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Hopfrog

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Oct 27, 2017
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One would hope, but the root problem still remains.

Americans are fucking stupid and lack critical thinking and basic fact checking abilities and/or are too lazy to do so.

Agree. Legislation might mitigate some of the effects, but ultimately these campaigns are so successful because many Americans are simply incapable or unwilling to treat their sources of information critically. This doesn't excuse the perpetrators, who should be the focus of legislation when possible and warranted, but Americans really need to stop being so credulous. It has always been a problem, but social media proliferation makes it an epistemological epidemic.
 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
23,823


Politco: Virginia voters — including African-Americans — get Northam's back
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam appears to have quelled any widespread public clamor for his resignation in the wake of his blackface scandal.
Two new polls out Wednesday show pluralities say the Democrat should not quit or be forced out over a racist photo that appeared on his medical-school yearbook page 35 years ago. Most African-American voters agree that he shouldn't go, according to one of the surveys.
In a Quinnipiac University poll, 42 percent of voters say Northam should resign — but more, 48 percent, say he shouldn't. White voters are split evenly — 46 percent say he should resign, and the same percentage say he shouldn't — but a majority of black voters, 56 percent, say Northam should not quit.
Even fewer Virginians say Northam should resign in a second poll out Wednesday, conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs for the University of Virginia Center for Politics. In that poll, which surveyed adults in the commonwealth, only 31 percent say Northam should resign, compared to 43 percent who say he shouldn't.
Both polls show scant support for impeaching Northam. In the Quinnipiac poll, only 26 percent say Northam should be impeached, while nearly two-in-three voters, 65 percent, say he shouldn't. In the Ipsos/U-Va. poll, just 21 percent say the General Assembly should remove Northam, while 56 percent say state legislators shouldn't impeach the governor.


QUP: February 20, 2019 - Almost Half Of Virginia Voters Say Gov Should Not Quit, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Voters Split On Whether Fairfax Should Resign

With support from black voters, 48 percent of Virginia voters say Gov. Ralph Northam should not resign, as 42 percent say he should step down, according to a Quinnipiac University Poll released today. By a much wider 65 - 26 percent, voters say Gov. Northam should not be impeached.
Voters are divided 36 - 36 percent on whether Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax should resign, but say 54 - 24 percent he should not be impeached, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.
Attorney General Mark Herring should not resign, Virginia voters say 54 - 22 percent, and say 63 - 16 percent he should not be impeached.
Virginia voters give Gov. Northam a negative 39 - 44 percent approval rating, down from a positive 49 - 25 percent approval in a June 26, 2018 Quinnipiac University poll.
There is a wide racial gap as black voters approve 49 - 24 percent, while white voters disapprove 50 - 36 percent.
Black voters say 56 - 31 percent that Northam should not resign, with white voters split 46 - 46 percent.
Northam is not a racist, Virginia voters say 62 - 21 percent, with little difference between black and white voters. But voters disapprove 69 - 20 percent of the way he is handling the controversy involving him wearing blackface when he was in his 20s.
"The good news for Gov. Ralph Northam is that Virginia voters have mixed feelings about him - not terrible but hardly reassuring in the wake of the brouhaha over his alleged use of blackface when he was a medical student more than three decades ago" said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.
"Perhaps working to Northam's benefit is that Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax is viewed much, much more negatively as he faces sexual assault and rape allegations. And voters say by very strong margins they don't believe his denials," Brown added.
"Attorney General Mark Herring scores best among the three officials in hot water." Virginia voters give Northam a negative 36 - 45 percent favorability rating. They are divided on whether he is honest, as 41 percent say yes and 44 percent say no. Only 42 percent of voters are confident in Northam's ability to lead Virginia effectively, as 47 percent are not.
Northam is not the right person to work to heal racial divisions in Virginia, voters say 54 - 32 percent.
Prejudice against black people is a serious problem in Virginia, voters say 61 - 35 percent, but 60 percent of voters say Virginia has less racism against black people today than it did "a few decades ago."
Justin Fairfax
Only 12 percent of Virginia voters believe Lt. Gov. Fairfax's denial of accusations of sexual assault, while 37 percent believe his two accusers, with 51 percent undecided.
Voters say 84 - 12 percent that the Virginia House of Delegates should wait for an investigation of these accusations before considering impeachment of Fairfax.
Fairfax gets a negative 11 - 36 percent favorability rating.
Ipsos: Virginia Sentiment Toward its Government

