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Paches

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump is known for his self control and ability to not abuse his station to spread his stupid opinion so there is no way this will go wrong
We will soon be living in Deus Ex

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VectorPrime

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Just want to say, that that's a rather... curious... argument to make given the entire purpose of the Connecticut Compromise and the Senate's existence in the form it does in the first place (i.e., that large and small states deserve equal representation in government in some form or another regardless of differences in size in terms of either land area or population). Like, that's literally the entire purpose of the Senate in the fist place! To have exactly those discrepancies and not give a flying fuck about them (because "small States have different interests than large States and we don't want the small States interests to be disregarded by the large States" and all that)!

So this is more of an argument against the Senate itself (which I would agree with if that's the argument that were actually proposed, btw :D), not against them "getting full representation in Senate" which makes no sense as it's currently defined anyway and just reeks of sudden and unclear hypocrisy on those founding principals for no clear or beneficial reason. Is the Senate about giving would-be small States like the US Virgin Islands equal representation regardless of their size to prevent the "tyranny of the large states against the small ones," or isn't it? As long as the Senate remains in the form it currently does, if anything, those exact discrepancies are MORE reason to give them representation in the Senate, not less and I'm struggling to imagine a convincing argument otherwise here.

Correct, if I had god like powers over the US government I would abolish the Senate entirely.
 

adamsappel

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is there some kind of nationwide hate rally thing going on today, or is Boise crazier than usual? My shop is on one of the busier streets in town and there's been a parade of big trucks with American flags, confederate flags, Don't Tread On Me flags, and some things I don't recognize that look like white power flags. I've literally seen at least 200 so far. It's some sort of organized thing and it is disturbing. I'm a straight white guy, and don't feel safe with these fucks doing whatever they are doing. I can't imagine what any marginalized person seeing this armada of fuckery is feeling.
Somebody check on the black guy in Idaho and make sure he's okay.


Kidding aside, did this turn out to be something?
 

Rag

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Oct 30, 2017
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Somebody check on the black guy in Idaho and make sure he's okay.


Kidding aside, did this turn out to be something?
I've asked around and haven't found anything. Don't really want to get on a watchlist for googling 'white power truck rally' or anything like that. I'm sure someone on the Boise subreddit knows, but I haven't gotten an answer yet. Haven't seen any more trucks in a while, so I don't know what's going on.
 

Royalan

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I'd say you could divide these 10 into three groups:

"Resistance" candidates who are going to focus on progressive anger against Trump, which is Harris, Gillibrand, and Garcetti
"Socialist" candidates who are going to focus on the economic justice message: Warren, Sanders, and Brown
"Unity" candidates who will focus on an Obama-esque "rise above" narrative: Booker, Klobuchar, Biden, and Patrick

I think there will be a fourth category that could get a bit of play, true "moderates," who will focus on centrism, here you could get people like Steve Bullock or Terry McAuliffe.

Only one candidate from each of those four groups will last past South Carolina, is my guess. If I had to bet on who gets out of each category and all of them run:

-Gillibrand for the Resistance
-Warren for the Socialists
-Booker for the unity types (there's a reason Biden's never actually gotten far in a primary, I think).
-Bullock for the moderates.

I don't think Harris fits any of these categories seamlessly. She's undeniably progressive and has that appeal, but she has a measured but no-nonsense way of speaking and presenting herself that I think would appeal to more moderate Dems. Of the names listed, I think she's done the most to present herself as a bridge candidate between the factions of the Left. People really responded to the way she grilled the shit out of Kavenaugh.

Her only potential stumbling block that I can see from here are the Southern primaries and the challenge Booker might pose. But even there I think she's beginning to edge Booker out.
 

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Correct, if I had god like powers over the US government I would abolish the Senate entirely.
Alright, cool. :)

Obviously a Constitutional amendment or act of God to make that happen isn't coming anytime soon, hehheh. So that all being the case, as long as it does exist and we're stuck with the thing, might as well make the most use we can of it as well, eh? Especially since it's so easy to argue in favor of--"returning to the founding principles of the Senate which have been forgotten," "increasing representation for the American people who have long gone unheard," "showing our commitment to the American values of democracy," etc. As long as the institution DOES in fact exist, I can't really think of a good argument not to do that.

