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US PoliERA 2019 |OT1| You down wit' NDP? (Yeah you know me!) Who's down wit' AOC? (This whole party!)
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Actually, I want her to stay in just long enough that people from Hawaii in her district hear about her views, then she can go. Straight out of Congress.
the early debates ensure that Trump will be silenced through the summer. the lack of universal media attention he usually gets is gonna drive him nuts. It was really smart for Perez and co. to start the debates earlier.
Do we have any polling on how people are viewing the shutdown?
I'm assuming it's the usual 35% floor of those blaming it on the Dems and wanting the wall.
I'm assuming it's the usual 35% floor of those blaming it on the Dems and wanting the wall.
50-55% blame Trump + GOP (50% Trump + 5% GOP), and the 30-35% MAGA base blames Democrats.
My galaxy brain take is he just says that to play to his constituents and hes just using this 2020 run to elevate his coverage and be in a better position for senate or something post 2020.
I zoned out of an Artifact game a few days ago, and played a card that would've killed my opponent's Hero on their Hero, instead of mine.
This is the RNC zoning out in the same way. I imagine there was a lot of "WTF OMG why did I do that? LOL!" right after that release went out.
Will David Sirota be the HA Goodman of 2020? Stay tuned...
Why on earth is Vox giving Tucker Carlson a platform and pretending that his creeping fascism is just an "interesting debate" happening among conservatives? I'm not even going to bother quoting anything from it.
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/10/18171912/tucker-carlson-fox-news-populism-conservatism-trump-gop
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/10/18171912/tucker-carlson-fox-news-populism-conservatism-trump-gop
As a thought exercise, I can't decide what would be preferable between Trump cutting a deal to resign in exchange for immunity (state and federal) to get him out of office immediately, out to tough it out for the next two years hoping RBG makes it and the House constrains him enough to minimize his damage and have him crucified upon leaving office.
It's obviously preferable to remove the active fuckin russian agent from all chains of command. almost don't care what it legally takes.
If Trump leaves, Pence takes his place so RBG would still have to hang on.
I hope not. She's in no position to be doing something like that, and it would look terrible for the rest of her career if she gave anyone part of her infinite momentum who then didn't win the presidency. Does her opinion matter? Of course. But kingmakers have to earn reputations first. She'd be giving an endorsement as a social media figure and not a politician, in other words. Basically a liberal version of a Trump endorsement.
The presidential primary is one of those times where it'd be best for her to just keep her head down for awhile and let the party sort it out. The last thing anyone here should want her to turn in to is someone who shoves her face into every nook and cranny to offer endless takes. They won't always be good.
Ugh... I guess friends in high places gets your access huh?
Government restaffs wildlife refuges during shutdown to allow hunters access
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is directing dozens of wildlife refuges to return to work to make sure hunters and others have access despite the government shutdown, according to an email obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press.
The partial restaffing of 38 wildlife refuges is angering wildlife groups, who accuse the Trump administration of trying to minimize the public impact of the more than two-week-old shutdown to limit the political blowback for President Donald Trump. Trump and Democrats in Congress are locked in a dispute over Trump's demand for billions of dollars for a wall on the southern U.S. border.
Government restaffs wildlife refuges during shutdown to allow hunters access
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is directing dozens of wildlife refuges to return to work to make sure hunters and others have access despite the government shutdown, according to an email obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press.
The partial restaffing of 38 wildlife refuges is angering wildlife groups, who accuse the Trump administration of trying to minimize the public impact of the more than two-week-old shutdown to limit the political blowback for President Donald Trump. Trump and Democrats in Congress are locked in a dispute over Trump's demand for billions of dollars for a wall on the southern U.S. border.
Mia Love is her running mate??Tulsi's slogan is fucking bad. lmfao.
Tulsi's slogan is fucking bad. lmfao.
I hope an actual progressive runs and wins her seat while she is focused on running for 2020 with her alt-rightish views on some things.
I mentioned it earlier too. They even made their weeds podcast today be about it, which included a whole lot of "putting aside how terrible he is about immigrants" which, no, you can't just do that. Those things are connected.
And of course the same leftist crowd that wanted to praise Carlson for his weak anti-war statements was sharing this same article because anything to make the democratic party look behind the issue I guess.
Probably for the best this place is completely uninterested by it. It's weird and annoying to see all sorts of sides of the political spectrum praise him for it outside here.
All it's going to take is the ATCs walking off the job or an airline crash and Trump is done.
— they hardly praise him for it and spent a good majority of the pod talking about his position as a white supremacist talking head shades these comments
— the only reason this is getting any play at all is because it IS interesting. The thought leader of the conservative world is suddenly anti elitist? What? (They explain the limits of this conclusion)
— it is interesting because it reveals the populist split from an ideological movement that looks like it could lead the way to a more traditional party structure that actually rewards their constituents.
