US PoliERA 2019 |OT2| #PresidentPelosi

Oct 27, 2017
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People are forgetting how awesome he is on the stump
I'll be paying attention when/if he announces and proves that he won't be a white man running for president trying to straddle the middle and not bringing the rhetorical fire we're seeing already from the two most prominent women candidates. That crap won't fly nowadays. Obama-style Kumbaya is not what we'll vote for right now.
 
Oct 30, 2017
9,166
London
Beto's both-sidesy comments a couple weeks back really turned off a lot of people.



I am 100% for democrats turning this election cycle into a "Every average American vs. the rich GOP billionaires" scenario.



"Senate Intel Committee" aka "We were never going to look hard enough to find anything Committee"
The series of contacts between Trump's associates, his campaign officials, his children and various Russians suggest a campaign willing to accept help from a foreign adversary, the Democrats say.

By many counts, Trump and his associates had more than 100 contactswith Russians before the January 2017 presidential inauguration.

"Donald Trump Jr. made clear in his messages that he was willing to accept help from the Russians," one Democratic Senate investigator said. "Trump publicly urged the Russians to find Clinton's missing emails."
Not really the same thing as active collusion though. The report even says the Dems they interviewed don’t dispute Burr’s characterisation.

Still curious to see what Stone digs up.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,832
This is the dumbest observation on my part but you can clearly see why people think he has teeny hands -- his palm-to-finger-length ratio is allll fucked up.

(also jesus christ look at his skin sagging on his hands. you gotta be old as fuck for that.)
If he weren't morbidly obese, he'd look like Boris Karloff in The Mummy.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,639
Fucking awesome

Says the guy who was convinced he'd beat Ted.
I thought he had a good shot, but it came down to him being hurt by the top of the ticket. The candidate for governor was horrible and couldn't even hit her fundraising goals. He still came closer than any candidate in recent history and got wins for alot of candidates in TX that would have lost without him on the ticket. He won't face those same issues running for President.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oct 27, 2017
13,109
Anyone is going to have a hard time against Trump in 2020. There are a lot of solidly red states and far too many stupidly red swing-y states.
We'll just have to wait and see but truth be told, Republicans voted for him anyway and there were a TON of people (Democrats and Independents) who voted Trump simply out of the fact that they hated Hillary that much.

We won't be running into that problem again and Trump BARELY won. We now have 4 years of his shitshow to dash a ton of his promises.

I'm not saying it will be an easy win, I'm just saying that a lot of the facts add up against him.
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell
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Oct 25, 2017
11,352
Warren is the kind of candidate we need but that we don't deserve. If we were a country that cared about policy and not ephemeral "likability" bullshit she would be a shoe-in.
You are not wrong, but if we were in that country Trump never would have gotten elected in the first place.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,625
Anyone is going to have a hard time against Trump in 2020. There are a lot of solidly red states and far too many stupidly red swing-y states.
A hard time, yes, but I don't think it will be in terms of states. He's much less popular nationwide now than in 2016, and he barely won in unique circumstances, most of which are no longer present. The hard time will be the dipshit media which will inevitably try to treat both candidates as equal in everything. He'll also be way better funded than last time and ramping up the extremist propaganda (which said dipshit media won't push back on hardly at all).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Anyone is going to have a hard time against Trump in 2020. There are a lot of solidly red states and far too many stupidly red swing-y states.
And racist rhetoric and fearmongering will be way worse this round since it was so successful in the previous presidential election. Sadly due to the damn electoral college our hopes lie in states where white fragility is at its worst, those people will easily get scared into voting from trump gain. We saw a preview of what's to come in Florida and Georgia where the republians won the governor race by slim margins and mostly because of how effective the caravan bullshit was with those racists.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,566
We'll just have to wait and see but truth be told, Republicans voted for him anyway and there were a TON of people (Democrats and Independents) who voted Trump simply out of the fact that they hated Hillary that much.

We won't be running into that problem again and Trump BARELY won. We now have 4 years of his shitshow to dash a ton of his promises.

