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US PoliERA 2019 |OT1| You down wit' NDP? (Yeah you know me!) Who's down wit' AOC? (This whole party!)

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Oct 25, 2017
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As a thought exercise, I can't decide what would be preferable between Trump cutting a deal to resign in exchange for immunity (state and federal) to get him out of office immediately, out to tough it out for the next two years hoping RBG makes it and the House constrains him enough to minimize his damage and have him crucified upon leaving office.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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As a thought exercise, I can't decide what would be preferable between Trump cutting a deal to resign in exchange for immunity (state and federal) to get him out of office immediately, out to tough it out for the next two years hoping RBG makes it and the House constrains him enough to minimize his damage and have him crucified upon leaving office.
If Trump leaves, Pence takes his place so RBG would still have to hang on.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
are we going to see AOC as the kingmaker in this primary
I hope not. She's in no position to be doing something like that, and it would look terrible for the rest of her career if she gave anyone part of her infinite momentum who then didn't win the presidency. Does her opinion matter? Of course. But kingmakers have to earn reputations first. She'd be giving an endorsement as a social media figure and not a politician, in other words. Basically a liberal version of a Trump endorsement.

The presidential primary is one of those times where it'd be best for her to just keep her head down for awhile and let the party sort it out. The last thing anyone here should want her to turn in to is someone who shoves her face into every nook and cranny to offer endless takes. They won't always be good.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Ugh... I guess friends in high places gets your access huh?

Government restaffs wildlife refuges during shutdown to allow hunters access

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is directing dozens of wildlife refuges to return to work to make sure hunters and others have access despite the government shutdown, according to an email obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press.
The partial restaffing of 38 wildlife refuges is angering wildlife groups, who accuse the Trump administration of trying to minimize the public impact of the more than two-week-old shutdown to limit the political blowback for President Donald Trump. Trump and Democrats in Congress are locked in a dispute over Trump’s demand for billions of dollars for a wall on the southern U.S. border.


 
Oct 25, 2017
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Why on earth is Vox giving Tucker Carlson a platform and pretending that his creeping fascism is just an "interesting debate" happening among conservatives? I'm not even going to bother quoting anything from it.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/10/18171912/tucker-carlson-fox-news-populism-conservatism-trump-gop
I mentioned it earlier too. They even made their weeds podcast today be about it, which included a whole lot of "putting aside how terrible he is about immigrants" which, no, you can't just do that. Those things are connected.

And of course the same leftist crowd that wanted to praise Carlson for his weak anti-war statements was sharing this same article because anything to make the democratic party look behind the issue I guess.

Probably for the best this place is completely uninterested by it. It's weird and annoying to see all sorts of sides of the political spectrum praise him for it outside here.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I mentioned it earlier too. They even made their weeds podcast today be about it, which included a whole lot of "putting aside how terrible he is about immigrants" which, no, you can't just do that. Those things are connected.

And of course the same leftist crowd that wanted to praise Carlson for his weak anti-war statements was sharing this same article because anything to make the democratic party look behind the issue I guess.

Probably for the best this place is completely uninterested by it. It's weird and annoying to see all sorts of sides of the political spectrum praise him for it outside here.
— they hardly praise him for it and spent a good majority of the pod talking about his position as a white supremacist talking head shades these comments

— the only reason this is getting any play at all is because it IS interesting. The thought leader of the conservative world is suddenly anti elitist? What? (They explain the limits of this conclusion)

— it is interesting because it reveals the populist split from an ideological movement that looks like it could lead the way to a more traditional party structure that actually rewards their constituents.

— I say all of the above but also think tucker is a monster. But this isn’t giving the host of the biggest cable news show on tv “a platform” and doesn’t ignore his vile racism. The point is that it reveals a fracture in conservatism that until now, only trump has really been able to vocalize. It is worth talking about and only more so because the first person to do it could be vocalizing it while also being a grand wizard of the kkk.
 
Nov 11, 2017
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^^^ lol

— they hardly praise him for it and spent a good majority of the pod talking about his position as a white supremacist talking head shades these comments

— the only reason this is getting any play at all is because it IS interesting. The thought leader of the conservative world is suddenly anti elitist? What? (They explain the limits of this conclusion)

— it is interesting because it reveals the populist split from an ideological movement that looks like it could lead the way to a more traditional party structure that actually rewards their constituents.