— I say all of the above but also think tucker is a monster. But this isn't giving the host of the biggest cable news show on tv "a platform" and doesn't ignore his vile racism. The point is that it reveals a fracture in conservatism that until now, only trump has really been able to vocalize. It is worth talking about and only more so because the first person to do it could be vocalizing it while also being a grand wizard of the kkk.
no lie the ATC thing is giving me some anxiety about my flight next week
I told my job I'm straight up not traveling until air traffic controllers are paid. They got me fucked up if they think I'm gambling with my life because white people don't have sense enough to not vote for the racist rapist.
Nope. Trump and GOP will blame Dems for it. Media will ask why couldn't both sides compromise and whether it was worth it for GOP and Dems to play politics with people's lives (etc, etc). He's at 41 disapproval, most he will go to is like 39.
Honestly I don't even think the money is for a wall anymore I think he's trying to pay down some old loans because wtf
6 months ago I might have said just ride it out until 2020. But after the last 2-3 months where he abused the military for a fake caravan crisis, attempted to end asylum for refugees, bizarre incoherent public ramblings in cabinet meetings, recklessly pulling out of Syria with Mattis basically calling him a Russian agent, he's now surrounded by a half-dozen "acting" officials who are primarily lackeys, and Trump's willingness to take the whole country over the cliff simply because Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh hurt his feelings.
In season 1 we all knew Trump was crazy but there seemed to be enough guard rails to prevent him from doing any serious damage aside from a couple of crazy executive orders. But now at the end of season 2 and beginning of season 3, Trump is is actually causing real damage beyond breaking norms. He's getting increasingly more erratic and his acting like a wounded rabid wild animal. He will abuse every single lever of power available to him if it serves his personal interest. He doesn't give one shit about the state of the office of the President and the country when he leaves office. This makes him very dangerous because he'll raze and pillage anything and everything in his path.
It's this reason that if he offers up his resignation and leaves the office in disgrace for exchange for some criminal immunity, I say we take it. I would love to see Trump in a orange jump suit but I think it's probably more important in the long run that he leave the office in utter disgrace (not a Martyr) and the sooner, the better. The GOP has become so much a Trump Cult that even if the Mueller Report has a smoking gun, it still would be unlikely that enough GOP Senators would convict Trump in an impeachment trial. In fact the majority of the GOP would probably still rally behind Trump, so having Trump run-away in shame on his own might be the only way to get him out of office before 2020.
The one major stipulation in any resignation deal would be that Trump admit his guilt in full. If he wants to avoid criminal charges once he's out of office, then he has to admit to being a Russian agent and criminal mobster. Even if he's not in jail, he'll be disgraced for the rest of life (whatever is left of it) and all the norms he busted as President will essentially be restored because Trump would have essentially been certified a traitor and a fake President.
Getting Trump to resign in some way is always the preferable option. The GOP is rudderless with him at the head of the party, they will be rudderless without a map or any means of propulsion with him gone. It will be interesting to see what replaces his void when he is either impeached, voted out, or god forbid... termed out. I don't think copycats will be possible and will the GOP part of the country as a whole really be as enthusiastic about Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz, or Tom Cotton? I don't think so.
Trump cannot be given a sweetheart deal like Agnew got, at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and make an example of someone who crosses it, and Trump drove through that line blaring his horn and started doing donuts with a russian flag flying on his vehicle.
I'll also take a Black Mirror "White Bear" scenario for him as well.
He's not in her district. I tried to draft him last year. 🙁
Ye and Tuck should go on the same episode.
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Trump's firing of Comey also launched the SC probe. He's incapable of not fucking shit up.
The GOP can pivot to Haley and Walker as a "return to decency", and Cruz can at least guarantee them Texas.
It's also interesting to recall Trump's reaction to Comey's briefing on the Steele Dossier. We know from reporting and A Higher Loyalty that the intelligence heads decided to warn President-Elect Trump off-the-record that the Steele Dossier was out there and might break in the media. Rather than making it part of a formal intelligence brief, they had Comey stay behind in the Oval Office after a meeting and give him early warning without embarrassment.
However Trump didn't take it as a courteous heads-up, described in Russian Roulette and elsewhere, but as a threat:
This always struck me as bizarre behaviour - it's such a leap to assume that the Steele memos, if untrue, would have given the FBI any kind of leverage whatsoever.
Unless it's true.
I still think the tones a little, well, tone deaf. A white nationalist rediscovering the socialist part of national socialism deserves more caveats than the weeds gave him, and also does t deserve the breathless head.ines Vox and other outlets have him.
That said, I think it genuinely is the most interesting thing to happen on the intellectual side of the right since the Cold War calcified right-libertarian fusionsim. If it's a sign of things to come, it might also be the most important. Vox would be doing their readers a disservice if they didnt cover it. And, zingers about national socialism aside, the country will be better off for having right wing voices that can make critiques of capitalism that resonate with the base.
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