US PoliERA 2018 |OT6| An Unmitigated Disaster

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Oniletter

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I knew what you meant, my point still stands.
That you still don't see it is interesting.

What caused the refugee situation is irrelevant to how it's being reacted too.
I mean, I don't even disagree with you. Racism certainly isn't an American invention and Europe's knee jerk reaction to the refugee crisis is alarming.

This point comes off really poorly right next to a " Europe is just jelly, because we are this awesome"-bit, though.

Edit: This is getting way off track. Good luck in November, everyone !
 

Suiko

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I mean, I don't even disagree with you. Racism certainly isn't an American invention and Europe's knee jerk reaction to the refugee crisis is alarming.

The point comes off really poorly right next to a " Europe is just jelly, because we are this awesome"-bit.
Well, we have nothing left to argue about then.
I'll agree the first part of that post was a bit crass.
 

chadskin

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Because Merkel's totally having to try and save her government by cutting back on how many people they're taking in because of "economic anxiety".
Not necessarily directed at you but a good opportunity to highlight this Twitter thread because the reporting on what was actually discussed and Merkel ultimately agreed to was pretty shoddy, if not misleading. (I'm looking at you, New York Times.)

 
Oct 26, 2017
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Sure, I'll subscribe to the ""Timing" conspiracy theory.

In fact, I think Nunes and Jim Jordan are lucky they haven't had all their shit put out on the street considering their relentless attacks and undermining of the intelligence agencies. House Republicans have been straight-up defecating on the intelligence agencies for the past 12 months with zero consequence or retribution. I imagine at some point, the FBI is going to want to put the fear of God back to certain House Republicans.

You obviously don't want a branch of government subversively attacking another branch of government or institution but that's exactly what House Republicans have been doing with every tool they have at their disposal, so I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the FBI started to finally fight back considering their own commander in chef is trying to take them down.
I like how his first "I didn't know" got blown up so it's right to the fact that an allegation came out NOW is worse than...the allegation checking out so far...

And I don't see this as the FBI "figthing back" cuz that plays into this chekist-cum-narcissist worldview these people broadcast or are learning to broadcast by imitating Big Mac Magnet; they'd be doing it legally. IC? Maybe. Just maybe not our IC though...

It’s July 4 and trump is tweeting about high gas prices.
DISASSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER PROTECTION PROTOCOL ACTIVATE!
 

Oniletter

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Well, we have nothing left to argue about then.
I'll agree the first part of that post was a bit crass.
Cheers !
Because Merkel's totally having to try and save her government by cutting back on how many people they're taking in because of "economic anxiety".
It's pure unfiltered racism coupled with political theatre in the hopes of getting ""conservative"" ( xenophobic) voters back in the fold, absolutely correct.
Bavaria is embarrassing.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'll agree the first part of that post was a bit crass.
It was a crass post in response to crass criticism. It’s not my responsibility to elevate the discourse. Jealousy or envy really aren’t the right words I admit but resentment of a cultural hegemon is to be expected.

Also let’s just ignore that the real roots of Middle East conflict were set down by European powers carving up colonial territories into arbitrary nation states post World Wars. Or that Assad and ISIS bear the most responsibility for people fleeing his country. You wanna talk about Iraq or Afghanistan, sure, the USA is the worst actor. Syria not so much.

Edit: this second paragraph isn’t in response to you Suiko.
 
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Kirblar

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Study found jobs programs don't actually help crime recidivism, what actually helps is a tight labor market locally. (Would agree w/ Yglesias that the implication is hard to ignore for a jobs guarantee)

 

VectorPrime

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Usually the President wants to take attention away from the fact that gas prices are rising but Trump is operating at a higher level here.
 

Abstrusity

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Study found jobs programs don't actually help crime recidivism, what actually helps is a tight labor market locally. (Would agree w/ Yglesias that the implication is hard to ignore for a jobs guarantee)

Turns out that we have a lot of work to do, and temporary, transitional jobs don't provide a stable backing, especially when you report a conviction and don't get the jobg because of your conviction, or don't (and don't get the job because you didn't tell them you had a conviction).

I have a feeling that we'd see similar results in any general welfare programs; making them temporary doesn't "light a fire" under anyone's ass because it doesn't work that way.
 

Linkura

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We celebrated it by detaining a woman who protested the kidnapping of children by climbing the Statue of Liberty.
 

Human

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I did not realize that there are now eleven Democrats running for my congressional seat. I want to be informed when I vote in the primaries (than vote straight D in the general), but I'm already starting to get some of them mixed up. Most of them are not people I'm familiar with because I don't pay a ton of attention to state party leaders seeing I live in Trump country where my state reps don't give a shit what I think because they're in safe seats (partially due to gerrymandering).

