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rjinaz

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For the record, Beto has stated more than once he is not going to run. In fact 6 days ago on MSNBC he said he will not be a candidate in 2020 and he's not sure how he could make it more clear.

As much as I want to see him run, I don't think he will. Which is a damn shame especially since right now is his best chance at it.
 

Xe4

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Hope and change will always win over fear and status quo - that's the lesson 2008 cemented.

Trump lost the advantage of being an outsider. He'll be in a weaker spot than he was in 2016.
I hope. The thing that worries me is the economy being so good right now will make people turn a blind eye to some of Trump's shit.
 

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For the record, Beto has stated more than once he is not going to run. In fact 6 days ago on MSNBC he said he will not be a candidate in 2020 and he's not sure how he could make it more clear.

As much as I want to see him run, I don't think he will. Which is a damn shame especially since right now is his best chance at it.
That was before he lost. He's running
 

Daitokuji

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Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2016 and is less popular now than then. If the Dems run a solid alternative to Trump, they will win. Beto is one such alternative.
 

Roytheone

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Wouldn't Beto running against trump actually mean his most recent election was one he won, namely the primary? An often said wisdom in politics is that only your most recent result counts.
 

rjinaz

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Wouldn't Beto running against trump actually mean his most recent election was one he won, namely the primary? An often said wisdom in politics is that only your most recent result counts.
It's interesting because Hilary lost the first time, and I don't remember people saying a loser shouldn't run. I mean I'm sure people did, but, I don't remember that being a popular talking point.
 

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It's his only shot. He won't have the same momentum in 2024 if Trump wins re-election or 2028 if a Dem wins in 2020. He's completely out of government now. He has to run now or never. He is smart enough to know that.
It's the Obama situation in 2006 all over again. He was only in senate for 2 years but his window could close so he had to take the chance .
 

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For the record, Beto has stated more than once he is not going to run. In fact 6 days ago on MSNBC he said he will not be a candidate in 2020 and he's not sure how he could make it more clear.

As much as I want to see him run, I don't think he will. Which is a damn shame especially since right now is his best chance at it.
I think he was saying this to insure voters that if he won he wouldn't be Ted Cruz. Now that he lost all bets are off.
 

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Wouldn't Beto running against trump actually mean his most recent election was one he won, namely the primary? An often said wisdom in politics is that only your most recent result counts.
Except Nixon won after losing the presidency and then losing a governors race. Hillary was the nominee in 16 after having lost her most recent race.

Reagan lost in 76 before running again in 80 and winning.

No one cares about this stuff.
 

rjinaz

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I think he was saying this to insure voters that if he won he wouldn't be Ted Cruz. Now that he lost all bets are off.
He said that he promised his kids that he'd spend more time with them after these last 2 tiring years of running. His 3 kids are very young.

I think that would be the one reason he would say no more than anything. Not that he couldn't tell his kids he changed his mind, mind you.
 

DTC

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Beto is the best dem presidential candidate that can actually make it through a primary
 

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He said that he promised his kids that he'd spend more time with them after these last 2 tiring years of running. His 3 kids are very young.

I think that would be the one reason he would say no more than anything. Not that he couldn't tell his kids he changed his mind, mind you.
His staff is already making moves for a potential 2020 run NYT is reporting.

That was just talk so Texas wouldn't think he would run off and run for President if he won like Cruz did. As his national profile grew he had to say things to reassure them to not hold his new found national movement against him because of Cruz.
 

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I'd bet on Harris over Beto. Trump would dominate the airwaves with his "my opponent is a LOSER" shtick, and alt-right trolls on social media would make Bet*a* a meme or something

Whatever he could throw at Harris would be old hat, relatively.
 

RiPPn

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He said that he promised his kids that he'd spend more time with them after these last 2 tiring years of running. His 3 kids are very young.

I think that would be the one reason he would say no more than anything. Not that he couldn't tell his kids he changed his mind, mind you.
I may just be trying to convince myself he will run.