I'm not saying it will be an easy win, I'm just saying that a lot of the facts add up against him.
It is, but we shouldn't assume we can nominate anyone and win. We need margin for error to take the Senate and to be able to absorb a couple things breaking against us.
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,300
We'll just have to wait and see but truth be told, Republicans voted for him anyway and there were a TON of people (Democrats and Independents) who voted Trump simply out of the fact that they hated Hillary that much.

We won't be running into that problem again and Trump BARELY won. We now have 4 years of his shitshow to dash a ton of his promises.

I'm not saying it will be an easy win, I'm just saying that a lot of the facts add up against him.
A lot of people point to "well Trump was unpopular in 2016 too," but that's missing some context. Like here's the Trump pros and cons as a candidate in 2016:

- 40% favorability
+ seen as a successful businessman/deal maker in spite of his crass personality and bigoted remarks/actions
+ "outsider" who can shake up the system
+ opponent was trying to win a third consecutive term for the same party
+ running against an opponent who's nearly as unpopular as he is

He doesn't have those middle three going for him in 2020. It's tough to topple incumbents but that's also compared to like, 2004 or 2012 when said incumbent still had decent approval ratings. Trump's are shit.

I don't think we should take anything for granted, especially without knowing who his opponent will be (and how badly the GOP slander machine will end up damaging them), but even if we say it's a coin toss I'd put a small weight on the Democrat's side at least.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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And racist rhetoric and fearmongering will be way worse this round since it was so successful in the previous presidential election. Sadly due to the damn electoral college our hopes lie in states where white fragility is at its worst, those people will easily get scared into voting from trump gain. We saw a preview of what's to come in Florida and Georgia where the republians won the governor race by slim margins and mostly because of how effective the caravan bullshit was with those racists.
I can say from experience that here in Georgia, Republicans won because they fucking cheated. Brian Kemp was in charge of the Election that he himself was running in. People on the ground are going to attempt to subvert that shit next time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
17,434
Western New York
Warren is the kind of candidate we need but that we don't deserve. If we were a country that cared about policy and not ephemeral "likability" bullshit she would be a shoe-in.
If we were like that, Kerry and Hillary both would have easily won their elections

We'd be in such a better place if people didn't instinctively vote for the most "likeable" candidate
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,189
Lol trump at the rally asking if everything was okay with the cameraman who was attacked. Hey guys, did my hate mob get ya? Yeah you gotta watch out, are you okay? Okay back to business, those guys back there are the enemy of the American people!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's going to be hard to convince people Gillibrand deserves to be at the later debates over Tulsi and Castro if she's still polling at 1.She really might drop out before Iowa.
At minimum she should make a policy her Big Deal(tm) and ask candidates to support it or not. That's how you move a party around even if you don't win the primary.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,346
Kentucky
It's interesting and amazing that the flood gates holding back women candidates seems to have finally burst. Hillary might have lost, but an army of women are now following in her footsteps.
Ironically, I think Hillary losing is partially why we're seeing so many female candidates. Women have finally had enough with all of the bullshit we've thrown at them and are taking things into their own hands. It's pretty awesome.
 
Oct 30, 2017
9,166
London
Lol trump at the rally asking if everything was okay with the cameraman who was attacked. Hey guys, did my hate mob get ya? Yeah you gotta watch out, are you okay? Okay back to business, those guys back there are the enemy of the American people!
Is he at another rally already? Christ he’s got no job.
 
Nov 9, 2017
815
If Warren is our candidate it will be all native american mockery all the time and since that's all anyone will talk about it just be "but her emails" all over again all the way to a loss.
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell
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Oct 25, 2017
11,352
It's interesting and amazing that the flood gates holding back women candidates seems to have finally burst. Hillary might have lost, but an army of women are now following in her footsteps.
A lot of older people legit thought she'd be the one to finally do it. We've all been making jokes about it for ages and ages. Now that there's not an inevitability to wait on, someone has to step up and do it.

Ironically, I think Hillary losing is partially why we're seeing so many female candidates. Women have finally had enough with all of the bullshit we've thrown at them and are taking things into their own hands. It's pretty awesome.
Also this.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,707
So.Cal.
Trump won by a fluke of the electorate. And unless the Dems fuck up REALLY BAD (which is certainly possible), repeating this fluke for trump will be nigh impossible, especially when you consider all the Dem votes that stayed home in 2016 assuming Clinton would win.