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US PoliERA 2018 |OT4| Sweetheart, this is Watergate, goodbye!

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sangreal

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Wonderment said:
So that's "payment in kind". Which is payment. Which is being paid.
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What? That's not payment in kind. They're not being paid with airline tickets. They are having their airline tickets paid for

I have no idea if Trump paid them (doubtful, because he doesn't pay anyone who works for him) but they definitely did a fair amount of travel on his behalf and it would make perfect sense for that travel to be reimbursed
 
Hiphopopotamus

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sangreal said:
What? That's not payment in kind. They're not being paid with airline tickets. They are having their airline tickets paid for

I have no idea if Trump paid them (doubtful, because he doesn't pay anyone who works for him) but they definitely did a fair amount of travel on his behalf and it would make perfect sense for that travel to be reimbursed
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How is reimbursing travel expenses not "being paid by the campaign"?

Especially considering the "fungibility" argument the GOP uses to claim federal funds make their way to Planned Parenthood for abortion purposes.
 
Antrax

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ThLunarian said:
I'm guessing the only way around this would be to oust McConnell as the majority leader? There's no arcane parliamentary procedure available to bring this up without his approval? Even though it has supporters in both parties?
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There is, but the majority party reflexively votes against any legislation brought up this way since, for all intents and purposes, passing legislation like that means that the Majority Leader isn't really in charge any more. It's effectively a vote of no confidence.
 
StopMakingSense

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sangreal said:
What? That's not payment in kind. They're not being paid with airline tickets. They are having their airline tickets paid for

I have no idea if Trump paid them (doubtful, because he doesn't pay anyone who works for him) but they definitely did a fair amount of travel on his behalf and it would make perfect sense for that travel to be reimbursed
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Any expense of campaign money on goods/services for another party is considered a payment. Hence the FEC filing.
 
Stinkles

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sangreal said:
What? That's not payment in kind. They're not being paid with airline tickets. They are having their airline tickets paid for

I have no idea if Trump paid them (doubtful, because he doesn't pay anyone who works for him) but they definitely did a fair amount of travel on his behalf and it would make perfect sense for that travel to be reimbursed
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I don't know about campaign finance, but that would be expressly prohibited under my company's policy as potentially conflict of interest. Travel is viewed with tremendous scrutiny.
 

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When Dems next hold the House or Senate they should hold lots of hearings like this. Invite every awful right wing conspiracy theorist to testify about how persecuted they are and ask them questions until they perjure themselves. Then prosecute.
 
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Invisible Cities said:
When I worked on a campaign, we regularly paid for volunteers' travel expenses (albeit: metro fare and the occasional car/tour bus)
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Of course. They are campaign employees. Diamond and Silk characterize themselves as independent thinkers, pundits and reporters of fact. They most certainly can't be considered campaign employees. Guests would be a better defense.
 
Teggy

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It's payment, but they can play enough games with, "I thought the question was about a salary," and the issue is so minor they would never go after them. It would look terrible.



It's almost like trump has no idea what the deal is and just hates Obama.
 
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Midnight Jon

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So this reply's a bit late, but
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Looking over his twitter, he openly advertises that he is a real Indian and he seems to be touting that as his #1 credential. Even posted a video of an Alex Jones interview with himself. This guy has no shot, right? Right...?
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Warren is literally more likely to win that race by 50 whole-ass points than come anywhere close to losing
 
FreezePeach

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I missed this talk with Comey and Cooper, but this little exchange at the end is some scary shit, and once again Comey proves to be better for it.



Can click the audio play and it should go to the right spot
 
Kirblar

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About 7-8 years too late on this realization, but its a start (and might explain some of the overperformance relative to D ballots)

 
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Hot take as an aside: Alito is the unrecognized worst justice on the Supreme Court. He's as hard-line partisan as it gets, but he's just lucky to constantly fly under the radar, because a) he's not the Chief Justice, b) he's not as outspoken as Scalia was, c) he's not certifiably insane as Thomas, and d) his seat wasn't stolen as Gorsuch's was.
 
Hopfrog

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Just putting this out there - if Cohen flips on Trump my nomination for the thread title is "The Art of the Squeal".
 
StopMakingSense

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Teggy said:
It's payment, but they can play enough games with, "I thought the question was about a salary," and the issue is so minor they would never go after them. It would look terrible.



It's almost like trump has no idea what the deal is and just hates Obama.
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Is it bad that I had to google is Mattis was still in his position, because I can't keep track of who's in or out these day?
 
Hiphopopotamus

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ned_ballad said:
the road to hyper partisanship continues
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This has been baked into the cake since at least '94, so this is just the last vestiges rotting. I'm impressed that these feelings stayed dormant as long as they have.

Trying to compromise with people who never act in good faith is a fool's game. In fact the modern GOP understands and respects only one thing: pure, unadulterated power used against them and their money men
 
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Hiphopopotamus said:
This has been baked into the cake since at least '94, so this is just the last vestiges rotting. I'm impressed that these feelings stayed dormant as long as they have.

Trying to compromise with people who never act in good faith is a fool's game. In fact the modern GOP understands and respects only one thing: pure, unadulterated power used against them and their money men
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As does Putin.
 
Brian McDoogle

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Wakes up and sees this thread jump several pages.... Uh-oh!

Ok. Cosby guilty, VA nomination revoked, SoS goes through, Fox and Friends interview, and more Stormy Daniels stuff... that it?
 
sangreal

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StopMakingSense said:
Any expense of campaign money on goods/services for another party is considered a payment. Hence the FEC filing.
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I'm explicitly not arguing whether it should or shouldn't be on the form. Or even if they really were only reimbursed. I am only saying that being reimbursed for travel expenses is not 'payment in kind'. Payment in kind would be if he gave them a paid vacation or something, not reimbursing legitimate business travel
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How is reimbursing travel expenses not "being paid by the campaign"?
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It is by definition (literally) not being paid. They are having a service paid for, they are not being paid to provide a service (if they are to be believed). They would not make any money. They would submit receipts and be reimbursed the exact amount they spent
 
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Everyday Math said:
I hope everyone is ok. :(
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I hope the constituents are ok and can evacuate safely.

And that Pruitt's team will be on-site shortly to assess any environmental impact. Hopefully there are no vacancies or unqualified people responsible for addressing this incident.

I'm sure we'll be hearing from Tammy Baldwin soon. But hopefully Scott Walker and Ron Johnson can advise on next steps. Maybe Paul Ryan will give a shout out to his home state.
 
lmcfigs

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So about Diamond and Silk, isn't lying to congress illegal? Is there not repercussions for this stunt?
 
Hiphopopotamus

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sangreal said:
I'm explicitly not arguing whether it should or shouldn't be on the form. Or even if they really were only reimbursed. I am only saying that being reimbursed for travel expenses is not 'payment in kind'. Payment in kind would be if he gave them a paid vacation or something, not reimbursing legitimate business travel


It is by definition (literally) not being paid. They are having a service paid for, they are not being paid to provide a service (if they are to be believed). They would not make any money. They would submit receipts and be reimbursed the exact amount they spent
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The Trump campaign claims they were providing services in their FEC reports. So which degenerate liars are we to believe, here?
 

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I'm not rooting for McCain to die in this post, but if he does die in the next two weeks, would Mark Kelly be the person to jump in for his seat?

Because I think the state is ripe for two blue senators in 2018 if that happens.
 
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