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US PoliERA 2019 |OT2| #PresidentPelosi

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Oct 25, 2017
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What do y'all think the chances are of a woman/woman 2020 ticket?
I think there's a decent chance, but it's also quite likely the Dem nominee picks someone who wasn't considered to be a real contender.

Like everyone acts like the presidential nominee will pick another frontrunner and create a unity ticket or something, and that seems pretty rare. We didn't get McCain-Romney, Obama-Clinton, Romney-Santorum, Clinton-Sanders, Trump-Cruz etc.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I've never worked with AIPAC and I don't have a problem being specific in criticism of them. They're super shitty!
I can almost guarantee you that someone out there right now thinks that calling them shitty is anti-Semitic. It's not that easy to navigate but I like Omar's response and apology for not being more clear last night. I kind of wish that the Dem leadership hadn't thrown her under the bus so forcefully however.
 

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Omar's statement was very good. I just wish that Dem leadership had threaded the needle between defending her core criticism of the Israeli lobby while still pointing out the issues with how she put it. Would've been good to see them more visibly standing with their popular young member on this.
 
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I can almost guarantee you that someone out there right now thinks that calling them shitty is anti-Semitic. It's not that easy to navigate but I like Omar's response and apology for not being more clear last night. I kind of wish that the Dem leadership hadn't thrown her under the bus so forcefully however.
Ignore it when it comes from the GOP, listen when it comes from your own side is a very easy metric.
 

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Seriously, Omar's tweets were sloppy, but the response to them were pretty damn sloppy themselves, and I doubt we're going to get the same apology from them that Omar gave.


[B]Matthew Yglesias[/B]
@mattyglesias

Congressional leaders of both parties really did a good job today of debunking the notion that pro-Israel groups wield disproportionate influence on Capitol Hill.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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The Native American hits are never meant to actually poison her relationship with Native Americans.

They're just there to belittle her.
100%.

Especially considering Trump himself belittles Native Americans.

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My only actual tie to AIPAC is I used to work at a Jewish school. AIPAC would fully pay for several of the high school students to come to Washington DC and lobby for them every year. The school didn't pay a dime or pay any donations to them for it. That's about it.
 
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I cannot find any directly elected female heads of government (ie. not a Prime Minister) who have had another woman as their running mate. I might have missed one. But women being elected as Presidents that are both heads of state and government are extremely rare anyways.
 
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Sure, but that feels way more like an AIPAC/Israel story than a twitter story.
I mean, it's not like AIPAC started painting any criticism of Israel as racism in 2006, and it's not like it's the first time a Democrat had to apologize for criticizing Israel.
I think twitter being what it is, is what of the main motivators to start this all off with a cheeky hottake seemingly more geared towards getting retweets and high fives than actually saying anything meaningful.


If Omar get censured before King does, this is gonna be some fucking bullshit.
This is from the morning though, so I hope that statement released was it.
I don't expect anything else to happen after Pelosi remark and her apology. Unless you watch evening cable news which will likely trip over themselves for a night or two.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I think twitter being what it is, is what of the main motivators to start this all off with a cheeky hottake seemingly more geared towards getting retweets and high fives than actually saying anything meaningful.
I'm certainly in favor of every Democratic congressperson whose name doesn't rhyme with Alexandria Ocasio Shortez geting off twitter
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder how much calculus is going to be about uniting the geographical coalitions, with say a coastal and a midwestern candidate, versus the more cynical "we haven't even elected a woman president or vice president, is putting two women on the ballot together politically viable?"
 
Oct 27, 2017
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we're going to get a no deal Brexit aren't we
While it may not be a popular opinion, I always thought that Hard Brexit was realistically the only real outcome once Leave won. All nations in the EU have veto rights on any deal, and any deal that could get all of their support was never going to fly in the UK government. Same the other way round- any deal the UK could all agree was acceptable, the EU would flat out reject. There are some nations in the EU that would probably prefer that the UK get as soft a treatment as possible, while other nations (cough cough France) want to punish the Brits as hard as possible.