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Oct 27, 2017
5,887
this whole disinformation campaign from fucking foreign powers worries me to no end. Wonder if democrats get into power they can put out legislation that ends this madness.

A huge reason the 2016 fuckery worked so well is because the people who were aware of the attempted fuckery were hesitant to disclose the fuckery for fear of fucking up the outcome of the election in exactly the way the fuckery intended.

As it turns out, not going public with the fuckery allowed the fuckery to fuck with the election unabated. It was a huge fuck-up.

I'm not saying there's no cause for concern. But it's far from a fait accompli and everyone having their hackles up about it makes it much more difficult. There were surely fuckery attempts in 2018 and they did diddlysquat.
 

Ac30

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Oct 30, 2017
14,527
London


Politco: Virginia voters — including African-Americans — get Northam's back
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam appears to have quelled any widespread public clamor for his resignation in the wake of his blackface scandal.
Two new polls out Wednesday show pluralities say the Democrat should not quit or be forced out over a racist photo that appeared on his medical-school yearbook page 35 years ago. Most African-American voters agree that he shouldn't go, according to one of the surveys.
In a Quinnipiac University poll, 42 percent of voters say Northam should resign — but more, 48 percent, say he shouldn't. White voters are split evenly — 46 percent say he should resign, and the same percentage say he shouldn't — but a majority of black voters, 56 percent, say Northam should not quit.
Even fewer Virginians say Northam should resign in a second poll out Wednesday, conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs for the University of Virginia Center for Politics. In that poll, which surveyed adults in the commonwealth, only 31 percent say Northam should resign, compared to 43 percent who say he shouldn't.
Both polls show scant support for impeaching Northam. In the Quinnipiac poll, only 26 percent say Northam should be impeached, while nearly two-in-three voters, 65 percent, say he shouldn't. In the Ipsos/U-Va. poll, just 21 percent say the General Assembly should remove Northam, while 56 percent say state legislators shouldn't impeach the governor.


QUP: February 20, 2019 - Almost Half Of Virginia Voters Say Gov Should Not Quit, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Voters Split On Whether Fairfax Should Resign

With support from black voters, 48 percent of Virginia voters say Gov. Ralph Northam should not resign, as 42 percent say he should step down, according to a Quinnipiac University Poll released today. By a much wider 65 - 26 percent, voters say Gov. Northam should not be impeached.
Voters are divided 36 - 36 percent on whether Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax should resign, but say 54 - 24 percent he should not be impeached, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.
Attorney General Mark Herring should not resign, Virginia voters say 54 - 22 percent, and say 63 - 16 percent he should not be impeached.
Virginia voters give Gov. Northam a negative 39 - 44 percent approval rating, down from a positive 49 - 25 percent approval in a June 26, 2018 Quinnipiac University poll.
There is a wide racial gap as black voters approve 49 - 24 percent, while white voters disapprove 50 - 36 percent.
Black voters say 56 - 31 percent that Northam should not resign, with white voters split 46 - 46 percent.
Northam is not a racist, Virginia voters say 62 - 21 percent, with little difference between black and white voters. But voters disapprove 69 - 20 percent of the way he is handling the controversy involving him wearing blackface when he was in his 20s.
"The good news for Gov. Ralph Northam is that Virginia voters have mixed feelings about him - not terrible but hardly reassuring in the wake of the brouhaha over his alleged use of blackface when he was a medical student more than three decades ago" said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.
"Perhaps working to Northam's benefit is that Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax is viewed much, much more negatively as he faces sexual assault and rape allegations. And voters say by very strong margins they don't believe his denials," Brown added.
"Attorney General Mark Herring scores best among the three officials in hot water." Virginia voters give Northam a negative 36 - 45 percent favorability rating. They are divided on whether he is honest, as 41 percent say yes and 44 percent say no. Only 42 percent of voters are confident in Northam's ability to lead Virginia effectively, as 47 percent are not.
Northam is not the right person to work to heal racial divisions in Virginia, voters say 54 - 32 percent.
Prejudice against black people is a serious problem in Virginia, voters say 61 - 35 percent, but 60 percent of voters say Virginia has less racism against black people today than it did "a few decades ago."
Justin Fairfax
Only 12 percent of Virginia voters believe Lt. Gov. Fairfax's denial of accusations of sexual assault, while 37 percent believe his two accusers, with 51 percent undecided.
Voters say 84 - 12 percent that the Virginia House of Delegates should wait for an investigation of these accusations before considering impeachment of Fairfax.
Fairfax gets a negative 11 - 36 percent favorability rating.
Ipsos: Virginia Sentiment Toward its Government

