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Iolo

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I don't agree with this opinion, but I respect you as a valuable poster. If you're willing to unpack your assessment, please, I would be happy to remove it.

You don't have to remove it, it's not really more than a vague feeling of unease, like it is both trivializing #metoo and making a weird sexuality joke. But I can't really know the author's true intention.
 

Kusagari

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Oct 25, 2017
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A dem congress even if we get the numbers aren't going to just pass Medicare for all if Biden isn't on board

Whoever wins is going to need to pull Lyndon Johnson levels of fuckery in the senate to get red state democrats to get on bird. It's not going to just happen without Biden and Schumer making a Herculean effort to get it done

I consider Warren by far the most likely to succeed in doing this, which is why she is my #1. Bernard would try, but I don't see him getting the caucus to go along with him at all.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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You don't have to remove it, it's not really more than a vague feeling of unease, like it is both trivializing #metoo and making a weird sexuality joke. But I can't really know the author's true intention.

I can see where you're coming from. I liked the cartoon because I thought it did a good job of having many layers to dissect, but I do realize how flippant it may look at first glance. Maybe second and third glance too.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Put me in the, 'kids are alright' column.

Heavy Metal Confronts Its Nazi Problem
"The world is on fire," Ben Hutcherson told an audience in Brooklyn, last month, before a set by his band, Glacial Tomb. He added, "At least we can all burn together." Over the next thirty minutes, the band, which Hutcherson describes as playing "blackened, sludgy death metal," roared through a half-dozen songs, replete with thundering drums and growled vocals. The set ended with a broadside of defiance, in the form of a cover of the punk band Aus-Rotten's "Fuck Nazi Sympathy." As Glacial Tomb sped through the song—which includes the lines "Don't respect something that has no respect" and "Don't give them their freedom, because they're not going to give you yours"—audience members shouted the lyrics, churned in a mosh pit, and dove from the stage.
The beginning of black metal—self-consciously bleak and featuring howled lyrics, crashing chords, and an often apocalyptic, misanthropic aesthetic—is usually traced to the English band Venom, which used the term as the title of its second album, in 1982. National Socialist black metal emerged from a darker environment, in the nineteen-nineties, that featured figures like Varg Vikernes, of the one-man band Burzum. Vikernes, who was part of a Norwegian black-metal scene whose practitioners often wore ghoulish black-and-white "corpse paint" and upside-down crucifixes, was known for burning churches. In 1993, while playing bass in the band Mayhem, he murdered the guitarist, a man known as Euronymous. That same year, Hendrik Möbus, of the German band Absurd—whose album "Asgardsrei," from 1999, is seen as influential in the world of National Socialist black metal—took part, with two accomplices, in the murder of a high-school classmate. After violating the terms of his release from juvenile detention, Möbus fled to the United States. Before being arrested and returned to Germany to face charges, he lived for a time in a West Virginia compound belonging to the neo-Nazi leader William Pierce.
Kelly said that, because metal fans are part of a close-knit community, some may see criticism as an effort by outside forces to sanitize or change what they hold dear. One reason to organize the festival, she said, was to give metal fans and anti-Fascists a chance to see that there were areas where they could overlap. "I just wanted to show people that you can have militant politics and you can be a metalhead, and those things don't have to be mutually exclusive at all," she said. "I don't understand how you can love something deeply, the way I love heavy metal, and not want it to be the best it can be, and how you would not want to share it with as many people as possible."

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/heavy-metal-confronts-its-nazi-problem
 

Pooh

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maddow: "Heads up:

TRMS Special Report tonight at 9pm ET, MSNBC.

(And no, this isn't a weird cable news euphemism for me not actually doing the show or running a re-run, this is a true-blue live special report based on documents we're making public for the first time). See you then! "
 

FreezePeach

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maddow got another year of tax returns YEAH BOIIIIIIIIII


Also seems like some family separation rulings might come soon

 

Allard

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Do we know what this is?


maddow: "Heads up:

TRMS Special Report tonight at 9pm ET, MSNBC.