Especially since, ironically, if anything were to be able to shift the Overton window towards arguments of actually just abolishing the thing and make people actually even begin to consider a Constitutional Amendment in favor of that + delegating the Senate's responsibilities to the House or whatever, it would likely be "abuse" of the Senate by continuously adding more and more states and forcing the Senate to be an inherently political topic in of itself that does it.

...Though naturally even that wouldn't do it of course since even if everyone else in the country somehow started to hate the Senate, a Constitutional Amendment, by normal processes, would require the Senate itself to vote against its own continued existence and put themselves out of a job which obviously ain't going to happen no matter what, no matter how much everyone else hates them. So yeah, it's not going anywhere no matter what, even in some crazy hypothetical future. So that all being the case, it's existence safe and secure no matter what and the creation of new states so easily defendable and so hard to argue against ("my opponent clearly just hates democracy, my opponent is arguing for Americans NOT to have representation, can you believe that? I've never heard anything less American in my life," etc)... why not make the most of it exactly and just carry it to its logical endpoint already?
 

Ogodei

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Oct 25, 2017
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In my ideal world i'd see the senate neutered rather than abolished entirely:

President: has more or less the power's of France's president. Broad control of the day-to-day for diplomatic and military affairs, arbiter of who gets to control the House (in terms of kingmaking for coalitions). Gets free choice to appoint one supreme court justice after their first election win (so every newly-elected president gets one, or if you come in via the line of succession you have to win a re-election).
House: Switch to statewide-proportional-representation to change us to a proper multiparty system. Vest all powers except military and diplomatic administration in the Speaker. Direct control over all cabinet-level departments except State, Defense, and DHS.
Senate: Remaining powers are to veto treaties and presidential appointments with a 3/5s majority. Void the 17th amendment and let the states decide whether to directly elect them or have them appointed by the governor or state legislature, with the reasoning being because the position loses importance, there's a danger that more extreme voters would be the only ones who'd care to vote for Senator, similar to what happens with EU parliament. State senators are responsible for picking Federal District judges in a form of the old Blue Slip system (all district judges in your state need consent of both Senators to be appointed). Committees of senators from the relevant states can promote those district judges to appeals circuit courts governing their state.
 

Culex

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Oct 29, 2017
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I think as someone else said before the new thread title should be "The Secret of Manafort. Rated T For Treason"
 

TerminusFox

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I don't think Harris fits any of these categories seamlessly. She's undeniably progressive and has that appeal, but she has a measured but no-nonsense way of speaking and presenting herself that I think would appeal to more moderate Dems. Of the names listed, I think she's done the most to present herself as a bridge candidate between the factions of the Left. People really responded to the way she grilled the shit out of Kavenaugh.

Her only potential stumbling block that I can see from here are the Southern primaries and the challenge Booker might pose. But even there I think she's beginning to edge Booker out.
She just needs one standout speech/moment to just really take off. The hearing was a start but I don't think it'd be enough on its own
 

TarNaru33

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Oct 27, 2017
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Alright, cool. :)

Obviously a Constitutional amendment or act of God to make that happen isn't coming anytime soon, hehheh. So that all being the case, as long as it does exist and we're stuck with the thing, might as well make the most use we can of it as well, eh? Especially since it's so easy to argue in favor of--"returning to the founding principles of the Senate which have been forgotten," "increasing representation for the American people who have long gone unheard," "showing our commitment to the American values of democracy," etc. As long as the institution DOES in fact exist, I can't really think of a good argument not to do that.

Especially since, ironically, if anything were to be able to shift the Overton window towards arguments of actually just abolishing the thing and make people actually even begin to consider a Constitutional Amendment in favor of that + delegating the Senate's responsibilities to the House or whatever, it would likely be "abuse" of the Senate by continuously adding more and more states and forcing the Senate to be an inherently political topic in of itself that does it.