At least in the Republican presidential primary I'd heard of most candidates (except for people like Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina).
 

TerminusFox

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Turns out that we have a lot of work to do, and temporary, transitional jobs don't provide a stable backing, especially when you report a conviction and don't get the jobg because of your conviction, or don't (and don't get the job because you didn't tell them you had a conviction).

I have a feeling that we'd see similar results in any general welfare programs; making them temporary doesn't "light a fire" under anyone's ass because it doesn't work that way.
You know I"m almost, almost to the point where unless it's extremely necessary (and we define explicitly what's necessary) that they don't even look at criminal background checks at all. At any stage of the interview.

Radical position I know, but at some point, something has to give.
 

AnotherNils

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You know I"m almost, almost to the point where unless it's extremely necessary (and we define explicitly what's necessary) that they don't even look at criminal background checks at all. At any stage of the interview.

Radical position I know, but at some point, something has to give.
I believe something like this was done and it depressed black hiring. I think the logic was companies won't take a chance on black employees if they can't verify their criminal history (or lack thereof).
 

Kirblar

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You know I"m almost, almost to the point where unless it's extremely necessary (and we define explicitly what's necessary) that they don't even look at criminal background checks at all. At any stage of the interview.

Radical position I know, but at some point, something has to give.
Ends up screwing minorities harder because employers rely on racism in absence of the background checks.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Here's a little thought exercise for PoliERA.

If Trump was a smarter and more knowledgeable person, would he have been more dangerous?

Or is Trump's current ignorance and border-line dementia more dangerous to the country?
 

JustinP

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Here's a little thought exercise for PoliERA.

If Trump was a smarter and more knowledgeable person, would he have been more dangerous?

Or is Trump's current ignorance and border-line dementia more dangerous to the country?
Absolutely more dangerous and I think it's not at all unlikely that such a person pops up later.
 
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Here's a little thought exercise for PoliERA.

If Trump was a smarter and more knowledgeable person, would he have been more dangerous?

Or is Trump's current ignorance and border-line dementia more dangerous to the country?
To answer my own post:
Some say if Trump was smarter and essentially an "Evil Genius" he could do a lot more damage because he would be way more effective without drawing so much attention.

Others say by being smarter and more knowledgeable they'll be less likely to do completely stupid dangerous things because they understand and respect the invisible guard rails that keep things together. An Idiot in Chief has no concept of the invisible guard rails and will blindly and gleefully take the country off a cliff.

It's essentially a Dick Cheney vs. Donald Trump argument. You'd think that I'm making an argument for Cheney, but it was the Bush Administration that brought us the Iraq War, Great Recession, and massive deficits. So "Evil Geniuses'' can do a lot of damage. But I guess you could say the Bush Admin destroyed the country from within the confines of our regular Norms for the most part. There was still some sense of shame and most of the country still operated under a shared reality. There was a feeling that as bad as things got, we could still come back from it.

I'd argue that while Trump isn't smart enough to organize and run a massive evil conspiracy, his ignorance with the power he has is akin to an armored tank running amok in a suburban town. We have no idea what damage he's capable of doing or how to stop him because the situation is so unprecedented and the town infrastructure wasn't designed to handle a rogue armored tank. A smart evil genius wouldn't think of hijacking a tank and going into a residential area, just like how an evil Republican genius probably wouldn't start a non-sensical trade war while at the same time trying to save Chinese jobs and having private in-person off-the-record meetings with Kim Jong Un and Putin. Neo-Cons may have been crazy, but it was a logical crazy you could understand and they stuck to their ideology so at least they were somewhat predictable. No one knows what the hell Trump is doing or what he'll do next. I imagine once all the "Tell-All" books come out from this period we'll no longer be able to sleep at night. Did Trump really want to start a war with Venezuela???
 

Foffy

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Here's a little thought exercise for PoliERA.

If Trump was a smarter and more knowledgeable person, would he have been more dangerous?

Or is Trump's current ignorance and border-line dementia more dangerous to the country?
His charisma is both a reason he can deflect criticism, but is also a hindrance to him.

Imagine someone who can deflect any negativity and get away with it like Trump, but with the political tactical capabilities of a Mitch McConnell. In fact, don't even imagine this. We'll see this in our lifetimes. Just wait.
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell?
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Here's a little thought exercise for PoliERA.

If Trump was a smarter and more knowledgeable person, would he have been more dangerous?

Or is Trump's current ignorance and border-line dementia more dangerous to the country?
A competent Trump would have been a world wide disaster. Our only saving grace so far is the fact that he and everyone that works for him are fucking idiots.
 
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