I'd bet on Harris over Beto. Trump would dominate the airwaves with his "my opponent is a LOSER" shtick, and alt-right trolls on social media would make Bet*a* a meme or something

Whatever he could throw at Harris would be old hat, relatively.
Harris isn't exciting though, plus she is more corporate than progressives will like.
 

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He said that he promised his kids that he'd spend more time with them after these last 2 tiring years of running. His 3 kids are very young.

I think that would be the one reason he would say no more than anything. Not that he couldn't tell his kids he changed his mind, mind you.

Of he got into the white house and spent just 20% of the "Trump executive time" he would be spending more time with his kids than most fathers.
 

rjinaz

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His staff is already making moves for a potential 2020 run alread NYT is reporting.

That was just talk so Texas wouldn't think he would run off and run for President if he won like Cruz did. As his national profile grew he had to say things to reassure them to not hold his new found national movement against him because of Cruz.
I hope I'm wrong and it was just "campaign strategy".
I think Beto is the best possible option for 2020 hands down.
 

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The fact his staff is reaching out to party allies about scaling up his operation for a 2020 run is a lot more telling than what he said before the actual 2018 race he was trying to reassure voters he wouldn't just immediately bolt and run for President on if he won.
 

Xe4

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I'd bet on Harris over Beto. Trump would dominate the airwaves with his "my opponent is a LOSER" shtick, and alt-right trolls on social media would make Bet*a* a meme or something

Whatever he could throw at Harris would be old hat, relatively.
I bet it's a lot easier to get alt right trolls to bully an Indian-Jamaican woman than a white dude from Texas.

Not that we should be determining our candidate on how easily they are caricatured. Choose who represents what is best in America, not who is least likely to be slandered.
 

rjinaz

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Of he got into the white house and spent just 20% of the "Trump executive time" he would be spending more time with his kids than most fathers.
Damn ain't that the truth. Campaigning again for 18 months or whatever will be brutal though. Plus, unlike much of his competition, he no longer has a platform from currently having a job in office.
 

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I wonder if he's stupid enough to mock Beto's name? Burrito Beto or some stupid shit.
Here is what I am most curious about. Trump is obsessed with crowd sizes. Betos dwarfed Trumps just as a senate nominee. He would pack huge stadiums as a Presidential nominee.

That would drive Trump INSANE.

Beto would probably just bring up the fact Trump lost to Cruz in Texas as well. And by way more than Beto did. He has an easy comeback.
 

tgrfawcett

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Does anyone have a link to the NYT story about Beto 2020?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/us/politics/democrats-2020-president.html

Relevant quotes:

But liberals in the party point to the performance of Mr. O'Rourke, who eschewed the traditional rules for running as a Texas Democrat and campaigned as a freewheeling, unapologetic progressive. Having raised more than $69 million and come within three points of defeating Mr. Cruz, Mr. O'Rourke and some of his top advisers called allies this week, feeling them out about what he should do next.

In Georgia and Florida, where votes are still being counted, Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum ran even stronger than Mr. O'Rourke by presenting themselves as progressives in their campaigns. By being true to themselves and offering an inspiring message, liberal activists say, these candidates proved it's possible to run competitively in forbidding states.

"The way Democrats win is to run for every seat unashamed, to leave it all on the field and to show up every time," said Gina Hinojosa, a Texas state legislator, arguing that Mr. O'Rourke's approach must become "the new normal." Mr. O'Rourke would be the party's best nominee because he offers "the sort of authentic voice that people are so thirsty for," Ms. Hinojosa said.

But while Mr. O'Rourke has quickly become a beloved figure among many grass-roots activists, some elders in the party argue that Democrats should be careful about swooning too soon.

"We're always looking for rock stars but I don't think the country is looking for rock stars," said Tom Vilsack, the former governor of Iowa and agriculture secretary for President Barack Obama.

Asked specifically about Mr. O'Rourke, Mr. Vilsack suggested it would be odd to nominate a candidate who was just defeated. "It's probably a good idea to win the first race you were interested in," he said, adding, tongue-in-cheek, "Maybe he's the new Abe Lincoln, you lose a race and then run for president and win."

