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My mom said she was disappointed in me when I came out lol. Real talk though? I don't tho k she realizes how much it hurt me and it still comes up internally sometimes and brings me down.
And the DNC decided to give him those changes. They could've chosen to say "fuck off, independent scum,"but they didn't.
It's almost like every Democrat knows that Bernie is a Democrat who claims to be independent for branding purposes!
With Gowdy announcing an investigation into the Porter thing, and now apparently a Republican calling for Shulkin to step down and be held accountable for abuses of power and corruption, could we finally, FINALLY start seeing rank and file Republicans having had enough of this dumpster fire of an administration, or do we think these are just minor blips that almost certainly won't go anywhere?
I find it questionable that someone who isn't a Democrat by his own admittance then demands to change the party he does not identify with.
They did so because they feared the wrath of his supporters, a portion of which ALSO are not democrats.
Perhaps all Democrats should just fluctuate between Independent, Democrat, and whatever other label they want for expediency sake.
Are we really playing this game?
This was the question.
Here was my answer.
I agree. And I am expressing my opinion that Gillibrand is a bad candidate and should not be our nominee. I can only hope that the voters agree with me. If they dont, I will hold my nose and vote for her against Trump.
However, please feel free to join me on #teamkamela
Around that time, then the Trump admin waited until the absolute last day of the time limit to impose them and claimed "they weren't needed (sic)", opposing a 98-2 Senate vote. Not sure how that was even legal.
This is divisive bullshit.
Unless you have some reason to think that she *hasn't* actually changed her view, all you are doing here is furthering a divide and making it easier for GOP to hang onto power.
There's a line of "Assholes, but not Traitorous Assholes" that people like Gowdy and Bannon are on that's going to become an important distinction moving forward.
Angus isn't running for President and demanding to alter an entire platform.
Perhaps. It allowed Christ to flow into a democrat as his party went nutzo.
I mean, nothing's preventing you from researching and then coming back with an answer based on that.
For the record, I'm not advocating Gillibrand (or anybody) for 2020 at this time.
I'm surprised you'd argue this, because the reason Angus King did it was pretty explicitly racially motivated. (Because to many white people, Democrats are the "Black People Party")
At least this is a tax that is long overdue, which means he won’t actually do it.
Here is an article that came out a couples days ago that talks about Gillibrand and her change from her past stances.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/gill...onservative-stances-guns-illegal-immigration/
http://freebeacon.com/politics/gill...onservative-stances-guns-illegal-immigration/
People should tell him he could use the monies for an infrastructure bill, though the HFC would be against it so not going to happen anyway.
I guess my question is why shouldn't have Sanders had some say in the platform
the primary was acrimonious, and giving him seats at the table was a gesture of goodwill - if you think BernieBros are bad now, they'd be even worse if their mascot actually had been frozen out by the DNC and they had a leg to stand on. as far as I can tell, there's no lasting harm from the decision, since I don't think Bernie pushing Hilldawg to the left was what made her lose the EC.
what leverage was Sanders bringing into the scenario that made it a hostage situation? what was keeping the DNC from shutting him out if they didn't want him there?
the primary was acrimonious, and giving him seats at the table was a gesture of goodwill - if you think BernieBros are bad now, they'd be even worse if their mascot actually had been frozen out by the DNC and they had a leg to stand on. as far as I can tell, there's no lasting harm from the decision, since I don't think Bernie pushing Hilldawg to the left was what made her lose the EC.
what leverage was Sanders bringing into the scenario that made it a hostage situation? what was keeping the DNC from shutting him out if they didn't want him there?
Wait. You're opposed to Gillibrand because of bad positions she held years ago, but are supportive of Kamala Harris?
I like and am a big fan of Kamala myself, but...lol
If that mattered, Dem primary voters or Dem party members would have rejected Bernie. They did not, ergo, it does not matter. If you think it matters you should get involved in your local party and tell them to be more mad at Bernie!
