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Deleted member 3345

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is an adopt a user post:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...st-but-cant-or-the-adopt-a-user-program.2890/

Btw, that's not me. Saw it on FB--Imgur and thought it was worth a read/discussion. How cheap health is for Australian via medicare versus the shenanigans in the US.



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Had a tiny lump about the size of a peppercorn in my the skin of my scrotum for months, but I neglected to do anything about it. Having lived in the US up till 2008, I'm just used to not going to getting things looked unless it went critical. Last week it suddenly started swelling up, to the size of a pea. The next day, a small marble. I set an appointment with my GP, the earliest available one being two days off. The next day, it was the size of a very large grape and at that point, quite painful. Off to the ER I went. After a wait of 4 hours, I was brought into a procedure room, where I was examined other doctors brought in, and was told immediately that I'd be scheduled for surgery. They had me in a ward within 20 minutes, and began pumping me full of anti-biotics. The next morning, they had me prepped and the anesthesiologist asked me if I would prefer to be sedated with a mixture of ketamine and other fine drugs, or epidural. I've had an epidural before. That did not go well. IV cocktail it is. In a matter of minutes from there, I was on the table, and doped up while the fine doctors fondled, sliced, and squeezed my testiclats behind this curtain over my chest. I never felt a thing. I barely recall being moved to my bed and rolled out of theatre into a room while they monitored my vitals as I was coming out of sedation. I was made to stay another night for more antibiotics being pumped in while they looked after me. The next day, the nurses did a repack and bandaging. From there, it was a matter of getting me scripts and arranging for a care nurse that will come to my home everyday for the next month and deal with dressings until it's no longer needed. I signed all of two documents on my way out. One agreeing to follow the rules for aftercare, and one for medicare saying that they would be covering my surgery. On the way out, I had to hit the pharmacy. This is the only thing I paid out of pocket for. As I said in the title, I am not used to this. Even when I was paying for healthcare back in 2004 in the US, I wasn't looked after as well as I was here. This procedure would have broken me financially at any time, regardless of whether I had coverage or not. It's things like this that make it hard for me to justify moving back to the US. My wife has expressed exactly zero interest in moving there with public healthcare being so far behind the rest of the developed world. I couldn't agree more. I am immensely grateful to be living here, not even yet a citizen, and still. This is the norm for people here, while in the US, our government treats it like some sort of pipe-dream that is fiscally untenable. Moving outside of the US has been such an eye-opening experience, and has put so much new perspective on US politics as well as exposing me to its' effect upon the rest of the world. I don't mean to be preachy, but I cannot stress enough the value of having healthcare and knowing that it will not bankrupt you in the event of an emergency. I only hope that one day, the US implements a single payer program. No one should have to suffer needlessly at the expense of a lifetime of debt. Thank you, Australia. I am happy to help pay into a system where this is what you get in return.​
 
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Taurus Silver

Big ol' Nerd
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Oct 29, 2017
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The US has a shitty healthcare system and the GOP wants to make it worse.

Glad everything is okay with you, hope your recovery goes smoothly.

Oh hospital drugs are the best drugs.
 

gosublime

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Oct 25, 2017
6,432
My mate's wife is American and when she first moved over here they had some heated discussions about the health system in the U.K. - she's since had two children in the country and the discussions have changed to how amazing the system is.
 

Blackpuppy

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,204
American living in France here: ain't no way I'll move back unless healthcare changes or I become filthy rich.
 

CellarDoor

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Oct 27, 2017
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Americans give up basic human rights to subsidize the lifestyles of the 1%.
They subsidise their military expenditure rather than basic healthcare. And frankly that's the way millions of Americans want it. Given the choice between a universal healthcare and a multi Trillion dollar Military apparatus, they chose the latter.

There's a reason why there is very little genuine debate about military expenditure, beyond a few murmurs here and there.
 

ronaldthump

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
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Oct 27, 2017
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Btw, that's not me. Saw it on FB--Imgur and thought it was worth a read/discussion. How cheap health is for Australian via medicare versus the shenanigans in the US.
 

Puroresu_kid

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Oct 28, 2017
9,465
Truly amazes me how anyone can think the US Healthcare model is good.

The tory government over here gladly wants to kill the NHS and privatize.
 

