The 2010s are largely defined by social media. Memes and becoming viral/popular are part of that. Quality doesn't necessarily matter - just blow up on social media. Not saying I agree or disagree, but I think that is what he means.
Cue the montage of 3rd person adventure gifs where the player rotates the camera slowly to unveil a beautiful vista.Don't worry ERA I'm sure next year a game that leads you gently from cinematic cutscene to cinematic cutscene will win next year.
The 2010s are largely defined by social media. Memes and becoming viral/popular are part of that. Quality doesn't necessarily matter - just blow up on social media. Not saying I agree or disagree, but I think that is what he means.
It was Goat Simulator with good looks and way more polished, basically. GS had way more content though.
Do you genuinely believe that the folks voting for these awards were unable to critically assess the nominees and instead succumbed to the social media presence of Untitled Goose Game?The 2010s are largely defined by social media. Memes and becoming viral/popular are part of that. Quality doesn't necessarily matter - just blow up on social media. Not saying I agree or disagree, but I think that is what he means.
Wonder if the developers ever commented on whether they wanted or expected the game to generate tons of memes when they made it.
Or was it a "I had no idea it would become like this" type of thing.
Cue the montage of 3rd person adventure gifs where the player rotates the camera slowly to unveil a beautiful vista.
But is it a more impressive development feat? Is there no place to argue that an excellent 5-course meal is more deserving the spotlight than an excellent 1-course meal that also has less ingredients? Why is it a problem saying picking the latter is curious?Lean elegance in design is its own art form. I adore Outer Wilds, was praising it when the game was just a student project, but its scale and scope isn't inherently better than Goose's personality-dense homey canvas.
Just because something can be seen as more impressive technically, it doesn't mean it automatically trumps something shorter and less complex. People can have a preference absolutely, but there'a no catch-all.But is it a more impressive development feat? Is there no place to argue that an excellent 5-course meal is more deserving the spotlight than an excellent 1-course meal that also has less ingredients? Why is it a problem saying picking the latter is curious?
If some 'simply good' movie won the Oscars, people would have had the same discussion. Film awards also separate short vs feature-length productions.
Yeah sure, I'll take honking ppl seriouslyA jury prizing "Baba is you" deserves a nomination for the Jury Awards. Honk!
Ah, yes. The general public. A group of people we should all trust.For the general public 2018 is a far, far stronger year. The difference is so big 2019 would barely register.
A thread from the old place I like to reread occasionally is the one when GameSpot gave Demon's Souls their 2009 GOTY. A few comments were made that are hilarious in retrospect with how big From and Souls became. This thread reminds of of that: Plenty of positivity for the original game winning with a nice dose of "UGH, THIS WON OVER XYZ!?"This forum is horrible when it comes to non AAA games winning basically any award.
Congrats on the award!one fascinating thing to me is the conspiracy I've seen on Reddit that we "paid for the memes". I don't even know how one would.. pay for memes
I think it just translates to, "I am growing up extremely skeptical of media and brands, and absolutely do not believe that a true 'thing' can happen naturally without being paid for." But that's what happened! to answer your question, believe me we have a hard time wrapping our head around it all. It's almost beyond comprehension.
Thank you for this game. As I said earlier in the thread, it has become one of the most refreshing and frankly weirdly cathartic games I played in years.one fascinating thing to me is the conspiracy I've seen on Reddit that we "paid for the memes". I don't even know how one would.. pay for memes
I think it just translates to, "I am growing up extremely skeptical of media and brands, and absolutely do not believe that a true 'thing' can happen naturally without being paid for." But that's what happened! to answer your question, believe me we have a hard time wrapping our head around it all. It's almost beyond comprehension.
The thing that really irks me is that Sony developers are notorious for copying famous memes like Leo raising a toast becoming Nate Drake, and other examples like this plugging their characters into them in ways that make no sense.oh yeah? well at least those games aren't memes created by the developer.
Opinions are not inherently disrespectful. UGG is a great game, but in no way would I (and a lot of others based on this thread) consider it anywhere near the top of the list in 2019. That's not inherently a mark against UGG, because on some level i'm happy it won, as it speaks to both the wide breathe of games on the market and the diversity of game experiences (and opinions) they offered in 2019, but that does not mean I personally agree with the verdict. Sekiro's gameplay is the Platonic Ideal for action games. Death Stranding and Control were both more miss than hit, but they are both mastersclasses in presentation and advanced the medium. RE2 was a phenomenal reimagining of one of gaming's most iconic games. I could go on but the point is, i'm not as scandalized UGG won as others, but its a bit dismissive to think there are no valid criticisms to be levied against its victory. I personally don't think UGG advances the medium in any way, nor will it be talked about in 10 years, its just a fun, flash in the pan indie game, and that is perfectly fine.The amount of disrespect to the devs who made this wonderful, fun, clever, polished game is extremely disappointing. Not everything needs to be a 4K, sub-30 FPS visual feast to be deemed worthy of the GOTY award.