(And no, this isn't a weird cable news euphemism for me not actually doing the show or running a re-run, this is a true-blue live special report based on documents we're making public for the first time). See you then! "


She mentioned something about a report they were working on tuesdays show I believe, can't remember what the subject was about when she mentioned it but they wanted to finalize some more things before they released it.
 

Linkura

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Do we know what this is?


maddow: "Heads up:

TRMS Special Report tonight at 9pm ET, MSNBC.

(And no, this isn't a weird cable news euphemism for me not actually doing the show or running a re-run, this is a true-blue live special report based on documents we're making public for the first time). See you then! "

BERNARD'S OLD TAX RETURN
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Bevin in KY has 27% approval... and seems to have lower approval in the rural areas than in the urban ones.

I think Andy Beshear has a good shot.

Kaitos You posted something the other night about the GOP ruthlessly cracking blue urban areas in red states (e.g., Indianapolis, Louisville) after the next census, and I'm worried about it, too. But I saw a claim that the KY constitution requires the "preserv[ation of] whole counties where possible," so I imagine if they tried to crack Jefferson too badly, it could be found unconstitutional at the state level like in PA last year. The caveat is I don't know the makeup of the court.

But anyway, if Beshear wins, he can veto the maps, rendering the issue moot.


Odd. But hell, govenors of the opposite party than the state's safe status is a thing in this country now, and Bevin seems like a man with no allies now, only R-only voters.

In case y'all are feeling saucy, here's the donation page for Dan McCready NC-09: https://secure.actblue.com/donate/dmc-new-race

I was saucy enough for $10. 19-seat lead going into the PA-10 elections, lets do this.

I almost wonder, and this may be mega stupid, if the whole native American thing would almost act as a honey pot for Trump in a general. Like he would only be able to focus on making fun of that and it'd be really childishly stupid. Unlike Hillary's email thing though I feel it would get old fast and just feels like a dumb scandal. The emails felt real, like people could legit think there's an issue after hearing it so much but hearing decades ago Warren said she was Native American because of her family story just won't change votes in the same way. So Trump keeps attacking that and misses good opportunities on other things.

That's been steadily more and more the right of this country for 20 years. I've mentioned this before but that manufactured scandal (with nebulous yet plausible "make them deny" goals) is what they know now, and natural scandals are just not noticed. They want an investigation to go on and on and on for political reasons, whereas scandals that act as windfalls for them just...get ignored. And when the shoe is on the other foot, there's these long, low screams from people that ain't even going to get caught up in it as they think every one is an op now, or that they can smear it as an op (hence the Mueller attacks once they realized it goes way beyond Russia's culpability and the POTUS' team's doings).

There's also the networking and fall-in-line mentality going behind the curtains as well; lots of former electeds now lobbyists and former PR flaks now aides getting stories straight and feeding the boiler thru the rough patches to frame the narrative for the low-infos.

Individual-1 has his own goals, such as keeping the base hopped up on hate 'n fear, his own malignant narcissism, and his complete lack of pokerface when he catches wind of another bombshell hurtling earthward.
 

Crocodile

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Oct 25, 2017
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I gotta say, Sander's answers to Chris Hayes question about political and legislative priorities is really disappointing. Basically that it doesn't matter and he'll find a new way to get everything done. A weird answer for someone who has been a Senator for so long.
 

Kaitos

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@Kaitos You posted something the other night about the GOP ruthlessly cracking blue urban areas in red states (e.g., Indianapolis, Louisville) after the next census, and I'm worried about it, too. But I saw a claim that the KY constitution requires the "preserv[ation of] whole counties where possible," so I imagine if they tried to crack Jefferson too badly, it could be found unconstitutional at the state level like in PA last year. The caveat is I don't know the makeup of the court.
Nah, you have to crack Jefferson in half anyways because it's too big for one CD, so they can just get creative with it.
 

devSin

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Staples receipts showing that Klobuchar doesn't even purchase office supplies (can't throw it if you don't own it).
 

Grexeno

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I gotta say, Sander's answers to Chris Hayes question about political and legislative priorities is really disappointing. Basically that it doesn't matter and he'll find a new way to get everything done. A weird answer for someone who has been a Senator for so long.
something something they'll have no choice but to bend to the will of my grassroots revolution
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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I gotta say, Sander's answers to Chris Hayes question about political and legislative priorities is really disappointing. Basically that it doesn't matter and he'll find a new way to get everything done. A weird answer for someone who has been a Senator for so long.
But a pretty predictable answer from someone who's never really gotten anything done!
 