There was never any real chance of a deal.
 
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I think there's a decent chance, but it's also quite likely the Dem nominee picks someone who wasn't considered to be a real contender.
Kamala/Jerry Brown 2020.

"California cleaning up your shit."

Now Cohen's testimony is postponed again. What a goddamn tease
Dude is a grifter. They all are.

This idea that he was ever going to provide anything of substance is ridiculous.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Kamala/Jerry Brown 2020.

"California cleaning up your shit."
A joke I'm sure, but there will never be a ticket with two candidates from the same state. The Electoral College forbids electors from voting for a candidate for both President and Vice President who are from the same state.

If Harris-Brown was a real thing, either the 55 California electors would have to write in someone else for Vice President (which would send the decision to the Senate if the Democrats won), or split their votes so Harris and Brown both got over 270 to win.
 
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ha, with the caveat they don't kill each other first.

I wonder how much calculus is going to be about uniting the geographical coalitions, with say a coastal and a midwestern candidate, versus the more cynical "we haven't even elected a woman president or vice president, is putting two women on the ballot together politically viable?"
This, and Klobuchar's Senate relationships, are why I think a Harris/Klobuchar ticket might be the most viable option for an all-women ticket. Not a dissimilar dynamic from Obama and Biden, and what one brought to the table to shore up the other one.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Hey, Ted Lieu's been a great follow
Anti Ted Lieuism is real and I am grateful for the poliera members who are educating me on the painful history of anti Ted Lieu tropes. My intention is never to offend the posters of this thread or Ted Lieu followers as a whole. We have to always be willing to step back and think through criticism, this is why I unequivocally apologize.

That, and the fact that's I've been making dumb Ted Lieu and the Pharmacists jokes for like 4 years straight.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The only people who care about Warren's native american stuff are people that never would have voted for her. She made a mistake and apologized for it in good faith. There's nothing else to it. I'm sure the GOP has more documents that she wrote "Native American" on and will try to drip feed release them through the campaign but I don't see what difference it will make.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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As a point of reference, Hillary Clinton announced Tim Kaine would be her running mate in July of 2016.

We're a good 17 months out and a lot will happen in that time.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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A joke I'm sure, but there will never be a ticket with two candidates from the same state. The Electoral College forbids electors from voting for a candidate for both President and Vice President who are from the same state.
Jerry Brown is retired. He can move. :)

(But yes, it's a joke. Even if it were possible, he's too old and has cancer. He's not running for anything—to the detriment of all of us.)

The only people who care about Warren's native american stuff are people that never would have voted for her.
The only people who care about Hillary's emails are people who never would have voted for her.

The road you're headed down leads to disappointment. Never assume what the voting public will or will not care about based on your own opinions (even when you know something is objectively bullshit).
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This was posted yesterday and I said the same thing.

Wow I am not an apple fanboy but love this
It's a business decision for them. Apple and other tech companies rely on talented immigrant employees. If they lose Dreamers and other immigrant workers because of boneheaded Trump decisions, they will lose a key segment of their workforce.

Basically, he isn't saying that out of the goodness of his heart.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Good response, but the fact that the actual response is an attached picture to an actual tweet no longer than the one that got her into hot water just highlights the fact that maybe you shouldn't always be totally short on characters on twitter just for the sake of having a quick "sound bite" tweet that's quick to digest and retweet.

I think AOC has threaded this needle much better and isn't just putting single sentence tweets out there as responses to people. It's not like Twitter has the character limit it once had.
 
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It's a business decision for them. Apple and other tech companies rely on talented immigrant employees. If they lose Dreamers and other immigrant workers because of boneheaded Trump decisions, they will lose a key segment of their workforce.

Basically, he isn't saying that out of the goodness of his heart.
I am an Apple fanboy and I co-sign this.

Cook could be argued to be the least worst tech CEO, but that's still a tech CEO.
 
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