— I say all of the above but also think tucker is a monster. But this isn’t giving the host of the biggest cable news show on tv “a platform” and doesn’t ignore his vile racism. The point is that it reveals a fracture in conservatism that until now, only trump has really been able to vocalize. It is worth talking about and only more so because the first person to do it could be vocalizing it while also being a grand wizard of the kkk.
All he needs now is his joe rogan episode.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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As a thought exercise, I can't decide what would be preferable between Trump cutting a deal to resign in exchange for immunity (state and federal) to get him out of office immediately, out to tough it out for the next two years hoping RBG makes it and the House constrains him enough to minimize his damage and have him crucified upon leaving office.
6 months ago I might have said just ride it out until 2020. But after the last 2-3 months where he abused the military for a fake caravan crisis, attempted to end asylum for refugees, bizarre incoherent public ramblings in cabinet meetings, recklessly pulling out of Syria with Mattis basically calling him a Russian agent, he's now surrounded by a half-dozen "acting" officials who are primarily lackeys, and Trump's willingness to take the whole country over the cliff simply because Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh hurt his feelings.

In season 1 we all knew Trump was crazy but there seemed to be enough guard rails to prevent him from doing any serious damage aside from a couple of crazy executive orders. But now at the end of season 2 and beginning of season 3, Trump is is actually causing real damage beyond breaking norms. He's getting increasingly more erratic and his acting like a wounded rabid wild animal. He will abuse every single lever of power available to him if it serves his personal interest. He doesn't give one shit about the state of the office of the President and the country when he leaves office. This makes him very dangerous because he'll raze and pillage anything and everything in his path.

It's this reason that if he offers up his resignation and leaves the office in disgrace for exchange for some criminal immunity, I say we take it. I would love to see Trump in a orange jump suit but I think it's probably more important in the long run that he leave the office in utter disgrace (not a Martyr) and the sooner, the better. The GOP has become so much a Trump Cult that even if the Mueller Report has a smoking gun, it still would be unlikely that enough GOP Senators would convict Trump in an impeachment trial. In fact the majority of the GOP would probably still rally behind Trump, so having Trump run-away in shame on his own might be the only way to get him out of office before 2020.

The one major stipulation in any resignation deal would be that Trump admit his guilt in full. If he wants to avoid criminal charges once he's out of office, then he has to admit to being a Russian agent and criminal mobster. Even if he's not in jail, he'll be disgraced for the rest of life (whatever is left of it) and all the norms he busted as President will essentially be restored because Trump would have essentially been certified a traitor and a fake President.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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As a thought exercise, I can't decide what would be preferable between Trump cutting a deal to resign in exchange for immunity (state and federal) to get him out of office immediately, out to tough it out for the next two years hoping RBG makes it and the House constrains him enough to minimize his damage and have him crucified upon leaving office.
Getting Trump to resign in some way is always the preferable option. The GOP is rudderless with him at the head of the party, they will be rudderless without a map or any means of propulsion with him gone. It will be interesting to see what replaces his void when he is either impeached, voted out, or god forbid... termed out. I don't think copycats will be possible and will the GOP part of the country as a whole really be as enthusiastic about Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz, or Tom Cotton? I don't think so.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Trump cannot be given a sweetheart deal like Agnew got, at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and make an example of someone who crosses it, and Trump drove through that line blaring his horn and started doing donuts with a russian flag flying on his vehicle.
 
Feb 28, 2018
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Trump needs to be removed from office and indicted, that's the only acceptable outcome.

If that fucker gets away the message will be that billionaire white dudes will never face consequences and that they're above the law.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Trump needs to be removed from office and indicted, that's the only acceptable outcome.

If that fucker gets away the message will be that billionaire white dudes will never face consequences and that they're above the law.
I’ll also take a Black Mirror “White Bear” scenario for him as well.
 
Nov 14, 2017
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Getting Trump to resign in some way is always the preferable option. The GOP is rudderless with him at the head of the party, they will be rudderless without a map or any means of propulsion with him gone. It will be interesting to see what replaces his void when he is either impeached, voted out, or god forbid... termed out. I don't think copycats will be possible and will the GOP part of the country as a whole really be as enthusiastic about Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz, or Tom Cotton? I don't think so.
The GOP can pivot to Haley and Walker as a "return to decency", and Cruz can at least guarantee them Texas.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Trump’s firing of Comey also launched the SC probe. He’s incapable of not fucking shit up.
It's also interesting to recall Trump's reaction to Comey's briefing on the Steele Dossier. We know from reporting and A Higher Loyalty that the intelligence heads decided to warn President-Elect Trump off-the-record that the Steele Dossier was out there and might break in the media. Rather than making it part of a formal intelligence brief, they had Comey stay behind in the Oval Office after a meeting and give him early warning without embarrassment.

