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US PoliERA 2019 |OT2| #PresidentPelosi

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is worse than what rep Omar said. What the fuck.

I read his thread and he's speaking from his direct experiences with AIPAC so I would expect that to be a lot more nuanced. I'm not sure if it's reasonable to expect someone without that level of personal contact with AIPAC to form criticism without invoking the influence that they hold over politicians and influence usually involves money. Should people without that level of contact just not talk about AIPAC at all to avoid the possibility of falling into anti-Semitic tropes?
They can and should do research to come to an understanding on the nuance without having first hand experience with it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Good response, but the fact that the actual response is an attached picture to an actual tweet no longer than the one that got her into hot water just highlights the fact that maybe you shouldn't always be totally short on character on twitter just for the sake of having a quick sound tweet that's easy to digest.

I think AOC has threaded this needle much better and isn't just putting single sentence tweets out there as responses to people. It's not like Twitter has the character limit it once had.
That's all I've ever been saying myself, but yet apparently that notion is so super controversial, and it's apparently impossible to handle this stuff with grace, or in a way that won't get you criticized at all, and so there's totally no point in bothering at all, despite stuff like this indicating otherwise and how easy this stuff really is and how you can accomplish her goals and aims without using messy language like that.

This discussion has just been super exhausting due to so many people trying to shove others into binary, this-or-that, yes-or-no boxes when that need not apply at all, and regardless of how many Republicans are obviously only attacking her for completely disingenuous and self-serving reasons, it can also be true at the same time that she did mess up and she can do better without losing anything in the process, as stuff like this response itself shows. Just such an exhausting discussion from wires getting crossed, people accusing others of saying stuff they were never saying to begin with, and trying to force each other into binary boxes without any need. Man...
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is worse than what rep Omar said. What the fuck.


They can and should do research to come to an understanding on the nuance without having first hand experience with it.
Indeed, I can also agree that that's terrible on Schumer's part and judging based on the fact that that tweet appears to be from last year and this is the first I'm hearing as it, even as someone who is heavily plugged into politics, doesn't seem to have gotten anywhere near the attention it deserves at the time. We definitely need to be having discussions like this. And that's why, despite my criticisms of her comments, I definitely hope people like Omar stay in Congress, and aren't kicked out or primaried or anything of the sort as we not only need voices like her's, but more of them, so that those type of discussions can be had, precisely because I don't find stuff like what Schumer said cool or helpful at all and we need to do better than that.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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This is worse than what rep Omar said. What the fuck.


They can and should do research to come to an understanding on the nuance without having first hand experience with it.
It's absolutely nothing new. Hillary and Bill have said similar things. The entire Dem apparatus is in a chokehold. Jimmy Carter is the only person who has the right frame of mind for this, but look how he has been smeared and ridiculed by everyone, including the Democrats, in the last 20 years after he flatly called out Israel an apartheid state. This is what we and rep. Omar have been fighting against.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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It's a business decision for them. Apple and other tech companies rely on talented immigrant employees. If they lose Dreamers and other immigrant workers because of boneheaded Trump decisions, they will lose a key segment of their workforce.

Basically, he isn't saying that out of the goodness of his heart.
I'm generally uninterested in what billionaires have to say unless it's "raise my taxes".
Tim Cook personally lobby for a reparation tax holiday, cool that he's for dreamers but I ain't gonna treat him as an ally, nor would I go out of my way to praise his political activity.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm generally uninterested in what billionaires have to say unless it's "raise my taxes".
Tim Cook personally lobby for a reparation tax holiday, cool that he's for dreamers but I ain't gonna treat him as an ally, nor would I go out of my way to praise his political activity.
Before we start talking about Tim Cook’s political activity at all I would want some clarity on his political donations and Apple’s.

Billionaires want you to think about their public statements and not their private choices. The latter are more important.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Hot take for the day: pay your fucking child support so you don’t get charged with felony refusal to pay child support.

I am unsympathetic to that critique.

The other stuff doesn’t sound too good.
With you there. Graffiti is one thing, no one is really "hurt" by it (and a felony seems extreme), but I will take the law's side against anyone blowing off their child support every time.

There's been some drama in my family lately, my grandpa died a few months ago and my uncle is losing his inheritance to go towards covering nineteen years' worth of missed child support payments. Feelings in the family are mixed but I'm firmly in the "maybe you should have tried to find a job instead of drinking yourself stupid" camp.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I really dread liberals going down the path of anyone having a record on crime punishment/prosecution being disqualifying. I want people to pay their child support and not graffiti and not sell drugs in my neighborhood. This cannot become a litmus test.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oct 25, 2017
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I really dread liberals going down the path of anyone having a record on crime punishment/prosecution being disqualifying. I want people to pay their child support and not graffiti and not sell drugs in my neighborhood. This cannot become a litmus test.
Only if people shut up about "Copmala."
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Before we start talking about Tim Cook’s political activity at all I would want some clarity on his political donations and Apple’s.