ValiantChaos

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Oct 25, 2017
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I gotta say, Sander's answers to Chris Hayes question about political and legislative priorities is really disappointing. Basically that it doesn't matter and he'll find a new way to get everything done. A weird answer for someone who has been a Senator for so long.

So millions of college kids are going to run up to McConnell's office and demand single payer. Sounds like a plan to me.

SIGH
 

DanGo

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I gotta say, Sander's answers to Chris Hayes question about political and legislative priorities is really disappointing. Basically that it doesn't matter and he'll find a new way to get everything done. A weird answer for someone who has been a Senator for so long.
Remember when he said he'd get a million young people to stand around in Washington DC shaming Republicans into voting for good legislation?
 

Kaitos

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something something they'll have no choice but to bend to the will of my grassroots revolution
it's because he's been in the senate for over a decade and is sort of an institutionalist about it, like they all are.

how many senators are there who are saying, blow it up?
 

Crocodile

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Chris Hayes: So what are you going to do about the fillibuster?

Sen. Sanders: Well Trump wants to get rid of it so we should NOT do that. Also even if we had 51 Dem Senators not all of the would be progressive (the last point is true TBF to Sanders.)

Chris Hayes: Ok but if you're not sure you can get 51 Dem Senators on board how do you expect to get 60 total Senators on board?

Sen. Sanders: If millions RISE UP we can get the Congress to do what we want (I'm paraphrasing)

UGH. Most of the interview was fine but this and the previous point I posted about stuck out like sore and terrible thumbs >_<
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I gotta say, Sander's answers to Chris Hayes question about political and legislative priorities is really disappointing. Basically that it doesn't matter and he'll find a new way to get everything done. A weird answer for someone who has been a Senator for so long.

He's never been a "getting things done" type, he's more of an idea guy.

"Bernie alienates his natural allies," then-Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told the Los Angeles Times just months after Sanders first took federal office. "His holier-than-thou attitude — saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else — really undercuts his effectiveness."

"Substantively, he has consistently, forcefully and cogently made the case for a larger federal government role in improving both the fairness and the quality of life in our country, refusing to soft-pedal in the face of declining support for this view in public opinion," Frank wrote for Politico last July.

But it is that identity that precludes him from being a viable presidential candidate, Frank then argued.

"His very unwillingness to be confined by existing voter attitudes, as part of a long-term strategy to change them, is both a very valuable contribution to the democratic dialogue and an obvious bar to winning support from the majority of these very voters in the near term," he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rding-to-barney-frank/?utm_term=.365d1f100cef


Counterpoint from same article:
To the contrary, Sanders has defended his record, arguing that he played an especially active role in legislating through amendment. Indeed, fact-checking service Politifact found that he passed 17 amendments by recorded roll call votes from 1995 to 2007 — more than any other House member during that time. (He graduated to the Senate in 2007.)
 

Kaitos

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Chris Hayes: So what are you going to do about the fillibuster?

Sen. Sanders: Well Trump wants to get rid of it so we should do that. Also even if we had 51 Dem Senators not all of the would be progressive (the last point is true TBF to Sanders.)

Chris Hayes: Ok but if you're not sure you can get 51 Dem Senators on board how do you expect to get 60 total Senators on board?

Sen. Sanders: If millions RISE UP we can get the Congress to do what we want (I'm paraphrasing)

UGH. Most of the interview was fine but this and the previous point I posted about stuck out like sore and terrible thumb >_<
the annoying thing is I think most of them them think they can get to 60 votes!

only Mayor Pete and Warren are going, hm, maybe not.
 

Sandstar

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I gotta say, Sander's answers to Chris Hayes question about political and legislative priorities is really disappointing. Basically that it doesn't matter and he'll find a new way to get everything done. A weird answer for someone who has been a Senator for so long.

Saint Bernard is special, and can get anything done, so long as anything is manipulating political primaries in vermont to prevent having to run against a democrat, and naming post offices.
 
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