However Trump didn't take it as a courteous heads-up, described in Russian Roulette and elsewhere, but as a threat:

After Comey departed, Trump was livid. He told aides, “This is bullshit.” He and his aides wondered why Comey had gone through this exercise. Then it hit Trump. “It’s a shakedown,” he exclaimed. Comey was trying to blackmail him, sending him a message that he and the others had something on him. This belief would shape Trump’s tumultuous relationship with Comey and the intelligence community.
This always struck me as bizarre behaviour - it's such a leap to assume that the Steele memos, if untrue, would have given the FBI any kind of leverage whatsoever.

Unless it's true.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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— they hardly praise him for it and spent a good majority of the pod talking about his position as a white supremacist talking head shades these comments

— the only reason this is getting any play at all is because it IS interesting. The thought leader of the conservative world is suddenly anti elitist? What? (They explain the limits of this conclusion)

— it is interesting because it reveals the populist split from an ideological movement that looks like it could lead the way to a more traditional party structure that actually rewards their constituents.

— I say all of the above but also think tucker is a monster. But this isn’t giving the host of the biggest cable news show on tv “a platform” and doesn’t ignore his vile racism. The point is that it reveals a fracture in conservatism that until now, only trump has really been able to vocalize. It is worth talking about and only more so because the first person to do it could be vocalizing it while also being a grand wizard of the kkk.
I still think the tones a little, well, tone deaf. A white nationalist rediscovering the socialist part of national socialism deserves more caveats than the weeds gave him, and also does t deserve the breathless head.ines Vox and other outlets have him.

That said, I think it genuinely is the most interesting thing to happen on the intellectual side of the right since the Cold War calcified right-libertarian fusionsim. If it’s a sign of things to come, it might also be the most important. Vox would be doing their readers a disservice if they didnt cover it. And, zingers about national socialism aside, the country will be better off for having right wing voices that can make critiques of capitalism that resonate with the base.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Pence doesn't have his very own death cult, and he might be the least charismatic person in Washington. He'd be the lamest duck in history, and literally anyone would beat him in a general election.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Saw this retweeted by Asha Rangappa (Former FBI Special Agent):

Leah McElrath @leahmcelrath

Russian oligarch, Putin ally, and Trump friend makes a thinly-veiled threat against SCOTUS Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg:

АРТЕМ КЛЮШИН @ARTEM_KLYUSHIN

Пришла пора выводить Рут Гинзбург из состава судей Верховного суда. Гинзбург, звезда либеральной юриспруденции, находится в Верховном суде уже 25 лет. Пора ей отдохнуть @realDonaldTrump

Google Translated:
Fuck this motherfucker. This better be investigated.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I hope not. She's in no position to be doing something like that, and it would look terrible for the rest of her career if she gave anyone part of her infinite momentum who then didn't win the presidency. Does her opinion matter? Of course. But kingmakers have to earn reputations first. She'd be giving an endorsement as a social media figure and not a politician, in other words. Basically a liberal version of a Trump endorsement.

The presidential primary is one of those times where it'd be best for her to just keep her head down for awhile and let the party sort it out. The last thing anyone here should want her to turn in to is someone who shoves her face into every nook and cranny to offer endless takes. They won't always be good.
You would not have posted this if she was likely to endorse Beto and not Bernie, so let's not pretend the concern is about whether or not she's in a position to endorse a primary candidate.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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None of these removal scenarios include the likely possibility that he’s an active Russian agent.

You gonna stop a burglar/murder/kidnapper in process by indicting him? No. Needs to be apprehended first.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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All it’s going to take is the ATCs walking off the job or an airline crash and Trump is done.
I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that. No one needs a horrible tragedy even if it means the shitfuck foregoes his stupid wall demand. I am certain the airports will take stock and start closing down terminals. The airline industry/lobbyists will start hounding the white house, if not already.
 
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