One of Mr. O'Rourke's advisers, asked how the Congressman could go from losing a Senate race to running for president, responded by noting that the country had elected a celebrity president in 2016.
 

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I'd bet on Harris over Beto. Trump would dominate the airwaves with his "my opponent is a LOSER" shtick, and alt-right trolls on social media would make Bet*a* a meme or something

Whatever he could throw at Harris would be old hat, relatively.
Is this post meant to be taken seriously? I couldn't give a fuck what alt right trolls do or say. They going to "create dank meme" no matter the candidate.

Secondly if Trump says he's a loser the response is "you bankrupted multiple casinos" mic drop.
 

rjinaz

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Here is what I am most curious about. Trump is obsessed with crowd sizes. Betos dwarfed Trumps just as a senate nominee. He would pack huge stadiums as a Presidential nominee.

That would drive Trump INSANE.

Beto would probably just bring up the fact Trump lost to Cruz in Texas as well. And by way more than Beto did. He has an easy comeback.
That's a good point. Doesn't seem like it would get much play outside of deplorables. Oh no doubt he'll get jealous of campaign sizes, but he'll just lie about it, not like he hasn't been lying everyday anyway, "my crowds are so much bigger than Beto's. Thank you!

Also a plus, Cruz's team desperately tried to find dirt on the guy so it seems he pretty well vetted.
 

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I'll take Beto being a loser on fuckin Texas over Kamala's past any day of the week

On the flip side, I guess I can totally imagine Trump pulling out a "oh we can't trust you with immigrants, you supported ICE, only I can save the latinos"

And it'd probably be lost in the news cycle within a few days, too.

Is this post meant to be taken seriously? I couldn't give a fuck what alt right trolls do or say. They going to "create dank meme" no matter the candidate.

Secondly if Trump says he's a loser the response is "you bankrupted multiple casinos" mic drop.

Well obviously folks here wouldn't fall for it, but this shit has been proven to work time and time again on voters in general.

And you just know if Beto hit back, the media would be hand-wringing for days on him "sinking to Trump's level"
 
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I think trump actually struggles to insult relatively attractive younger opponents, look at his remarks against Trudeau for example. I think he finds it easier to pick on his contemporaries.
 

Vector

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The one election I want to see in my lifetime is Taylor vs Kanye

that's the only way to settle this blood feud
 

CthulhuSars

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Beto as a VP is a strong candidate especially with what prospects we have floating around. I do not understand the Beto hate as he put on quite the battle in a place he was never going to win. We need a candidate on the ticket that will do the legwork Beto does and putting him with Kamala would be interesting.
 

rjinaz

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Honestly it seems early to stress over Beto maybe running, maybe winning the nomination, maybe picking a good VP, and maybe defeating Trump in 2020 when Nelson is fighting to the death in Florida and the 116th Congress has yet to be seated.
If not for Beto, people probably wouldn't be talking about who will win in 2020 as much. I know I wouldn't care to right now. The idea of Beto running excites me even now though.
 

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Well, I've seen your posts and nothing short of a woman running will. But are you letting this bias blind you? What do you not like about Beto that you like in say, Harris other than gender?
True facts.

There's over 150 million women in the United States. I'm sure we can find one that is at least as progressive as Beto.

And don't take this as a refusal to vote for him in a general election. I'm speaking purely in terms of the primaries.
 

Ryuelli

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Just got this email from Beto's campaign:

Amy is watching Last of the Mohicans in the other room with the kids. We started it last night after Ulysses' basketball game. Pizza, carrots, Mohicans and then early to bed.

This morning, before everyone got up, I went on a run with Artemis and then made breakfast. Scones, German pancakes, bacon, eggs, and some bread that Jim and Christine brought by last night with butter and jam on it. Some coffee from beans that a friend in Austin sent to us last week. It's not Whataburger, but...

