US Midterm Elections 2018 |OT| Babs is Surging

Oct 25, 2017
6,690
Ann Arbor, MI
Beto would appeal to a cross-section of Democrats and the general public.
None of the other candidates have the charisma.
Hes basically the white Obama lol.



*vomits* I bet she will run, hope to god not but I bet she does. And when shitbag gets 4 more years...she will eye 24
Stop. This is nonsense. Mark Penn is a troll who Clinton cut ties with and hasn't spoken to in over a decade because he wanted her to emrbace racist attack on Obama. She is not running. He is is a troll trying to stir trouble.

He just wants attention.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Beto seems far more useful as a Senate candidate in 2020 than a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate.

There are a lot of good democrat Presidential contenders, and that's before election season. What needs to be concentrated on is supporting and maintaining strong Senate contenders, because control over it is likely going to come down to one or two seats, and a democrat President's power to enact an agenda is going to be reliant on controlling Congress. Texas needs to be in play.

Additionally, another passionate Beto Senate ticket in 2020 would once again help carry TX House seats and other local democratic candidates.
 

DTC

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Oct 25, 2017
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Beto seems far more useful as a Senate candidate in 2020 than a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate.

There are a lot of good democrat Presidential contenders, and that's before election season. What needs to be concentrated on is supporting and maintaining strong Senate contenders, because control over it is likely going to come down to one or two seats, and a democrat President's power to enact an agenda is going to be reliant on controlling Congress. Texas needs to be in play.

Additionally, another passionate Beto Senate ticket in 2020 would once again help carry TX House seats and other local democratic candidates.
I don't think the presidential field is strong at all. It's better than 2016, but that's not saying much. TX Senate isn't in play unless the dem presidential candidate is easily winning.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Utah
Beto seems far more useful as a Senate candidate in 2020 than a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate.

There are a lot of good democrat Presidential contenders, and that's before election season. What needs to be concentrated on is supporting and maintaining strong Senate contenders, because control over it is likely going to come down to one or two seats, and a democrat President's power to enact an agenda is going to be reliant on controlling Congress. Texas needs to be in play.

Additionally, another passionate Beto Senate ticket in 2020 would once again help carry TX House seats and other local democratic candidates.
Cornyn seems to be pretty safe in his seat given his approval numbers, position in Senate leadership, and margin of victory in past elections. Now I understand he is a boring candidate that may not be able to match the enthusiasm Beto has but I think if Beto ran again for Texas Senate against Cornyn he would lose and honestly that would probably kill has career in public office. I think the Democrats should try to find another candidate in Texas that can garner enthusiasm because we need one in the presidential race.
 
Jun 1, 2018
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I'm kind of two minds on Beto. I personally think that lack of experience is legit complaint, but when compared to Trump he's overqualified... I guess I wouldn't mind if he ran. A good and tough primary would be great here (as long as Bernie doesn't run and party stays united afterwards)
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,831
Dallas, TX
Beto seems far more useful as a Senate candidate in 2020 than a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate.

There are a lot of good democrat Presidential contenders, and that's before election season. What needs to be concentrated on is supporting and maintaining strong Senate contenders, because control over it is likely going to come down to one or two seats, and a democrat President's power to enact an agenda is going to be reliant on controlling Congress. Texas needs to be in play.

Additionally, another passionate Beto Senate ticket in 2020 would once again help carry TX House seats and other local democratic candidates.
This is also big. Last I checked, Dems need to pick up 8 TX house seats to split that chamber 50/50, which would have huge gerrymandering implications. That’s the same number of seats they grabbed this time around, and lines up pretty neatly with the number they lost by only low single digits. Having Beto in the state full-time is huge for those candidates for lower office.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,690
Ann Arbor, MI
Beto seems far more useful as a Senate candidate in 2020 than a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate.
Running for senate in 2020 is career suicide. Cornyn is far more popular than Cruz was. Cornyn is quite popular in Texas. He would have no chance in that senate race. Beto is already reaching out to party allies for a 2020 presidential run so its not like he'd run fo that senate race anyway. Its a mute point.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is also big. Last I checked, Dems need to pick up 8 TX house seats to split that chamber 50/50, which would have huge gerrymandering implications. That’s the same number of seats they grabbed this time around, and lines up pretty neatly with the number they lost by only low single digits. Having Beto in the state full-time is huge for those candidates for lower office.
Actually it's less - they got 12 this go-round.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,690
Ann Arbor, MI
Cornyn is far more popular than Cruz was. Beto's team is already reaching out to party allies about a 2020 presidential run per NYT.

