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US PoliERA 2019 |OT1| You down wit' NDP? (Yeah you know me!) Who's down wit' AOC? (This whole party!)

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Stinkles

343 Industries
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Oct 25, 2017
10,887
I know he lost the popular vote, but there were still millions and millions who voted for him. Fuck them all. I just wish so much of the population weren't terrible people. World would be a much better place.
I don't disagree. But as a nation we've tuned politics to be astonishingly unrepresentative of population.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,443
Yep.

Daniel Dale @ddale8

This tweet is missing a key noun: heroin.

He usually says the US loses 300 people a week to heroin, 90% of which comes through the border; accurate as of 2017. Intentionally or accidentally, this tweet lets people think 300 people are being murdered by unauthorized immigrants.
I read it as immigrants were coming in and dying, so it was ruining our live/die ratio.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,726
Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
 
Oct 27, 2017
13,889
Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
This is a heartless perspective...
 
Oct 27, 2017
8,887
Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
Wow
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
A lot of heroin users transitioned from opioid prescriptions that they were told were safe. Bad doctors make addicts just as effectively as drug dealers.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
Y'know, maybe I'm being a dick, but perhaps this forum isn't for you.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,808
Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.

(I'm not aware of a good single explanation but basically, it's a mix of chemical effects of the brain and sociology)
 
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Oct 25, 2017
26,443
Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
If only we applied this to all dying people, think how much we would save on Healthcare that we could put towards the Wall.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,711
Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
ODing on bad posts isn't a self correcting problem so why would heroin be one too?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
Not wanting to dogpile, so a different response to others: Philip Seymour Hoffman died of a heroin overdose, and River Phoenix died of a speedball (heroin and cocaine, I believe). So, yeah, even if a generic human life isn't of intrinsic value, fascinating people of value have been lost to drug overdoses. :(
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,790
A lot of heroin users transitioned from opioid prescriptions that they were told were safe. Bad doctors make addicts just as effectively as drug dealers.
It's not even necessarily "bad" doctors, but we don't let people just handle pain anymore. I guess out of fear of lawsuits or whatever, but sometimes it's better to tell patients to take an ibuprofen instead of giving them hardcore opioids to handle pain. My wife got a huge fucking bottle of above average dose Percocet after she had a tooth taken out. She doesn't have a high pain tolerance but she was fine with ibuprofen and ice packs (her medical anxiety worries her a lot about pills, so she was already hesitant to take those).

She didn't even ask for them. I was like "wow, does it hurt that bad?" when I saw them as part of the prescriptions I picked up for her, and she didn't know that was one of them. That shit is dangerous, but I assume her oral surgeon was covering their ass from either a lawsuit or a bad review or whatever. That needs to be reigned in.
 

Sobriquet

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,078
Wilmington, NC
re: Tarrant Co, TX GOP trying to oust a vice-chair for being Moooooslim


49 voting to oust him is scary af


NEWS: @shafitx will retain his role as vice-chairman of the Tarrant County Republican Party despite a push from a small faction of precinct chairs to remove him from his post because he's Muslim.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Vixdean's argument is representative of the damage that conservatives have done to this country in how they have framed the narrative around drugs and addiction, mostly for racist and classist purposes. That shit gets parroted by the media and seeps into the general discussion around and understanding of the topic.

It takes time and effort to deprogram oneself from the mainstreaming of right-wing bullshit viewpoints in this country.
 
Dec 7, 2017
3,689
Canada
Yep.

Daniel Dale @ddale8

This tweet is missing a key noun: heroin.

He usually says the US loses 300 people a week to heroin, 90% of which comes through the border; accurate as of 2017. Intentionally or accidentally, this tweet lets people think 300 people are being murdered by unauthorized immigrants.
Even if he means heroin, he forgets that they can launch heroin with the greatest siege weapon in history that can launch 90kg up to 300 meters.

Or just use a slingshot.
 

Sobriquet

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,078
Wilmington, NC
Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
I lost one of my best friends to heroin a couple of years ago. FWIW he was incredibly successful in his career.

I'm not going to reply how I want to reply.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
You sound hopelessly ignorant. Educate yourself if there's still time
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Welp, I see this thread is still filled with a bunch of lurkers who only exist to pounce on unpopular opinions with useless invective. Thanks to the couple who actually posted something constructive. Have a good night!
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,556
Welp, I see this thread is still filled with a bunch of lurkers who only exist to pounce on unpopular opinions with useless invective. Thanks to the couple who actually posted something constructive. Have a good night!
Well that's a quick way to a ban. Enjoy. And we aren't lurkers, idiot.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,169
Welp, I see this thread is still filled with a bunch of lurkers who only exist to pounce on unpopular opinions with useless invective. Thanks to the couple who actually posted something constructive. Have a good night!
But most of the people who replied to you are regulars.
 
