Fewer dank memes when discussing issues relating racial minorities or international conflicts would probably be a good start.
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US PoliERA 2019 |OT2| #PresidentPelosi
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The dank memes are the only things sustaining me in this hellscape I've found myself in.
It's reading the room culturally and politically about Jewish people, AIPAC and their relationship with America which is complicated AF. You can't juts say whatever shit you want about Jewish people or Israel and not expect controversy. Tact needs to be adhered to to avoid antisemitism or the appearance thereof.
Hey not really related to ongoing politics, but this is something that I wonder about sometimes. Was Michael J. Fox's character in Family Ties being a staunch Republican supposed to be considered a character flaw or an endearing quality? Was it played for laughs or was it trying to tap into some "Woo! Go Reagan!" thing? I can't imagine any TV show now trying to get away with a MAGA hat wearing character as its main star.
Like Archie Bunker was supposed to be considered a terrible guy right? But some knuckleheads use clips from his show in those annoying "Archie Bunker OBLITERATES Obamacare and VAPORIZES Jimmy Carter" type videos.
Like Archie Bunker was supposed to be considered a terrible guy right? But some knuckleheads use clips from his show in those annoying "Archie Bunker OBLITERATES Obamacare and VAPORIZES Jimmy Carter" type videos.
Yep. Archie was a backward bigot and an object of ridicule, but right-wingers purposely divorce those clips from context.
I wrote it emotionally and too quickly. What I do believe is that such an argument shouldn't be tweeted or phrased in a joking matter like "All About the Benjamins baby" was used. I agree with her argument, but I think her phrasing was not helpful. Whether intended to be a dog whistle or not is irrelevant because I know for a fact some people online will interpret it in a hateful way.
Found out you work at Mercury huh?
You coulda been somebody, Steve. But no.
Huh. And it wasn't sudden either. Well, RIP.
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Oh. This isn't going to end well. I'll return after the crater of PoliERA is no longer smoking.
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Oh. This isn't going to end well. I'll return after the crater of PoliERA is no longer smoking.
Why are you digging up her old tweets? She apologized for that.
Alex P Keaton lived off his "hippie"-background parents in their house while he spent time in high school and college being wistful of Nixon and "four more years" sentimentality. He also thought he could get away with having two dates to the prom, so, you know.
I seem to recall they played him being a Young Republican as sort of lame, like a bit of a joke.
It's been a looooooong time though, so I might be remembering that wrong.
My mistake, didn't look at the time stamp. It's disappointing she didn't learn from tweets like this.
If I'm not mistaken, Last Man Standing is exactly that, and also gets consistently high ratings.
Michael J. Fox being a young Republican was presented as something of a generational shift where your parents and old fogeys supported Democrats but the new generation and the future supported Reagan/GOP.
Wow, what a GOP icon!
Oh yeah, I guess that's true isn't it? I guess I was thinking in terms of "we're doing this as a joke, you're not supposed to agree with them" thing and not Tim Allen being a scummy person playing a scummy character. But like Auto said above, even if they did do it as a joke, it'd likely get taken out of context by bozos who would think its legitimizing them.
Fuck this. Everyone with two brain cells knows this isn't antisemitism and I'm not going to run around like a scared coward at the chance of offending Israel or conservatives. This is so stupid.
Because we have some Howard Schultz tier bad faith actors in this thread who spend all day thinking of ways to cannabalize the Democratic party.
This thread has become a fucking disgrace.
Politicians like Omar don't have the privilege to ignore the political consequences. It's going to be much harder to get elected when the reputation you've earned is being an antisemite. Politics is not in a vacuum, there are customs that apply for voters and Washington, not being viewed as an antisemite is one of them. Helpful advice for non-politicians, too!
edit: This about offending everyone, including on the left. How can you not know this?
Really? You're going to call it bait when I say it's bad to look like an antisemite?
I'm not good at arguing or coming up with arguements, thus why I quit my law internship lmao. I'll just end my ramble on this issue by saying I'm against AIPAC and Israeli policies and let this random tweeter sum up my feelings:
Omar probably can't actually afford any kind of perceived anti- Israel or especially anti-Semitism given SLP is in her district. At the same time it's probably a very small part of her voting block. I don't necessarily think israel should just be immune to criticism. This is all interesting at least I guess.
