&t=LZVpieZYTGVIv5lGGvKWKQ
View: https://twitter.com/iBrews/status/1562543743504244737?s=20&t=LZVpieZYTGVIv5lGGvKWKQ
Thanks for the post. I'm about to start a new VR project soon and have been trying to keep an eye on VR development for UE5. Waiting to see when will be the right time to jump over to 5 for VR.
targeting Lumen at 60 FPS on consoles improvements and PSO / Shader compilation improvements are sweet
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9paHxiFW5_0
Nanite foliage is looking just as good as I dreamed. We may finally see some proper forests in games.
I wanna see a field of Nanite grass too tbh.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9paHxiFW5_0
Nanite foliage is looking just as good as I dreamed. We may finally see some proper forests in games.
I wanna see a field of Nanite grass too tbh.
View: https://twitter.com/mrgefx/status/1578813532153720832?s=20&t=xHwFCqffNZ6CNJUro3iKOA
Hell yeah. That looks impressive even though the video is low bitrate.
Finally got to messing around with this and the results are as good as I dreamed.
Performance is 10 fps higher with Nanite on as well. Give me a Crysis on UE5 now. It's time to kill LODs.
Edit: Whoa, I enabled Nanite for everything and FPS went from around 60 to more then 100fps.
Performance is 10 fps higher with Nanite on as well. Give me a Crysis on UE5 now. It's time to kill LODs.
Edit: Whoa, I enabled Nanite for everything and FPS went from around 60 to more then 100fps.
What about shader compilation stutter? Is it gone? That's the most important part. 100 FPS doesn't mean anything if the game is constantly stopping
If this is in editor, shaders are compiled upon loading the project. The project will have to be compiled into an executable and tested fresh to determine this. And it might still have it because since there's not immediate auto-precompilation step added to ue5 yet
People cheering about 60fps Lumen are in for a rude awakening.
My prediction is that 60fps Lumen will be a massive downgrade from 30fps. Like seriously noticable and those cheering for it will be switching back to 30fps lumen or atleast begging developers to go back to high res static offline lightmaps instead.
My prediction is that 60fps Lumen will be a massive downgrade from 30fps. Like seriously noticable and those cheering for it will be switching back to 30fps lumen or atleast begging developers to go back to high res static offline lightmaps instead.
Why cant they do the same as Detroit: Become Human and just run a 6 min shader compile load screen like so manh others?
Even if it took 30 mins its still better than the alternative and should atleast be an option.
Even if it took 30 mins its still better than the alternative and should atleast be an option.
I'll praise them when I see results in game. Before that point I'll continue to rake them over the coals for ruining a generations worth of pc ports.
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Hyperbole if I ever saw it.
The differences will be so minute that outside of tech analysis channels, nobody will be able to tell the difference, nor care about it.
They are optimizing around the "High" setting for Lumen, rather than the "Epic" setting.
The differences between those 2 in practice are very hard to notice, and one of them gives a significant boost to performance.
The only ones in for a rude awakening are the people who think they know this engine better than the people who built/develop it.
UE Engineers: We will get this running at 60fps on Console, and it will look stunning.
Arm-chair Developers: No you won't.
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Refers to my Comment as Hyperbole and then instantly makes a blatant Hyberbolic statement...ok.
"Optimizing around the high setting" You do know what optimizing means? not only is the high setting aimed at the 30fps mode the epic setting you mentioned is only for PC UE5. By3 optimizing tbe high mode they will be decresing its fidelity. The standard lumen even as is shows some small noticeable shortcoming in certain situations. Those artifacts will become far more recognizable at 60fps. My prediction is very noticable light leaks will acure and it wont be just DF and the like that notice either.
When did I say i knew better than epic? Like what? It was a prediction.
By the way Ive been a pretty big fanboy of Epic since UE3 was announced. Ive always defended them against those making ridiculas claim about there software coming from armchair exsperts who never even made anything in UDK or UE post UE4. My distrust of the quality of console 60fps lumen has everything to do with the lack of power of the consoles and not aimed at UE/Epic.
Unreal Engine 5.1 is now available!
Find out how this latest release makes the groundbreaking feature set released in Unreal Engine 5 more robust, efficient, and versatile.
www.unrealengine.com
It's up !
Does Lumen support different setting per light, or is it an engine-wide switch? You could use the faster version on user-controlled dynamic lights (like a flashlight), and the slower, better version for more static lights like the sun or other fixed artificial lights where the extra time to compute won't really be seen by the player.
curse you, I thought we had a more dedicated thread for UE5.1 so I was late!Unreal Engine 5.1 is now available!
Find out how this latest release makes the groundbreaking feature set released in Unreal Engine 5 more robust, efficient, and versatile.
It's up !
you can control which light contributes to the Lumen RT
I wonder if games that started development on UE 5.0 could easily make the transition to 5.1, or would this be a case where only games that start development in 5.1 will benefit?
Either way, I'm excited to see the massive improvements with Lumen and Nanite. I know the coalition is happy lol.
I wonder how close we are to having skinned meshes using Nanite?
Another random question, with an increasing number of developers moving over to UE, are mesh shaders ever going to be relevant?
Either way, I'm excited to see the massive improvements with Lumen and Nanite. I know the coalition is happy lol.
I wonder how close we are to having skinned meshes using Nanite?
Another random question, with an increasing number of developers moving over to UE, are mesh shaders ever going to be relevant?
if a game is early enough, they could probably move.
I've seen devs say skinned meshes isn't a problem for mesh shaders, don't know about nanite though
and UE5 does use mesh shaders for super-pixel triangles when using nanite
It's not always a straightforward process to upgrade engine versions, but going up one minor version isn't usually a big deal.
In theory, not a huge deal. In practice, it's a huge "it depends". End of the day, it's still work - and hinges enormously on how far along something is.
Woo! nice!
Now we just need to make sure devs update their UE versions when these features are available to use.
Now we just need to make sure devs update their UE versions when these features are available to use.
nvidia branch also updated
developer.nvidia.com
Building the Future of Real-Time Graphics with NVIDIA and Unreal Engine 5.1 | NVIDIA Technical Blog
Learn about the Unreal Engine 5.1 release, including next-generation RTX lighting and speed increases to help you keep pace with rigorous development cycles.
developer.nvidia.com