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Politicians have adopted Trump's playbook of just waiting out scandals.
 

Panic Freak

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Oct 26, 2017
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What has the OPPOSITION PARTY at the NYT reported on this time to earn his ire today?


They posted a long article about his public and private efforts to derail the investigations that directly affect him. The article didn't even mention that he went on NBC and admitted that he was thinking about the Russia probe when he fired Comey.
 

Suiko

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Oct 25, 2017
2,931
Politicians have adopted Trump's playbook of just waiting out scandals.

Based on how things have played out and additional information that came out and responses given,
Put Mark Herring in charge and move on.

Edit: Northam made things worse by each step he has taken since the photo was found.
Fairfax the same.

It's frustrating, since the greatest chance of getting someone out is to pressure them to resign immediately, but that forgoes any chance of additional information to come out.
 

Menelaus

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Oct 27, 2017
3,682
this whole disinformation campaign from fucking foreign powers worries me to no end. Wonder if democrats get into power they can put out legislation that ends this madness.
You should be. Russia has been working to accomplish this ideological subversion for 30 years at a minimum. He mentions here they had a 15-30 year target to achieve "complete demoralization" of the american people. Welp, here we fucking are.



Everyone should watch the full interview, but this little snippet is the heart of the problem.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,620
Maybe Graham should direct a fraction of that ire toward the commander in chief ordering that Syria withdrawal in the first place.
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
38,280
As shitty as things are now, imagine if a Nazi rally was being held at Madison Square Garden today with 20,000 attendees

 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
23,823

ABC News @ABC

Pres. Trump will host Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz at the White House today.

Europe's youngest head of state, Kurz ran on hard-line immigration positions, and entered a governing coalition with the nationalist, anti-migration Freedom Party. https://abcn.ws/2SMqCJ4

10:42 AM - Feb 20, 2019

ABC News: What to know about Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz on his Trump visit
The outspoken, Trump-appointed U.S. ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, called Kurz a "rockstar" in an interview for the conservative news site Breitbart in July. In the same interview, Grenell said he wanted to "empower" European conservatives -- a statement that caused sharp backlash on both sides of the Atlantic for politicizing diplomacy.
The two leaders will meet for a private conversation on Wednesday where, according to a White House statement, they will "look to address both global conflicts and those in the European neighborhood, promote economic prosperity, and strengthen energy security."

Yesterday:

Embassy of Austria @AustriainUSA

Upon arrival in #WashingtonDC @sebastiankurz met w/ @secpompeo.#HospitalityGift "The #MarshallPlan. Saving #Europe, Rebuilding #Austria" (2017), the first comprehensive documentation of the most successful project of post-war economic policy#EuropeanRecoveryPlan

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9:30 PM - Feb 19, 2019
 

AndyD

Mambo Number PS5
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Oct 27, 2017
8,602
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Josh Rogin @joshrogin