I'm completely exhausted by this useless hand wringing over the way liberals say things. Good on her for not being worried about the "political consequences" of making a statement anyone with intelligence knows isn't antisemitic. White conservatives assholes are going to find a reason to hate her no matter what, I don't understand why we have to do their bidding for them.
It's a little weird to somehow find a tweet from over 6 years ago and not be aware of the timestamp. Like did you scroll a little too far in her timeline or
Also the Michael P. Keaton stuff was played for irony. His parents were old hippies who had protested Nixon and now their kid had Nixon memorabilia and supported Reagan. It's the age old kid rebels against parents but in the opposite direction.
I'm not doing the bidding for them, it's about political and social survival. She can't do much of anything for her cause if she can't get elected. The revolution to ignore these customs has not arrived so I'm working with the current system - which makes her framing inherently dangerous for a career in politics, the she's already facing numerous forces against her for being a woman, socialist and a Muslim and you want to add looking like an antisemite on top of that?
It's not useless to prioritise political survival, not to do is so politically suicide. How do that help her causes or the Justice Democrats?
I did a quick Google search for her twitter account to see what else she's said on this issue and that was the first thing that showed up. Not everyone automatically checks date stamps on tweets.
Don't bother posting tweets if you can't be bothered to check the time stamp. I say this to everyone as I see it happened from time to time but its like the bare minimum of what you have to do when using twitter as source material for debate since when someone says something matters A LOT.
Because the belief that Jewish money is the reason for Israel support in the world is a big part of anti-semitism. Omar can make her point more tactfully if she wants to, just saying that everybody supports Israel because of AIPAC money will be true in some cases and false in some cases.
Most of these freshmen reps would be better off ignoring Greenwald. He is nothing but bad faith actor anyway.
I'm.sorry but this is unequivocally false. AIPAC is one of the strongest lobbying arms in the country and right wing propaganda takes care of the rest of it. There's a reason both sides agree on wanking off to Israel, it's because of aggressive lobbying efforts.
If you support Israel for any other reason other than to save your political hide than I have even less respect because you are on the side of genocide
What does have to do with the insinuation that the support for Israel is due to Jewish money which is really at the core of anti semitism.
Where does political survival come into this? You acknowledge how powerful the lobbying is but are ignoring the political implications are for doing that. You ok with making the Dems even weaker than they are in the US as a party if they speak out against it? I don't know about you, but America as a country is broken and its needs the Dems more than ever to remain strong against the GOP. This is not solely about speaking, this is about how to break their hold and to date nobody on the Dems side has been in position to do this.
...you're going in circles. "AIPAC itself does not make political contributions and is in fact legally prohibited from doing so. Instead it uses its considerable resources ($3 million annual lobbying budget) to link current and aspiring members of Congress with pro-Israel donors." There's nothing anti-Semitic about facts.
You state support for Israel. You get lots of money. You don't they give that money to someone else who will take you down.
This is like..lobbying 101.
Saw this in the Brexit thread, figured people here would be as interested in it as anyone there
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Good to know the pro-apartheid movement in America is alive and well and now claims to support the Democrats.
it's cool how all of the "liberals" and "progressives" in this thread who want to primary or force out Ilhan Omar are basically just underaged boomers who want to "speak with her manager" and get her fired
you know, the inspiring, brave muslim woman from somalia who beat back incredible odds to get elected to congress and bring a much needed perspective to american government
it's actually not cool it's disgusting
this post from the dedicated thread for her "controversy" says it better than i could
you know, the inspiring, brave muslim woman from somalia who beat back incredible odds to get elected to congress and bring a much needed perspective to american government
it's actually not cool it's disgusting
this post from the dedicated thread for her "controversy" says it better than i could
Isn't.... the entire point of AIPAC to lobby on behalf of Israel's interests? Isn't that the whole point of lobbying? I think it's a fairly limited understanding of lobbying that it just comes from money (progressives often say the same thing, incorrectly, about the NRA when it's less about spending on campaigns) but like... what do people think lobbyists do?