Nov 1, 2017
1,812
Iowa
Vixdean's argument is representative of the damage that conservatives have done to this country in how they have framed the narrative around drugs and addiction, mostly for racist and classist purposes. That shit gets parroted by the media and seeps into the general discussion around and understanding of the topic.

It takes time and effort to deprogram oneself from the mainstreaming of right-wing bullshit viewpoints in this country.
I read that quite differently. I think that poster is talking about white trash opioid addicts that are now all of a sudden getting the epidemic national attention because they are white. Typically voting against their self interests as Rs. That poster, to me, is implying more something like the inbred, fly over country, hicks that keep voting R against themselves, are getting their comeuppance and that it is justified and morally good because of Social Darwinism.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,443
Vixdean's argument is representative of the damage that conservatives have done to this country in how they have framed the narrative around drugs and addiction, mostly for racist and classist purposes. That shit gets parroted by the media and seeps into the general discussion around and understanding of the topic.

It takes time and effort to deprogram oneself from the mainstreaming of right-wing bullshit viewpoints in this country.
Ah yes, it was a subtle parody piece. How clever of them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,169
I read that quite differently. I think that poster is talking about white trash opioid addicts that are now all of a sudden getting the epidemic national attention because they are white. Typically voting against their self interests as Rs. That poster, to me, is implying more something like the inbred, fly over country, hicks that keep voting R against themselves ate getting their comeuppance and that it is justified and morally good because of Social Darwinism.
It's never been controversial to say, "People all of a sudden want to be compassionate about drug addiction because a lot of the people dying are now white." That's a sad truth.

You can acknowledge the War on Drugs has just been an excuse to persecute people of color, seek to redress that problem through pot legalization and criminal justice reform among other solutions, and think that all drug addicts deserve help. These are not incompatible positions. What he said was pretty heartless.
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
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Oct 24, 2017
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Like, maybe I'm just being a dick, but I feel like people ODing on heroin is a self correcting problem. Is anything of value being lost? In any case, attempts at restricting supply never work, people will just end up paying more to get their fix. Gotta cure the demand.
Welp, I see this thread is still filled with a bunch of lurkers who only exist to pounce on unpopular opinions with useless invective. Thanks to the couple who actually posted something constructive. Have a good night!
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,670
Welp, I see this thread is still filled with a bunch of lurkers who only exist to pounce on unpopular opinions with useless invective. Thanks to the couple who actually posted something constructive. Have a good night!
legit don't recognize your name at all and probably greater than half my posts are in this thread
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,953
I read that quite differently. I think that poster is talking about white trash opioid addicts that are now all of a sudden getting the epidemic national attention because they are white. Typically voting against their self interests as Rs. That poster, to me, is implying more something like the inbred, fly over country, hicks that keep voting R against themselves ate getting their comeuppance and that it is justified and morally good because of Social Darwinism.
Sure, it's quite possible. In fact, I certainly admit that this is how I (reductively) think about it in my rage, but of course, white conservatives in flyover country aren't the only people affected by opiate addiction, and the responses from people are reflecting that truth.

Really, you should just slam those people for being racist and horrible without making an argument that implicates all drug addicts.
 
Nov 1, 2017
1,812
Iowa
It's never been controversial to say, "People all of a sudden want to be compassionate about drug addiction because a lot of the people dying are now white." That's a sad truth.

You can acknowledge the War on Drugs has just been an excuse to persecute people of color, seek to redress that problem through pot legalization and criminal justice reform among other solutions, and think that all drug addicts deserve help. These are not incompatible positions. What he said was pretty heartless.
I agree with everything you said. That post was ignorant shit. The person I quoted was framing that poster's arguments as if they were coming from right wing politicking when I read it more as someone who was saying "fuck ignorant Rs, they deserve it." That poster posted again tho, since I replied, and now I think my reading might have been the incorrect one.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,443
Sure, it's quite possible. In fact, I certainly admit that this is how I (reductively) think about it in my rage, but of course, white conservatives in flyover country aren't the only people affected by opiate addiction, and the responses from people are reflecting that truth.

Really, you should just slam those people for being racist and horrible without making an argument that implicates all drug addicts.
I'm not in flyover country and the opiate addicts I see every day are for sure not random racist white people.
 
Nov 1, 2017
1,812
Iowa
Sure, it's quite possible. In fact, I certainly admit that this is how I (reductively) think about it in my rage, but of course, white conservatives in flyover country aren't the only people affected by opiate addiction, and the responses from people are reflecting that truth.

Really, you should just slam those people for being racist and horrible without making an argument that implicates all drug addicts.
Totally agree. I think you might have been totally right tho after that poster's reply.
 
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