Beto running for senate again is not on the table and really not even worth talking about at this point.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,831
Dallas, TX
Cornyn is far more popular than Cruz was. Beto's team is already reaching out to party allies about a 2020 presidential run per NYT.

Beto running for senate again is not on the table and really not even worth talking about at this point.
Beto didn’t really overperform other races in the state at all though. It was a pretty straightforward partisan shift across the state. Cornyn is vulnerable so long as the blue shift continues apace. The only race that didn’t move as much was the governorship, because Valdez didn’t seriously contest it, and convincing Beto to take the shot at Cornyn is worth it to avoid the risk of an untested, Valdez-tier candidate doing it instead.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Let's hope it holds! More blue!!
In a less talked about state, NM just turned completely blue.


They have been counting these votes all last week. It is unique because the bottom half of New Mexico has always been red. Most of the blue votes are coming from the county where the University is located.

NYTimes: NOV. 12, 2018, 11:35 AM ET
Xochitl Torres Small has won the election, according to A.P.

Candidate Party Votes Pct.
Xochitl Torres Small Democrat 99,441 50.7%
Yvette Herrell Republican 96,715 49.3
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Beto didn’t really overperform other races in the state at all though. It was a pretty straightforward partisan shift across the state. Cornyn is vulnerable so long as the blue shift continues apace. The only race that didn’t move as much was the governorship, because Valdez didn’t seriously contest it, and convincing Beto to take the shot at Cornyn is worth it to avoid the risk of an untested, Valdez-tier candidate doing it instead.
On the ground here - Beto literally carried entire countries over the top from going Red -> Blue at a county wide office level.

That wouldn't happen without him at the top of the ticket.

Ted Cruz is historically unlikable. There won't be a similar trend with Cornyn, unless anti Trump fever actually increases (which I only see with a bad economy).
 

Xe4

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Oct 25, 2017
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In a less talked about state, NM just turned completely blue.


They have been counting these votes all last week. It is unique because the bottom half of New Mexico has always been red. Most of the blue votes are coming from the county where the University is located.

NYTimes: NOV. 12, 2018, 11:35 AM ET
Torres Small was called on Thursday, I believe. As a New Mexico resident this makes me super proud, as the last time this happened was in 2008. Glad Yvette Herrell didn't get elected, she was a fucking nutcase. NM State really saved our asses in the south, lol

I'm kind of two minds on Beto. I personally think that lack of experience is legit complaint, but when compared to Trump he's overqualified... I guess I wouldn't mind if he ran. A good and tough primary would be great here (as long as Bernie doesn't run and party stays united afterwards)
I dunno if I'd call 6 years as a US representative a lack of experience. Yeah, he was never a senator or governor, but that's pretty much out of play right now in Texas, so requiring that seems to me a bit like gatekeeping on the part of blue states.

Besides, newcomers do better as there's less to attack them with and they're seen as less of an "insider". Obama is a good example of that. He had no more experience than Beto does now, for example.
 
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Nov 7, 2017
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Beto seems far more useful as a Senate candidate in 2020 than a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate.

There are a lot of good democrat Presidential contenders, and that's before election season. What needs to be concentrated on is supporting and maintaining strong Senate contenders, because control over it is likely going to come down to one or two seats, and a democrat President's power to enact an agenda is going to be reliant on controlling Congress. Texas needs to be in play.

Additionally, another passionate Beto Senate ticket in 2020 would once again help carry TX House seats and other local democratic candidates.
If he didn't beat Cruz I doubt he'll beat Cornyn.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If he didn't beat Cruz I doubt he'll beat Cornyn.
It's a very valid concern, but we don't know what the climate of 2020 will be, either, after two more years of Trump (and by extension his loyalist GOP) flailing under House and Special Council scrutiny. The Democratic base could be more energized than in 2018, and the Republican base could be depressed. Impossible to call now.

Even in loss, Beto's state-wide strategy and coat tail effect strongly assisted turning Texas into a purpler, more viable battleground.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,690
Ann Arbor, MI
It's a very valid concern, but we don't know what the climate of 2020 will be, either, after two more years of Trump (and by extension his loyalist GOP) flailing under House and Special Council scrutiny. The Democratic base could be more energized than in 2018, and the Republican base could be depressed. Impossible to call now.