Billionaires want you to think about their public statements and not their private choices. The latter are more important.
I generally think that if someone agree with you an issue, you can almost always work with them toward achieving it (the "almost" here is to give me wiggle room to not work with nazis and shit).
But I am more and more starting to think that a whole lot of liberal rich people use gay rights and immigration in a way that is really not all that different than how conservative use the same "wedge issues" with their base.
I mean, they're obviously on the right side of the issue, and that's important, but like, they all try to get people to like them and sometime vote for them because hey, I may not like tax cuts for the rich, but at least they're against abortion/pro gay rights.
 
Nov 11, 2017
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I really dread liberals going down the path of anyone having a record on crime punishment/prosecution being disqualifying. I want people to pay their child support and not graffiti and not sell drugs in my neighborhood. This cannot become a litmus test.
The Dem ticket isn't a sole voice based on Racism like all GOP votes are. This spectrum of candidates is why the country needs a viable third party. The way this is going, the GOP will collect another win. Especially with Russian/Chinese election meddling going full steam. However, when you have such polar world views, yes, things are going to count against those they want to represent them in office.

I hope the field narrows, I'm ready to hold my nose and vote Kamala or whoever the leading dem is because a fascist is in office, 4 years of whomever that will be less than a fascist is a good vote. I just fear that its going to cause folks that are liberal, and aren't affected by trumps rhetoric, to take their ball and g home because no one is perfect. Or their choice didn't make it in. Again, highlighting the need for a third party.

Fascism isn't a non issue for me. But I know it is for people of social/visible privilege over others.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I generally think that if someone agree with you an issue, you can almost always work with them toward achieving it (the "almost" here is to give me wiggle room to not work with nazis and shit).
But I am more and more starting to think that a whole lot of liberal rich people use gay rights and immigration in a way that is really not all that different than how conservative use the same "wedge issues" with their base.
I mean, they're obviously on the right side of the issue, and that's important, but like, they all try to get people to like them and sometime vote for them because hey, I may not like tax cuts for the rich, but at least they're against abortion/pro gay rights.
You have arrived at the Marxist analysis of race. Here is your complimentary subscription to Jacobin.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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When Republicans stop using "GLOBALIST" as a dog whistle for Jews, I'll consider both sidesing antisemitism. But as it stands, the right wing is consistently antisemitic, and are also the first ones to jump up and shout about it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not paying your child support is literally stealing food out of your child’s mouth. Not sure what the circumstances would be to make that awesome.
Not awesome, but like, not being able to afford child support warrants felony defacto debtors prison?

Not saying that was the circumstance, just saying that would be a circumstance in which a felony is probably not appropriate.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not awesome, but like, not being able to afford child support warrants felony defacto debtors prison?

Not saying that was the circumstance, just saying that would be a circumstance in which a felony is probably not appropriate.
Exactly.

Also, the government itself should be ensuring that those kids have plenty of food for their mouths because they're American citizens (note: or rather because they are human beings in general) and we produce more than enough food to feed them.

This is not a defense of deadbeat dads, but a realistic assessment of the fact that some single fathers are likely poor themselves.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I generally think that if someone agree with you an issue, you can almost always work with them toward achieving it (the "almost" here is to give me wiggle room to not work with nazis and shit).
But I am more and more starting to think that a whole lot of liberal rich people use gay rights and immigration in a way that is really not all that different than how conservative use the same "wedge issues" with their base.
I mean, they're obviously on the right side of the issue, and that's important, but like, they all try to get people to like them and sometime vote for them because hey, I may not like tax cuts for the rich, but at least they're against abortion/pro gay rights.
The main roadblock to expansion of the welfare state is the racism, not the marginally different views on economic policy.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Lol, Bernie isn't going to drive turnout more than the first black woman to have a shot at President. I guess Warren can be the first American Indian. Oh wrong thread. Whatevr
 
Apr 4, 2018
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Lol, Bernie isn't going to drive turnout more than the first black woman to have a shot at President. I guess Warren can be the first American Indian. Oh wrong thread. Whatevr
No don’t you see if Bernie is on the ballot all of the West Virginian Hill people who normally vote straight ticket racism will instead vote for the Socialist.
 
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