Lindsey Graham told Acting Defense Secretary Shanahan if Trump completely withdraws from Syria: "That's the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard... I am now your adversary, not your friend." https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/20/inside-patrick-shanahans-clash-with-congress-munich-over-syria/?utm_term=.89bf4f0d132b … @washingtonpost

9:18 AM - Feb 20, 2019

WaPo Op-ed: Inside Patrick Shanahan's clash with Congress in Munich over Syria
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), the leader of the main congressional delegation, pressed Shanahan on whether he was telling European officials in Munich that the full U.S. withdrawal from Syria was a done deal.
"Are you telling our allies that we are going to go to zero by April 30?" he asked Shanahan, according to Graham.
"Yes, that's been our direction [from the president]," Shanahan replied.
"That's the dumbest f---ing idea I've ever heard," Graham responded.
Graham then launched into a list of consequences he feared would result from a precipitous U.S. withdrawal from Syria without a follow-up plan: The Islamic State would return, Turkey would attack Kurdish forces, Iran would gain the advantage. Graham asked Shanahan if he disagreed with that analysis.
"That could very well happen," Shanahan said.
"Well, if the policy is going to be that we are leaving by April 30, I am now your adversary, not your friend," Graham told the acting Pentagon chief, according to Graham. (Several other lawmakers confirmed this exchange.)
Graham's alternative idea, which he spent the weekend pitching in Europe, is for European countries to contribute hundreds of new troops to build a safe zone on the Syrian side of the Turkish border. This zone would keep the Islamic State from returning and provide a buffer between Turkish troops and the mostly Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces that the United States trained and armed (but now seems poised to abandon).

This is all part of the plan to attack Iran and be in a war during election, thus ensuring a second term for Trump.

End nuclear agreement, blame them for further enrichment.
End Syria presence, blame them for destabilizing region.
Provide nuclear tech to regional powers to balance a now stronger Iran.
Enter war.
 

LegendofJoe

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Oct 28, 2017
12,086
Arkansas, USA
This is all part of the plan to attack Iran and be in a war during election, thus ensuring a second term for Trump.

End nuclear agreement, blame them for further enrichment.
End Syria presence, blame them for destabilizing region.
Provide nuclear tech to regional powers to balance a now stronger Iran.
Enter war.

I'd normally roll my eyes after reading a post like this, but the latest news of the Trump administration sharing nuclear technology with Saudi Arabia gives me pause.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's blatantly obvious at this point that trump is a Russian stooge. Listening on NPR this morning about abandoning the mid-range ballistic missile treaty. Putin talked about it in his national address. Super obvious that it was just to let Putin work on his missile tech and scare the shit out of everyone in Europe.
 

Binabik15

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Oct 28, 2017
4,621
One would hope, but the root problem still remains.

Americans are fucking stupid and lack critical thinking skills and basic fact checking abilities and/or are too lazy to do so.


All countries are full of idiots. Many above a certain economic treshhold have laws forbidding downright lies and propaganda in the news and working mechanisms to censure politicians for the same, though, instead of sucking Murdoch's cock or letting Fox News get close to the propaganda arm of one party.
 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
23,823

Henry Rome @hrome2

Israeli Military Intelligence released its top-line intelligence assessments for 2019 to Israeli press. Despite political rhetoric, intel pros say:
Iran has complied with JCPOA
If Iran broke out to a bomb, it would take 2 yrs: 1 yr for fissile material and 1 yr to weaponize

3:53 PM - Feb 19, 2019

In sync with 2016 and 2018 DNI assessments:

Joe Cirincione @Cirincione

"Iran's implementation of the JCPOA, however, has extended the amount of time Iran would need to produce fissile material for a nuclear weapon from a few months to about a year." — 2016 US Worldwide Threat Assessment https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/SASC_Unclassified_2016_ATA_SFR_FINAL.pdf …

"Iran's implementation of the JCPOA has extended the amount of time Iran would need to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon from a few months to about one year." — 2018 US Worldwide Threat Assessment https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Testimonies/2018-ATA---Unclassified-SSCI.pdf …

10:40 AM - Feb 20, 2019
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
18,507

