She is a shitty enough person without that adding to it. All the other characters have serious hangups yet she stands out for how unabashedly critical and self centered she is.
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Unsympathetic main characters :(
- Thread starter grmltr
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Is this a characters you hate thread or characters who act like they dont give a shit about your problems thread?
Not sure what makes her a "shitty person" in Ep. I and II. The only person she's particularly mean to is her brother, to whom she has a complicate relationship because he's emotionally constipated. Other than that, she's very kind to MOMO for example, tries to understand the Commander before he passes on, slams Allen for his racist beliefs, consoles MOMO multiple times and slams Albedo for being a mass-murder who uses people. Oh I guess she's kinda mean to Allen at times, but it's more like indifference than anything. You are supposed to laugh at those scenes anyway.
Different people react to different situations in different ways. The most tragic human character other than Shion is Jr., who was created as a weapon and ironically had someone who understood him at his side for all his life (Nigredo). Shion was 7 years old when her mother, father and nanny were impaled in front of her eyes. After that she never sorted her issues, not even as an adult. Her fiance dies, she finds out the company she works for is behind the latest catastrophes, she is "forced" to think her father worked for the space terrorists and sacrificed her mother for a while, she's dying and her robot-daughter is killing her and she's forced to revisit her childhood and finds out that she's responsible for the death of billions of people and the end of the universe. (And those are the stuff just on the top of my head, let's not get into Almadel or Ep. 1's fun times into the Encephalon)
Yeah, not shit she's being critical and self-centered, it's the whole point of her character! She's mentally ill and not making correct-life choices.
Even the robot gets it.
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Terra is one of the worst characters I've had the unfortunate pleasure of playing as. Everything about him is awful and he is a complete moron that people and yet fans will still defend his stupid decisions.
Either that, or Kratos dies and his kid grows up to be a ball of rage.
Regardless, Kratos is an amazingly shitty character and I can't believe how he just kept getting worse with every game in the original trilogy.
Nora/Nate in Fallout 4. For the first time in their history, Bethesda made me play their way, not my way, which I hated. Let's hope it's the last time, because they're generic as hell.
You're gonna catch heat for this, but I agree with you.
He is an asshole, but the first two games acknowledge this. You're not supposed to like him. Kratos fits right into classic Greek tragedy myths. The problem is GoW3 trying to make him sympathetic and redeemable. There is NOTHING redeemable about Kratos.
Thank you! Shion was a completely sympathetic character to me. Most people seem to hate her, but I like her and her arc.
Fantastic Post. Shion isn't "Likeable" but she is most certainly "understandable" and emotionally complicated in a way that few RPG protagonists even compare.
I generally like playing as horrible ppl. Like I did care about Marcus and the cast of Watch Dogs 2 more than Aiden. But I actually liked Aiden better for that type of game.
I also think I'm gonna like old always angry Kratos better than "im trying to be a family man" Kratos.
I cared about Franklin in GTA V the most but Trevor was the most entertaining and memorable for me.
Prototype guy was pretty bad though. But I guess it fit considering that he was just a parasite that eats ppl. Kinda impossible for him to be sympathetic.
I also think I'm gonna like old always angry Kratos better than "im trying to be a family man" Kratos.
I cared about Franklin in GTA V the most but Trevor was the most entertaining and memorable for me.
Prototype guy was pretty bad though. But I guess it fit considering that he was just a parasite that eats ppl. Kinda impossible for him to be sympathetic.
Man that Tomaru Sawagoe example is something else. Jesus, I googled it and the guy gives Rance (who would very much find a place in this thread) a run for his money.
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I like evil or otherwise unsymathethic characters. The problem is that, well, most of the time they are meant to be sympathethic despite engaing in terrible, abusive and genocidal behaviour.
The most common way this problem shows itself is through the "two hands divide". "On one hand" the character is a murderous sociopath who kills everyone in bloody, compeltely unnecessary manners but "on the other" he cares about X or the guys he kills are supposed to be evil or some other excuse. This kind of split where one good thing is meant to excuse or temperate a character that would be considered a complete monster other way is extremely common in games and nerd media and is one of my most hated writing tropes.
The "second hand" is often some kind of deus ex machina thing like the enemy shooting first so as to protect the purity of the character. All the fun of having a character be a murderer without none of the responsabilities, I guess.
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I like evil or otherwise unsymathethic characters. The problem is that, well, most of the time they are meant to be sympathethic despite engaing in terrible, abusive and genocidal behaviour.
The most common way this problem shows itself is through the "two hands divide". "On one hand" the character is a murderous sociopath who kills everyone in bloody, compeltely unnecessary manners but "on the other" he cares about X or the guys he kills are supposed to be evil or some other excuse. This kind of split where one good thing is meant to excuse or temperate a character that would be considered a complete monster other way is extremely common in games and nerd media and is one of my most hated writing tropes.
The "second hand" is often some kind of deus ex machina thing like the enemy shooting first so as to protect the purity of the character. All the fun of having a character be a murderer without none of the responsabilities, I guess.
That something bad happened to her doesn't change the fact that she is a massive asshole who acts in an abusive manner towards everyone in her life.
Kratos is a piece of shit.
I once wrote an article about how Kratos was not only a dislikable character but it was very bad written and nonsensical.
I received a threat and a "lenghty explanation" of a so called veteran.
I once wrote an article about how Kratos was not only a dislikable character but it was very bad written and nonsensical.
I received a threat and a "lenghty explanation" of a so called veteran.
Yeah that is true. But that doesn't change the fact that people should atleast try to understand what shapes people how they are, why are they acting in a certain way. Since this understanding can lead to help for that person, to change how they are so we would have one asshole less. And also as we are all (most atleast) adults here. The understanding of limited capabilities of kids/teens to deal with a tragedy is paramount. It's not always easy for adults either. Chloe is the way she is because of immense pain. And she herself is the biggest victim of her own behaviour. First and foremost it affects her in a negative way. She isn't evil or bad, she is complex just like the rest of us. She needs help and understanding, not shunning and punishment. She shouldn't be excluded from empathy, she isn't some monster preying on the weak.
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I feel a lot of people don't really make the disctinction between characters that are intentionally written to be shitty people, and just plain shitty characters.
IMO something like the Kane & Lynch games were a good example of this.