Ah, yes. The general public. A group of people we should all trust.
nah pal, you really don't have any way to gauge what was a stronger year besides fortnite and RDR2 saleswise.
but yeah, opinions and all that, no problem in you thinking 2018 was stronger
House House can now look at their DICE GOTY award and confidently say:
one fascinating thing to me is the conspiracy I've seen on Reddit that we "paid for the memes". I don't even know how one would.. pay for memes
I think it just translates to, "I am growing up extremely skeptical of media and brands, and absolutely do not believe that a true 'thing' can happen naturally without being paid for." But that's what happened! to answer your question, believe me we have a hard time wrapping our head around it all. It's almost beyond comprehension.
HahahahaaaaaHouse House can now look at their DICE GOTY award and confidently say:
"finally, we made a game as good as Fallout 4, which beat Bloodborne and The Witcher 3 in 2015"
I guess you wouldn't be talking about Death Stranding then, because no one in their right mind would describe it as an artistic failure.Sometimes a film or game can be superficially simple and small in scope, but be executed with sublime elegance and cleverness. Meanwhile, sometimes a passion project can be huge and ambitious and involve a massive amount of time and money and effort and still be an artistic failure.
I'm speaking more to the folks throwing it in the bin as "meme game". I would say that games that advanced the medium this year were Disco Elysium, Outer Worlds, and Baba is You. You mentioned Death Stranding? Eh, no. Death Stranding was an amalgamation of burden systems from the *last* decade of games, so it's really funny to see you claim that it advanced the medium when it smashed together elements from the past. It also had one of the absolute worst stories I've ever experienced across all mediums. If it is spoken about in 10 years, it will not be positively but rather in a "this got praise?" kind of way.Opinions are not inherently disrespectful. UGG is a great game, but in no way would I (and a lot of others based on this thread) consider it anywhere near the top of the list in 2019. That's not inherently a mark against UGG, because on some level i'm happy it won, as it speaks to both the wide breathe of games on the market and the diversity of game experiences (and opinions) they offered in 2019, but that does not mean I personally agree with the verdict. Sekiro's gameplay is the Platonic Ideal for action games. Death Stranding and Control were both more miss than hit, but they are both mastersclasses in presentation and advanced the medium. RE2 was a phenomenal reimagining of one of gaming's most iconic games. I could go on but the point is, i'm not as scandalized UGG won as others, but its a bit dismissive to think there are no valid criticisms to be levied against its victory. I personally don't think UGG advances the medium in any way, nor will it be talked about in 10 years, its just a fun, flash in the pan indie game, and that is perfectly fine.
I guess you wouldn't be talking about Death Stranding then, because no one in their right mind would describe it as an artistic failure.
one fascinating thing to me is the conspiracy I've seen on Reddit that we "paid for the memes". I don't even know how one would.. pay for memes
I think it just translates to, "I am growing up extremely skeptical of media and brands, and absolutely do not believe that a true 'thing' can happen naturally without being paid for." But that's what happened! to answer your question, believe me we have a hard time wrapping our head around it all. It's almost beyond comprehension.
The thing that really irks me is that Sony developers are notorious for copying famous memes like Leo raising a toast becoming Nate Drake, and other examples like this plugging their characters into them in ways that make no sense.
It's the laziest form of imitation being flattery.
I love when people ask for citations while making their own baseless claims without citations - "the obligation is yours! My claims are verified by God (myself)!". That's not how arguments work mate.
No, it isn't a fact that "many people who use goose memes didnt play it" and i didn't claim it, it's impossible to quantify that - that's not what i called a fact, but "goose's widespread recognition is more thanks to the memes than its originality", which i stand behind and also don't have how to quantify. Neither you.
one fascinating thing to me is the conspiracy I've seen on Reddit that we "paid for the memes". I don't even know how one would.. pay for memes
I think it just translates to, "I am growing up extremely skeptical of media and brands, and absolutely do not believe that a true 'thing' can happen naturally without being paid for." But that's what happened! to answer your question, believe me we have a hard time wrapping our head around it all. It's almost beyond comprehension.
oh yeah? well at least those games aren't memes created by the developer.
Sure, why not? It was a cute game, unique, and very memorable.
Ah, yes. The general public. A group of people we should all trust.
A thread from the old place I like to reread occasionally is the one when GameSpot gave Demon's Souls their 2009 GOTY. A few comments were made that are hilarious in retrospect with how big From and Souls became. This thread reminds of of that: Plenty of positivity for the original game winning with a nice dose of "UGH, THIS WON OVER XYZ!?"
These will always be cringeworthy. Like for all those claiming HouseHouse only got popular thanks to memes they were never this desperate to have their game in the zeitgeist
do you seriously care about how many ingredients are used in your food over how good it tastes? when you go out to eat do you honestly stop your server to ask "excuse me? what on the menu has the most ingredients?"But is it a more impressive development feat? Is there no place to argue that an excellent 5-course meal is more deserving the spotlight than an excellent 1-course meal that also has less ingredients? Why is it a problem saying picking the latter is curious?
If some 'simply good' movie won the Oscars, people would have had the same discussion. Film awards also separate short vs feature-length productions.
sony makes serious, goty-quality games though. they don't spend man hours churning out memes for social media and game media websites to carry within a week of the game's release. if they did that, then obviously the only reason people knew about those games would be due to the memes they put out into the world themselves and not the quality of the game and the word of mouth that came with it.