Henry Rome @hrome2

Israeli Military Intelligence released its top-line intelligence assessments for 2019 to Israeli press. Despite political rhetoric, intel pros say:
Iran has complied with JCPOA
If Iran broke out to a bomb, it would take 2 yrs: 1 yr for fissile material and 1 yr to weaponize

3:53 PM - Feb 19, 2019

In sync with 2016 and 2018 DNI assessments:

Joe Cirincione @Cirincione

"Iran's implementation of the JCPOA, however, has extended the amount of time Iran would need to produce fissile material for a nuclear weapon from a few months to about a year." — 2016 US Worldwide Threat Assessment https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/SASC_Unclassified_2016_ATA_SFR_FINAL.pdf …

"Iran's implementation of the JCPOA has extended the amount of time Iran would need to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon from a few months to about one year." — 2018 US Worldwide Threat Assessment https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Testimonies/2018-ATA---Unclassified-SSCI.pdf …

10:40 AM - Feb 20, 2019


But that's not what Trump believes. The DNI is lying, obviously.

Iran is coming to blow us all up.
 

Aaron

I’m seeing double here!
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Oct 25, 2017
18,077
Minneapolis

Somehow when this all started I didn't expect the black guy to be the only one facing serious ramifications.

In any case, they'll probably all finish their terms but Democrats will need to seriously clear the deck in 2021. We certainly don't need Fairfax moving up and probably not Herring either (I think his apology was more sincere but maybe this is just a sign we need new blood).
 
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studyguy

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Oct 26, 2017
11,282
I mean Fairfax is the only one facing actual legal problems if an investigation corroborates more details, VA a fucking mess though.
 

Suiko

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Oct 25, 2017
2,931
You would think that if the Democrats were infested with 'neoliberals' it would be easy to find examples showing a push for Privatization and Austerity...
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
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Kamala Harris:
Paper ballots are the smartest, safest way to conduct secure elections and protect from voter manipulation. Russia can't hack a piece of paper. Our nation needs to be ready to protect our election systems against attacks by foreign powers. Now is the time to prepare.
I am 100% in on this. More, please.
 

Kyra

The Eggplant Queen
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Oct 25, 2017
12,254
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Kamala Harris:
Paper ballots are the smartest, safest way to conduct secure elections and protect from voter manipulation. Russia can't hack a piece of paper. Our nation needs to be ready to protect our election systems against attacks by foreign powers. Now is the time to prepare.
I am 100% in on this. More, please.

Get a load of this cop eh!? COOOOOOP!!!
 

AnotherNils

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Oct 27, 2017
11,936
"Russia can't hack a piece of paper."

No, but they might be able to futz with out voter rolls, which would be more subtle and harder to catch.

Honestly, we need paper ballots because I don't trust Americans.
 

PantherLotus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Kamala Harris:
Paper ballots are the smartest, safest way to conduct secure elections and protect from voter manipulation. Russia can't hack a piece of paper. Our nation needs to be ready to protect our election systems against attacks by foreign powers. Now is the time to prepare.
I am 100% in on this. More, please.

Guys, this is a warning.
 

shadow_shogun

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Oct 25, 2017
17,740

@BernieSanders
What's crazy is that we have a president who is a racist, a sexist, a xenophobe and a fraud. We are going to bring people together and not only defeat Trump but transform the economic and political life of this country. Say you're in: https://act.berniesanders.com/signup/social-launch?source=tw190220-trump
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Crazy Bernie has just entered the race. I wish him well!

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09:39 - 20 Feb 2019
 

AnotherNils

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Oct 27, 2017
11,936
There's nothing better than filling out a paper ballot.
I think that heavily depends on the ballot. Here I had those dumb ones with the arrow you had to fill in with marker.

Does the hanging chad special count as a paper ballot?


Aaaaaaand my eyes just rolled out my head. What a pathetic woman.




"What do you think of reports Trump will replace him?"

"I find it troubling."



"Hey, the President has fired DNU Coats."

"Well, it is his right."
 
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