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US PoliEra 2019 |OT10| Go Absent Yourself
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"You don't understand BWoog, Clinton met his Attorney General on a tarmac! A TARMAC!"
"Cool ok, Trump is having regular meetings with Barr and not even trying to hide it, what about that?"
"....We don't want to talk about this anymore."
The secession-esque setting in the UK is fascinating with about a 90% single-party representation from Scotland and small local parties controlling all the Northern Ireland seats. And yeah Tories won't get a popular vote majority. Way to stick to your principles, LibDem voters!
Oh, right, I forgot that the top of the GOP bench is even more insane than the current generation of leadership, which is saying a lot.
Labour was never going to win, but I think they would have been hard pressed to do any worse than they actually did.
I think the main take away should be for the umpteenth time, Twitter does not equal reality. Polls were pretty clear as to what was going to happen today. I think there are other conclusions to draw, but that's the main one. I really, really, really am interested in seeing if youth turnout was down or not.
I think the main take away should be for the umpteenth time, Twitter does not equal reality. Polls were pretty clear as to what was going to happen today. I think there are other conclusions to draw, but that's the main one. I really, really, really am interested in seeing if youth turnout was down or not.
A ton can change in five years but right now I think Trump Jr has the best shot. Eddie Rispone got a governors nomination by pledging unending loyalty to Trump, how much better off will his kid do? The cult is real.
Well yes I have said since 2016 that he will keep his family going strong and Trump Jr. (or Ivanka I suppose) could be a thing.
But if we are talking more traditional GOP politicians DeSantis is the one to watch for.
It will come down to someone like him vs. whatever Trumpland cultists want which naturally feels like Don Jr. but what the hell do I know
Gym Jordan and Matt "bro let's crash Schiff's party on TV" Gaetz will be clown car entertainment during debates at best
It's really weird how we have a bunch of people who are good at their jobs and speaking and stuff but become an awkward bumbling embarrassment when they run for POTUS
like couldn't any of you people have just run and been chill for a second
https://www.inquirer.com/news/social-security-ssi-ssdi-trump-administration-disability-20191212.html
How accurate is The Philadelphia Inquirer? Because something significant like this slipping under the radar would be absolutely terrible.
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Can confirm. If I was a daydreaming idiot who didn't post here or read financial news I'd say the economy is fine.
It is not.
Thing is, different groups present different troubles.
Let's look at the youth vote.
Even in the best years voters under 30 barely crack 50%, and while this chart only shows Presidential election turnout we know that in 2014 the youth turnout was a measly 20%. You could do everything in your power to turn them out, have the most exhilarating and youthful candidates, ala Clinton in 92 or Obama in 08, and half will show up.
Meanwhile...
Black voters show the fuck up.
In the worst years they don't fall below 55%, so their basement for turnout is above the ceiling for youth's turnout. And this isn't even accounting for the often insane circumstances they often face regarding turnout, from urban voting booths being shut down sooner, moving between elections, and the other more nefarious means of vote suppression (not to say that youth voters don't have hurdles, but the comparison does not favor them). And even as black turnout was notoriously written about following 2016 it rebounded in the 2018 midterms to 51.4%, compared yo youth voting at 35.6%.
What does this mean? It means that even when they aren't excited or have an imperfect candidate, black voters still vote. Youth doesn't. Sanders and similar candidates putting so much stock in youth voting, to a degree forsaking the reliability of older voters, has deeper consequences than a candidate like Pete having issues attracting black voters. For one of those candidates, even the unexcited will make an effort; for the other, the biggest fans still won't bother.
You missed the point: in the event Bernie is the Democratic nominee, he already got youth turnout to unprecedented levels, so worrying about him not being able to turn them out in the general in this scenario is kind of weird. The Buttigieg comparison was meant to show that it's basically a self-solving problem, that to get the nomination in the first place the candidate would have already resolved their supposed main issue.
(and as VectorPrime alluded to in the original post, in the likely event that he doesn't activate the youth vote, then well he's not the nominee so whatever)
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Anyone trying to genuinely compare the situation with Corbyn as analogous to Sanders getting the nomination is being disingenuous as fuck.
Sanders has -3 favorability.
Corbyn has -40.
It's not as simple as "can't trust the youths!!!!"
Sanders has -3 favorability.
Corbyn has -40.
It's not as simple as "can't trust the youths!!!!"
She absolutely could run as a democrat. It wouldn't even be that weird.
He absolutely did not do that. Turnout levels in the 2016 primary were similar to prior primaries.
That son was also a shithead.
The problem is the insane emphasis on loyalty, it's completely unhealthy and is the sort of stuff that can get you into cronyism problems.
I know he didn't, the entire fucking point was that to be the nominee in the first place he would need to (and in the scenario where it did happen in the primary to carry him to the nomination, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't show up again in the general too given that it actually already happened).
The thing is I don't think the SNP victories are as promising as it seems. It's just nationalism winning again it's just the SNP sells every bit of the liberalism they push wrapped rah rah fuck yeah Scotland so it works better.
Maybe Biden has the right idea with his Randy Marsh "I'm sorry I thought this was America!" Schtick. Tap Joe Cunningham as VP
Maybe Biden has the right idea with his Randy Marsh "I'm sorry I thought this was America!" Schtick. Tap Joe Cunningham as VP
national democrats would never vote for a trump. New York overall hates trumps. Maybe she could run as a Florida senator or a Staten Island rep or something.
I mean, yeah. SNP do have the right idea that leveraging pariotism works no matter what policies you favor.
I have no faith that the democratic party wouldn't gladly "extend an olive branch" and welcome her, especially if she says the right things. Assuming she'd even want to, anyway.
I mean, there are a lot of factors there, but can't trust youths is definitely one of them given their entire campaign was centered around it (like, for example, dropping the voting age to 16).
I wasn't ready for this hot take. You need to warn us when you come in here and say this. I was standing and nearly collapsed.
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I really want to see a new SC poll from a pollster better than Change, it'd be interesting to see if their numbers are accurate (I know they're not, but...)
Claiming the deal covers IP laws and financial services and then never making the details public is lolworthy
We got on the subject of abortion, he said under no circumstances is it ever justified, even in instances of rape. That the woman needs to "accept the consequences".
I may be outdated, but libertarians skew whiter and more male than the GOP.We got on the subject of abortion, he said under no circumstances is it ever justified, even in instances of rape. That the woman needs to "accept the consequences".
See, that's not even libertarian. They're shitty as fuck, but they're usually "government shouldn't interfere with abortions and weed should be legal cause free markets" at least.We got on the subject of abortion, he said under no circumstances is it ever justified, even in instances of rape. That the woman needs to "accept the consequences".
I should correct to say, he didn't outright identify as libertarian, but said he aligned closest to it
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