When a person breaks part of the government because why not he is a lot worse than Trump is.
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US PoliERA 2019 |OT2| #PresidentPelosi
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When a person breaks part of the government because why not he is a lot worse than Trump is.
Republicans continue to stand strong with Trump as he shreds the constitutions and norms. It's all on record especially when the Majority leader is making public statements. They are owning this shit, loudly. It will be much harder in the future for Republicans to argue there was a Trump problem, not a Republican problem.
Just last night the analyst-eratti were saying how McConnell knows they'll be blocking Trump's emergency declaration, so he'll just let Trump do it for now. Right...
We must never let people forget that Trump is a symptom of what McConnell et al were already up to.
How will they block it? McConnell will never allow it to be voted upon, and other Republicans will never force the issue.
We'll get the usual talk, but no action from his enablers.
It has by law to be put up for vote in the Senate. Might not pass but they have to vote on the House resolution
I've been telling people this every time it comes up.
The "oh thank God, Trump's gone, I don't need to worry about politics anymore" chorus once Trump is out of office is going to be insufferable.
He actually has to though. He can't not bring it to the floor by law.
There is nobody I wish more currently in our government to watch suffer than McConnell
This fuck sends me into a very dark place.
If Pelosi passes it in the House, by law it has to come to a vote in the Senate because it's a privileged resolution. He can't block it.
There's a high chance we can get 4 GOP senators to vote against him. Blocking the resolution only requires 51 votes, not 60.
Even though he'll probably veto it, we still want it to be seen passing both chambers.
I think it'll take longer than you fear.
After all, Trump and his cohorts aren't going to be out of the news when they're out of the whitehouse, as we continue investigations and legal proceeding against them etc. Should help keep people focused on how much politics needs to change to guard against the same bullshit. At least for a few years anyway.
Cause you know, he's not going to be 'gone' when he's out of the whitehouse. Not by a long shot.
Anything I have to say about this man will catch me a ban at this point, so I'll just say that this is utterly absurd.
I think it'll be a local police vs. federal forces issue. Local police won't step in front of DoD/Army/Federal troops taking away land. We saw it with the butterfly sanctuary a few weeks ago. The bulldozers will be on standby, and in the middle of the night will cut everything up, a basic fence will be in place and done. It can become a wall later or never. And no court injunction will bring back the park because it'll be too late. A decade of court action that will result in 25k in reparations to the land owner but in reality the loss of irreplaceable heritage sites. It's the same with construction sites where developers "accidentally" or "miscommunicate" with the bulldozer guys, an old building is gone and a huge condo will be in its place.
Trump even has a history with this, with that building facade they were court required to preserve. Someone conveniently "forgot" to tell the demolition guys and so it was gone in a few hours. Then the historical restrictions on the building were gone. There is no recourse for that kind of stuff. And he bragged about it too.
That butterfly thing was apparently on federal land. So if true, that's not a good test case.
I'm hopeful the level of engagement in the 2018 midterms continues as a baseline rather than a Trump-inspired aberration, even if it did take Trump to get us there.
We've had good midterms before, but there's a difference between say, the Democrats getting 42 million votes in 2006 and 60 million votes in 2018.
Anecdotally I've heard many people say something along the lines of "I used to not vote/only voted in presidential elections, but now I realize how important it is and will vote in every election," which is a good first step. The only real question now is whether or not I believe them.
Like, I think we can swing two Senate seats (WI and PA, most likely) in 2022 even with a Democratic president - but only if our base takes those midterms as seriously as Trump's base did last year.
Re: McConnell and the forces of banal political obliviousness in a post Trump reality, if it ever gets here:
What I'd be worried about playing out over the next 20 years is a tremendous mix of political upheaval in the face of catastrophic climate change while billionaires pluck their fiddles from on high. Combine that with 'not Trump, at least' and you get national riots with no clear target, except perhaps the most vulnerable among us.
What I'd be worried about playing out over the next 20 years is a tremendous mix of political upheaval in the face of catastrophic climate change while billionaires pluck their fiddles from on high. Combine that with 'not Trump, at least' and you get national riots with no clear target, except perhaps the most vulnerable among us.
For what it's worth, this has been my argument for the biggest reason he'll likely lose in 2020. Lots of people just want to go back to not hearing about the news 24/7.
Yeah, it probably shakes out in our favor in the short-term. Especially if the Democrat is someone relatively boring (e.g. Biden).
also lol I was looking through House results, I've never looked at them too closely. For all the hype about Ojeda, the D candidate in WV-2 (who I'd never heard of) actually did better than him, only losing by 11 points to Ojeda's 13-point margin. WV-3 is a redder district so that makes sense, but still lol.
I'm sure she just dug in
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I can't wait for the complaints in the OT to move from "Too many Trump threads!!" to just "Too many political threads!!"
So maybe some longshot cross your fingers details today. Mueller is doing a sentencing memo for Manafucked. Whitaker isnt there and Barr also isnt there to see it. So maybe he sneak in some good shit DoJ might have blocked otherwise?
Wait till
Voters find out Corey Booker is a vegan. His numbers in south will drop
Demmycrats, I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.
I've always maintained that if Democrats campaign on the fact that Trump likes his steak well done and with ketchup, the south would go blue so fast.
Does Mitchy's press release even matter? Most people don't want the wall. Most people don't want the emergency declaration. They wanted "Democratic intransigence" or whatever LOLworthy phrase he used.
I'm so bored with the dumb shit Mitch says. I'll save my ire for when he breaks government in order to do things like stacking the Supreme Court and forcing future Democratic leadership to just up and ignore their rulings, thus weakening the court and expanding the power of the executive.
I'm so bored with the dumb shit Mitch says. I'll save my ire for when he breaks government in order to do things like stacking the Supreme Court and forcing future Democratic leadership to just up and ignore their rulings, thus weakening the court and expanding the power of the executive.
McConnell is in his late 70s. In that future, he'll be long dead and the Republicans of then will just dismiss the actions of whatever these fuckers are doing now. It won't even be so much a distancing from them as it'll be some bullshit gaslighting like "Democrats need to stop pointing fingers and focusing on the past, and work with us on moving forward into the future."
Look at Bush. For eight years he was the champion and rallying point of the Republican Party. Today he may as well not even exist. Trent Lott, Dennis Hastert, John Boehner, who the fuck are these people to Republicans now? They've been scrubbed from their collective memories. And by the end of the next decade you'll see the same with Trump and McConnell. There's no reckoning for Republicans in needing to confront or admit that there's "a Republican problem" because they forget their own culpability and own despicable leaders as soon as fucking possible.
If I make it to die of old age, and Republicans still exist, they will still ignore their entire political history except for Reagan being the best president evar (lol) and did you know Lincoln was a Republican so we aren't actually racist?
Finally a proposal (non-candidate) putting Medicare 4 Kidz out there-https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/
The demographic/campaigning aspects of this are pretty obvious lol
Everyone will vote no or present. It's an attempt to try and fracture the caucus but even Bernie knows not to bite.
Alright. So it's a galaxy-sized maneuver because turtle has nothing else.
Potential 5-4 decison of a pretty blatant partisan census question that could affect an accurate count of people in the US and affect redistricting in 2021 potentially in favor of one party ocwr another?
Yes.
Yes, I don't trust Roberts at all on this and when know these partisan fucks will only want it more if its shown to depress responses.
Something to the effect of, it's their right to include the question, even if it sabotages the results.
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