I actually hadn't heard that, and it is definitely upsetting, but it's kind of irrelevant to the actual point I'm making, which is that it really doesn't matter if people who are extremely consistent Democratic voters want, for reasons unique to their particular states, to claim not to be Democrats, especially if the party's behavior makes it very clear that they view them as Democrats (by supporting them, including them in the caucus, not running candidates against them, etc.).
I blame the DNC and Bernie for it. The Bernie Bros still won't support the Dems even after the capitulation to Bernie. Why shouldn't any member of previous primary's have a say? Is it just going to be the final two that have the say? Final three? Why was Bernie given this opportunity but previous folks who lost the nomination didn't?
Maybe we should have not cut taxes on the rich only to turn around and raise taxes on gas that would affect virtually everyone else who that matters to. Shit just got bumped up .15 here in CA. It's not even summer and we're already 3.25 a gal. Even if nothing comes of it, it's exploring stupid territory that's born out of their dumbass tax cuts scrambling to find income.
I was late as hell to the convo, sorry.
Anyway, I sure as hell wish we had more politicians that pandered by changing their platforms to match the will of the people! I'm all in on that type of pandering!
Anyway, I sure as hell wish we had more politicians that pandered by changing their platforms to match the will of the people! I'm all in on that type of pandering!
Because he maintained a significant power bloc inside the party after the primary ended, while others didn't?
I can actually think of one candidate who got changes to the DNC after losing a presidential primary because of her robust post-primary support!
Good article.
"I came from a district that was 98 percent white. We have immigrants, but not a lot of immigrants," she said. "I hadn't really spent the time to hear those kind of stories about what's it like to worry that your dad could be taken away at any moment."
Oh please. She lived in NYC and Los Angeles for 10+ years before establishing these positions as an elected official.
If this person is the 2020 Democrat nominee, you can kiss your Hispanic support goodbye. We see right through this garbage.
Because Bernie Sanders and his deal with W to dump Vermont's nuclear waste in a majority hispanic southern Texas town despite their objections is a billion times better.
Your sarcasm may endear you to some, I'm not impressed with it. Leaves a bit to be desired. As to your actual point, for me it isn't about being 'mad' at Bernie. That you think that is the reason for my stance is telling.
Bernie wasn't a Democrat, trashed the person who was and was the only other option besides him to get the nomination, gave much more fodder to Trump in the general. Was he THE reason she lost? No, there were many factors BUT he was one of those factors as was his loudest supporters, whom about 10-13% weren't even Democrats and weren't willing to vote for anybody but Bernie (H.A. Goodman being a chief example).
Are you doing a bunch of oppo research on Gillibrand, or do you belong to a club or something?
Why is this more important to you than any other discussion right now?
Do you really think she's ready to heel-turn the moment she gets in office?
I'd get on team Kamala if I had more faith in the American public. But we did elect a man named Barack Hussein Obama, so maybe I shouldn't let cynicism guide who I choose to support.
Are you asking if a GOP backed impeachment is a possibility now?
You expressly and literally did not answer it.
Not to take away from one user's quest to make the last few pages solely about themselves and all of you indulging him, but this is big:
President Zuma of South Africa finally resigns.
President Zuma of South Africa finally resigns.
Nothing but rural white voters up where I live—all of them are sensitive to gas taxes. The rich tax cut + a gas tax would really chafe them.
What the fuck.When people wonder what's wrong with the media, this is a good representation.
No empathy. No real care. Just looking out for themselves and their money as if these people's lives aren't worth shit.
just to add to this, Bernie puts in plenty of time with donors on behalf of Democrats - he's not exactly a freeloading gadfly, here
whoa.
If they weren't even Democrats and weren't willing to vote for anybody but Bernie, definitionally they were completely irrelevant to the election. We would not have won those votes either way. Literally the only way to get them was to nominate Bernie. Should we have done that?
I'm honestly surprised at how many people around here have decided to ignore the clear messages of the Democratic establishment and stake out an extremist right-wing position in which Bernie is to blame for the election loss and should be opposed with all the vigor at our command.
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