...Though naturally even that wouldn't do it of course since even if everyone else in the country somehow started to hate the Senate, a Constitutional Amendment, by normal processes, would require the Senate itself to vote against its own continued existence and put themselves out of a job which obviously ain't going to happen no matter what, no matter how much everyone else hates them. So yeah, it's not going anywhere no matter what, even in some crazy hypothetical future. So that all being the case, it's existence safe and secure no matter what and the creation of new states so easily defendable and so hard to argue against ("my opponent clearly just hates democracy, my opponent is arguing for Americans NOT to have representation, can you believe that? I've never heard anything less American in my life," etc)... why not make the most of it exactly and just carry it to its logical endpoint already?


I am pretty sure to abolish the Senate would require a Constitutional Convention, not an Amendment. The likelihood of this happen is almost never, because it has only been done when establishing the country's foundations.
 
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Autodidact

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2 years ago: "Add a couple points to Clinton's polls because of her superior ground game."
As an article I posted explains, the party being carried by the wave usually outperforms the polls by an average of 3% on election day:
I went back since the 2006 election and looked at how much the polls from roughly within a month of this point in the cycle performed. (That is, polls completed from about 52 to 82 days before the election.)

The immediate thing that jumps out is the side that has won the national House popular vote has always done better on Election Day than the polls indicate right now. The average overperformance was a little over 3 points.

Democrats did better than their polls in 2006, 2008 and 2012. Republicans did better than their polls indicated in 2010, 2014 and 2016.
I'll quote a more relevant passage for you:
The district poll overperformance seems especially large in wave years. Back in 2006, the average district poll had the Democrats trailing by 1.5 points. The result in those districts polled ended up being Democrats winning by 4 points. That's a bias of 5.5 points against the Democrats.
This is not 2016. It is not a presidential election. The dynamics are completely different and in our favor.

But if you acknowledged that, you couldn't get in the subtle digs implying people are being overconfident.
 

Hours Left

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Oct 26, 2017
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He is truly insane. Not just in the "you're a shitty person" way, but also the "your brain doesn't function and you need a restraining device" way.
 
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The best way to advance Senate reform as a Constitutional issue is to pack the Senate with representatives of nonwhite-majority states. GOP will immediately become a strong advocate of overhauling the Senate.
 

Owzers

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Oct 26, 2017
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Ours as in gop or ours as in I will be your voice cult leader?

Because is it their golfing trips and estate tax repeals?
 

xbhaskarx

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Oct 27, 2017
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My only concern is over who wins the Senate seat, and I have little faith in the voters of Arizona being able to grasp that when CNN is putting out such a story...
 

Owzers

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Oct 26, 2017
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I don't think people can vote for someone who was against the Iraq war.

She's probably got some disavowing of the skeleton thing to do though if she wants to bring up trump attacking McCain's service.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm excited and scared about this election.

If we win, the public might actually find out the truth about what Trump and the people around him did. How they won. What litany of crimes have they committed since, and assuredly before. Everything Trump is would be laid bare.

If we lose I'm pretty sure we're weeks away from Hitlerish shit, like internment camps for kids... oh wait.
 

Clowns

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it was a joke, guys.

Unless you knew that and were playing along. That'd be real awkward for me.

OR IF IT WASN'T A JOKE AT ALL.
 

Antrax

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've said this before, but most voters (like, over 80%, maybe over 90%) don't pay attention to shit like that Sinema thing. A lot of politicking is actually just masturbatory, only appealing to people who follow 200 political accounts on Twitter (which isn't most users, and that's not mentioning all the people who don't plug into these things at all).

The way politicos worry about stories getting out, they're basically arguing that CNN should be bringing in Super Bowl ratings. They aren't. People don't pay attention to this stuff.

The main thing on voters' minds right now is probably the Manafort/Cohen guilty verdicts/plea. That was big enough to replace the previous dumb thing Trump did, and his numbers (and the GOP's as a whole) went down after that in the aggregate.
 

Iolo

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Oct 27, 2017
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I said the things I truly felt, and not the words of the totally unpatriotic NFL Players who knelt! The record shows I took the blows and did it My (our) way!
 
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