*sigh* Listen, pigeon, I know we disagree on many things but this is a matter of how to solve a problem we both want to fix, not that I'm pro-Israel. I'm a supporter of the Two State solution, for God's sake. I'm sure many, many posters here agree with me on this. I want to help save the Palestinian people as much as you do, and for Israel's government to pay for their crimes against humanity. I didn't say this before because I thought that was obvious, but apparently it's not because you still are seeing things in pure black and white. Disagreeing with you on how to solve Palestine's genocide is not supporting Palestine's genocide. You're confusing protest with action on actually fixing that and this requires strategies to weaken AIPAC's hold on the US with both parties but all you have is protesting and we'd had that for how many years and it hasn't done squat to help Palestine. I want the Dems to do as much as they can for this issue but for this to occur it requires having an actual Democratic party to fight with. What good do you think is going to help Palestine if the Dems are a shell of what they are now? It's hard enough now, now you want to make them weaker? What's the end game here? What's the plan? How do you intend on acting on it and making it succeed? Because for now I see zilch backing your argument, just straw man hot takes because I'm not a leftist.
edit: Tone it down a notch, not everyone is who not a leftist is a Republican. If you can't tell what separates a liberal from a neoconservative this is a big problem.
Huh...Omar is saying the only reason people support Israel is the "benjamins baby". Lobbying is what lobbyists do.
The Teachers Union lobbying budget is like 5 million dollars - is that bad? Are Dems only supporting teachers because of money?
But the bad part about Omar's insinuation is that that Jewish Money ruling the world is a very very core anti-semitic belief. She can easily make the same point in a better way.
Yes you're totally not exaggerating in the way Internet socialists do, and it's not like a good number of people just hope for her to be a tad more careful in the future. Per your icon, when is Copmala throwing you in jail again? Should I have an icon of Tootsie Garbage photoshopped over Gaddafi or Assad?
She was a favourite to win the primary in a safe seat lmao. Let's not get it twisted.
It's not a fucking genocide. For Christ's sake it is possible to talk about Israel and criticise Israel without referring to genocide. By literally no definition are their actions genocide, and it's unbelievable insulting to say so.
Hell, one of the issues at the heart of the conflict is the fact that the Palestinian population is growing so much faster than the Israeli population. Worse genocide ever!
Hell, one of the issues at the heart of the conflict is the fact that the Palestinian population is growing so much faster than the Israeli population. Worse genocide ever!
Stop
I cannot fucking believe this thread is hand wringing over Israel
It's more accurately ethnic cleansing.
Anyway, she made a dumb tweet because twitter is a terrible platform.
People calling her dumb tweet dumb, aren't engaging in anything more than that.
There's attention on these freshmen because they're the new shiny thing, and not all of them can be as savvy as AOC.
Anyway, she made a dumb tweet because twitter is a terrible platform.
People calling her dumb tweet dumb, aren't engaging in anything more than that.
There's attention on these freshmen because they're the new shiny thing, and not all of them can be as savvy as AOC.
Were there posts that went overboard and ascribed ill intent where it doesn't exist? Yes. Were these the entirety of posts here? No. But I guess we're all really Zionist shills going 'yaaas Netanyahu! Pillage the Palestine! Loving that apartheid!' or whatever.
I mean she can go tweet whatever she wants lol. People will go round and round in the same circles, justified or not. shrug
In lighter news here's AOC's interview with Chuck Todd.
Her political instincts and training are coming across swimmingly here. Chuck tries to trip her up but she's able to dodge his attacks perfectly. I'm overjoyed that they're figuring out plans to get majorities and that compromises, within reason, are being applied to get the Green New Bill passed. That's what I wanted to hear. Fantastic!
Her political instincts and training are coming across swimmingly here. Chuck tries to trip her up but she's able to dodge his attacks perfectly. I'm overjoyed that they're figuring out plans to get majorities and that compromises, within reason, are being applied to get the Green New Bill passed. That's what I wanted to hear. Fantastic!
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