Even in loss, Beto's state-wide strategy and coat tail effect strongly assisted turning Texas into a purpler, more viable battleground.
I mean we already know he isn't running for senate in 2020 so it doesn't matter lol. His advisors are already prepping for a 2020 presidential bid.
 

Xe4

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also, Gillum is currently under investigation by the for corruption and misuse. Regardless of the merits of said investigation (and I do think there's substance there regardless of whether or not Gillum was personally involved) it's a bad look for a presidential candidate. He should run by all means, but it's something people should keep in mind, as it may be one of the reasons he lost in Florida.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'd bet on Harris over Beto. Trump would dominate the airwaves with his "my opponent is a LOSER" shtick, and alt-right trolls on social media would make Bet*a* a meme or something

Whatever he could throw at Harris would be old hat, relatively.
I like Harris over Beto too, but I wonder. The danger with her is that Trump isn't like other politicians. He'll hit her on her past and hit her hard and often. The president has zero class and he hates women in particular.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I like Harris over Beto too, but I wonder. The danger with her is that Trump isn't like other politicians. He'll hit her on her past and hit her hard and often. The president has zero class and he hates women in particular.
Yea and that resulted in white women voting democratic for the first time in history this cycle. Expose his biggest weakness.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,690
Ann Arbor, MI
Trump lost to Cruz in Texas as well. And it wasn’t even close. Beto did a lot better against Cruz than Trump did. So he would have a pretty easy comeback. That and the Abe Lincoln card.

Trump is going to give whoever the nominee is a nickname anyway. No one should be worrying about that. No matter who it is he will give them a dumb nickname.

Betos advantage is the media loves him, they love showing his rallies even in just a senate race. Trump won’t dominate the news cycle against Beto.

I really think people are underplaying how huge it would be to have someone with more of a celebrity it factor, bigger rallies, and more media attention.

Trumps strength is how he dominates the media. Beto could kill that advantage. If you steal the media limelight from Trump I think he gets crushed.
 
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Anthony Mooch

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Legit 2020 people are
Harris, booker, Beto unless everyone agrees to have him as VP, Gavin Newsom,

Nobody over 70 who looks like they could die a year into office
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Beto has the power to get people who feel alienated from politics excited. I hope he is working right now to do what he needs to do to be our president. After Trump, anything is possible.
 
This was my line of thinking. Stupidly I was looking at the current line of crappy candidates, including Bernie. Beto surpasses all of then honestly
I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primaries but, honestly, O'Rourke is everything Sanders supporters have been wanting.
Sanders' age and perplexing propensity to say and do insensitive things toward the black community make him an unviable candidate in the future.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,690
Ann Arbor, MI
A lot of Bernies appeal was he was the only non-Hillary option. That not being the case leaves very little base of support for him. If you were with Bernie because he was left of Hillary well guess what you have a ton of options now. If you were with Bernie because you wanted to be part of a movement well you have Beto now. Bernie doesn't stand out in a field like this.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A lot of Bernies appeal was he was the only non-Hillary option. That not being the case leaves very little base of support for him. If you were with Bernie because he was left of Hillary well guess what you have a ton of options now. If you were with Bernie because you wanted to be part of a movement well you have Beto now. Bernie doesn't stand out in a field like this.
He's better off using his current influence to endorse and campaign for someone that he likes the best and then getting some sort of job in an administration if they win
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,604
Lima, Peru
I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primaries but, honestly, O'Rourke is everything Sanders supporters have been wanting.
Sanders' age and perplexing propensity to say and do insensitive things toward the black community make him an unviable candidate in the future.
Pretty much, Im willing to sacrifice some of Bernie's more progressive policies in exchange for a younger and less racially problematic candidate
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Beto definitely has to be at the very least involved in whatever Democrat ticket is finalized for 2020. I'm skeptical he'd be at the top of the ticket but I would certainly vote it regardless.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I really think you're all sleeping on the Gollum vote. He's persistent enough to clinch it. He knows what's precious. I think he'd have the Hobbit vote on lock.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A lot of Bernies appeal was he was the only non-Hillary option. That not being the case leaves very little base of support for him. If you were with Bernie because he was left of Hillary well guess what you have a ton of options now. If you were with Bernie because you wanted to be part of a movement well you have Beto now. Bernie doesn't stand out in a field like this.
The NYT piece seemed to indicate that Bernie is not a sure thing to run.