After breakfast, we went on a hike in the Franklins with friends and dogs. Glorious morning in El Paso, crisp and clear, you can see for miles at the top of Crazy Cat.

Listening to the war cries and shots firing from the TV speaker in the other room, I'm smiling because we are all together again. Doing something -- just hanging out, just being around, just being -- that I haven't done in almost two years.

Been to all the kids' games over the last few days, made dinners at home, seen some friends and got to be outside, on the mountain and down at the river with Artemis.

I can hear Amy yelling in the other room "Don't watch this part! Don't watch it!"

And Henry saying "I'm watching it!" and laughing.

Already miss the road. Miss our team and the volunteers we'd see in every city, every town. Miss the energy and smiles and joy that I found all over Texas. Miss the purpose, the goal. Miss being part of something so much bigger than me or my life. Organized for a common cause and end. We were all together, really together. Never felt anything like that.

While there is loss, I also feel intense gratitude, waves of it every day. How was I so lucky to be part of something so amazing?

I can close my eyes and see so many faces and smiles. Hear the laughing and the cheering. I can see us hopeful and connecting as we shook one another's hand, looking at each other and nodding, knowing. All the stories that have been shared with me, all part of me. Every gift and kindness, every word of encouragement. Every bit of faith in what we had set ourselves to.

We were doing this for one another, doing this the right way, doing this for our country at what we all know to be a defining moment of truth.

The loss is bitter, and I don't know that I've been able to fully understand it. I try not to ask what I could have done differently because I don't know that there is an end to those questions or thoughts. There are a million different decisions I could have made, paths I could have taken, things I could have said or not said, said better or differently. I did my best, everyone did. For our democracy to work, for us to be able to continue to work together, it's important to be at peace with the outcome.

But what remains is this: I'm the luckiest guy in the world to have had the chance to do this with you. To bring power and joy to politics. People instead of PACs. Communities instead of corporations. Polls and consultants left to the wind and hopefully to the past. To have the confidence to move with the courage of our convictions. To open our hearts to one another. To not allow our differences (of party, of geography, of race or anything else) to divide us. To not know how it would end but to know that we had to give it everything.

I don't know how to fully make sense of what remains or to measure the impact we've had.

Certainly, we changed something in Texas and in our politics. At the very least our campaign reflected a change already underway in Texas that hadn't yet been seen in statewide campaigns.

Future campaigns will be won, influenced by the one we built. Candidates will run who otherwise wouldn't have. Some will take heart in knowing that you don't have to accept PAC money, you don't have to hire a pollster to know how you think or what you want to say. They will have seen in our campaign that there is real joy and power in being with people, all people. Republicans, Democrats, Independents. People who've never voted and never will. People who will vote for you, people who won't. People who live in the forgotten neighborhoods of the biggest cities. People who live in small towns that no Senate candidate has been to in 70 years.

I am grateful that you gave me a chance to be part of this. I feel responsible to you, to our country, to my kids and to my conscience to make sure that we continue to find a way to respond to the urgency that we still feel. It didn't go away Tuesday night. Our ability to convert hope and inspiration into action and change must not be wasted or kept to a candidate or campaign lest it dissipate and be rendered unusable at the most challenging time in our country's history.

Just know that I want to be part of the best way forward for this country -- whatever way I can help in whatever form that takes. Know that I am honored to have run this campaign with you and that I want to continue to honor and be honest to what was powerful about it.

For the time being, I am going to focus on being a better dad to our kids who have not had much of one for the last 22 months.

Movie is over. Now going to Molly's basketball game and then we'll see what's next.

Grateful to you for being a part of this, for giving me a chance to be a part of this.

See you down the road,

Beto
 

DukeBlue

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His name gets the hispanic voters. I also thought he was hispanic until I saw he just shortens Robert.
Ugh me too. When I first heard about him, his popularity, and the fact that he was from Texas, I was so fucking happy that a Latino was being hyped up for congress. You could imagine my dissapointment when that wasn't the case :/