BarryAllen

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Oct 25, 2017
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The thing is in these universial health care countries? Does everyone get good doctors or bad doctors? You can't compare a doctor in New York City manhattan to one in the Bronx.
 

Blackpuppy

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Oct 28, 2017
4,204
The thing is in these universial health care countries? Does everyone get good doctors or bad doctors? You can't compare a doctor in New York City manhattan to one in the Bronx.

In France you can choose your doctor. Just find a number, call up and schedule an appointment. Voilà.

If you have a bad experience, go to another one.
 

lunarworks

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Oct 25, 2017
22,169
Toronto
They subsidise their military expenditure rather than basic healthcare. And frankly that's the way millions of Americans want it. Given the choice between a universal healthcare and a multi Trillion dollar Military apparatus, they chose the latter.

There's a reason why there is very little genuine debate about military expenditure, beyond a few murmurs here and there.
The United States spends nearly as much as Canada, per capita, on programs like Medicare. The real problem is that the American medical industry is designed, from top-to-bottom, to develop profits.
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
3,690
Beware the forces here in Australia that want to weaken and privatise the Universal Care system we have, namely, the Liberal and National parties.
 

Shadybiz

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Oct 27, 2017
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They subsidise their military expenditure rather than basic healthcare. And frankly that's the way millions of Americans want it. Given the choice between a universal healthcare and a multi Trillion dollar Military apparatus, they chose the latter.

There's a reason why there is very little genuine debate about military expenditure, beyond a few murmurs here and there.

Yeah that's a lot of it. People like to say that if we had universal healthcare, our taxes would skyrocket. While they would indeed go up, they wouldn't have to go up AS much, if we weren't spending around $619B per year on the military. Obviously I agree that we need SOME military spending, but do we REALLY need to spend more than most other countries combined?? They also conveniently forget that if we had universal healthcare, we would no longer have to pay for employer-sponsored plans, which would save a good deal for most.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...countries-spending-most-on-military/12491639/
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
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How are these universal healthcares funded? Is this sustainable?

Through taxes. Australia spends about 9.3% of GDP on total healthcare costs to have Universal care. It's cheaper than what the US does currently, which is over 17% of GDP (from memory). It's the sad joke of private healthcare championed in the US: Universal Public Healthcare is vastly cheaper besides being vastly better.

I love paying taxes, personally.
 

Rand a. Thor

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Oct 31, 2017
10,213
Greece
This is why I want to bash my head against the wall anytime someone who learns about my dual citizenship tells me to leave for the states. Yes, Greece is a financial and political dump right now, but I still have some rights and so will my children. I can live easily off my 800-1000 euro paycheck, while having annual healthcare at a fraction of the price, and going back to the states would make that impossible.
 

Oliver James

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Oct 25, 2017
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Through taxes. Australia spends about 9.3% of GDP on total healthcare costs to have Universal care. It's cheaper than what the US does currently, which is over 17% of GDP (from memory). It's the sad joke of private healthcare championed in the US: Universal Public Healthcare is vastly cheaper besides being vastly better.

I love paying taxes, personally.
It's things like these that makes me want to run for politics. Thanks for the answer!
 

TaterTots

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Oct 27, 2017
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I was paying a ridiculous amount of money for health insurance at my previous job. It gutted my check, but was cheaper than ACA options for me. It was about 100 bucks a pay check. If the U.S. were to adopt a similar system, would I be paying considerably less than that for taxes or would it be more?
 

Vern

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Oct 26, 2017
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I am an American and lived in Australia for about 2.5 years, I left in 2009, so nearly a decade ago.

I remember I went to the doctor on two occasions. First, my american gf had a urinary tract infection. She paid 10$ to see the doctor and get some antibiotics. I remember clearly because I was in such shock at the cost, or lack of.

Second I went for a general exam in order to get a drivers license. I don't remember what it cost, but I do remember it was more then 10$. Maybe 25$ or so? Doesn't matter, was essentially free. Wish I could live there again solely because of health care (and golden gaytimes).
 

Darth Karja

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just got a bill for $163 for a normal teeth cleaning. The bill was from my Dental Insurance company. They said my dental insurance didn't cover dental services. US Healthcare even fucks over people with insurance.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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The best thing Donald Trump said was praising Australia's health care system. Wish journalists and politicians would remind him (and everyone) of that statement every single day.
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
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I was paying a ridiculous amount of money for health insurance at my previous job. It gutted my check, but was cheaper than ACA options for me. It was about 100 bucks a pay check. If the U.S. were to adopt a similar system, would I be paying considerably less than that for taxes or would it be more?

It should be less because every other Western country pays significantly less than the US does with their Universal systems. However, the US health system would need to have significant reform and you get into incredibly complicated issues quickly. However, here's something to consider: if it is funded through taxes, then the system becomes progressive in the way it is paid for. You won't pay what you can't afford. You only pay if you have the means to pay. If you lose your job, if your income lowers, then your taxes lower with them; all the while you get the same healthcare. It's a much fairer and more humane system.
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
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Yea but how does it feel to live under the boot of socialism, op?? In america we clap after dinner and by God we want our insurance CEOs to make $50 million a year at our expense.

glad to hear positive experience and result
 

shadowkat

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Oct 25, 2017
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How are these universal healthcares funded? Is this sustainable?
Through taxes. Canada has had universal healthcare for decades. And while there are problems and it could improve, I gladly pay higher taxes if it means I keep my universal healthcare. When my uncle had surgery, was in ICU for 6 weeks, regular hospital ward for 3, rehab for 3 and had home care nurses for 6 weeks after he got home the only thing we paid for was parking at the hospital. Which to be fair is usually ridiculous.
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
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Dentistry is still pretty expensive in Australia since it's not covered by Medicare.

Yes, dentistry is the one part of the Australian health system that is like the US. It is mostly private with some public services only for people with very low incomes. As a consequence, it is very expensive and you need private insurance. This is the current battle. A little while ago the public system was expanded to cover all children; it needs to be folded into the overall Medicare system but we get the same fight from the private industry as Americans get from theirs. Too much money to be made. I'm confident it will happen though.
 

frankenstrat

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Oct 27, 2017
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Stuff like this is the reason I eventually want to become an expatriate. When my fiancee and I get old, we need to not get fucked by medical costs, and I am willing to move elsewhere in the meantime to prevent it.
 

Jom

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Oct 25, 2017
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But OP if you had a capitalist system instead of a socialist one you could have maybe paid for it all and still had extra money left over...

...Is what half of the country here would say.
 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was paying a ridiculous amount of money for health insurance at my previous job. It gutted my check, but was cheaper than ACA options for me. It was about 100 bucks a pay check. If the U.S. were to adopt a similar system, would I be paying considerably less than that for taxes or would it be more?

More. Government is legally prohibited from basic capitalism - negotiations on price are forbidden by law written by providers and pharmaceutical. It would be funny if it didn't actually kill thousands of people every year.
 

Bob Beat

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Oct 25, 2017
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How are these universal healthcares funded? Is this sustainable?

Since their is one entity, they cut back on expenses. A good government will use evidence based medicine and cut out the crap. We've seen drug companies sell the rights to a medicine to another company, then the next company jacks up the price. That was Pharma Bro's thing.

They can set the price, push any amount of marketing in it and just set the price. A single payer is harder to manipulate. There is no other competition. And they can lower the price. Same with other care. It's what currently happens but not at a national scale but one entity. If you have surgery, your insurance gives the doctor a set fee and nothing changes if you need more care. If you see the doctor once or 15 times, in the post operative period, they are paid a flat fee.

But many things need to change for this to work in the US. Colleges push up their fees and leave everyone in debt. Many doctors start with 6 figure debts and it can double to closer to half a million if you start off. 200k for college and 200k for med school? The outcome is doctor's feeling pressure before getting licensed. Hospitals now charge more for administration than ever before. So, as you get your care, you are paying for the doctor but a ton of administrators, as well. And we've already talked about prescription drugs.

Single payor likely means everyone gets less of a cut. And it's not doctors taking the majority. You are fighting the pharmaceutical lobby, hospital lobby, universities and the explosion of educational costs and probably a few nursing unions. The government pays for doctors training. That's federal funding. A resident is paid 50k for several years but federal funds pays a lot more.

So a lot of people have a stake and bias in keeping the system the way it is. But it's unsustainable. Too many old people and without cut backs, it will eat away at our GDP.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2017/02/16/spending-growth

That link says 1/4 of our GDP will be used for healthcare by 2025.