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tuxfool

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Not to hone in on this because this really sucks (and is probably not even the worst that's happened to anyone, which is doubly depressing), but:


Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Apathy/ignorance towards politics combined with the "Trump is a genius businessman" myth are alone responsible for so much bullshit in today's political landscape (but of course, not all of it).
Honestly, even more surprising is that nearly all evidence points to the opposite, there is a lot of it. All the mythology supporting it is mostly a "Hollywood" manufactured story, something that these people tend to decry as elitism if used for anybody else.
 

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https://twitter.com/alexis_levinson/status/1094957723282755585
lol

Anyway, the Omar stuff is disappointing. Word choice when dealing with this kind of thing is always ultra important, and she picked the wrong words.
 

No Depth

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Not to hone in on this because this really sucks (and is probably not even the worst that's happened to anyone, which is doubly depressing), but:


Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Apathy/ignorance towards politics combined with the "Trump is a genius businessman" myth are alone responsible for so much bullshit in today's political landscape (but of course, not all of it).

Yea, if Trump accomplishes anything, it should hopefully be to get people to wake up and take politics more seriously.

It was so easy to assume elections are all a big game when things aren't being mismanaged and lives aren't impacted. What could ever go wrong??
 

Aaron

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She's Latina too.

I read the whole thing. Felt bad for her but it was limited once I read that part.
I mean, I think there are people who genuinely don't care and go out of their way not to care. And that's its own problem.

But I think when you look at the wide population of people who just never vote, that's not an accident. It's been carefully cultivated for years. There are still people who won't vote because they think it means they'd have to do jury duty (which as we all know is the worst thing in the world, and certainly there's no other way you'd be in the pool of potential jurors).

Along the same line, I worked at a call center for disability applicants and had a woman call in once saying she heard if you applied for disability while working, you'd go to jail. Like what the fuck, who told you that? And then who told them that? Trace it far back enough and I'm sure you find someone who benefits in some way from the lower class being too stupid or ignorant to take advantage of what limited resources they can to pull themselves out of poverty.

Yea, if Trump accomplishes anything, it should hopefully be to get people to wake up and take politics more seriously.

It was so easy to assume elections are all a big game when things aren't being mismanaged and lives aren't impacted. What could ever go wrong??
Yeah and like, I get it. I'm really early in my career so my tax refund was actually bigger than it was last year (unlike apparently everyone else). I also work for a private company so the government shutdown didn't affect me that much. The Minnesota state government is pretty liberal, which helps insulate us from the worst of the GOP's bullshit nationally.

And of course, the helpful fact that I'm a cis, straight white male.

There are times when I wish I wasn't that invested in politics, but it's literally never been more important than it is now. But I've been stressing to my less politically inclined friends - Trump is not the problem, Trump is the symptom. If y'all motherfuckers voted in 2014, just enough to get three more Senate seats, we would have had the Senate majority and Trump wouldn't have gotten shit. And if we do manage to boot him out in 2020, for the love of Christ do not sit out 2022 and let this happen all over again.
 
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No she didn't? Israel and AIPAC shell out millions to keep congress in line on Israel. To not point that out would be illogical.

Good summation of that point:

https://twitter.com/YousefMunayyer/status/1094942473556762625

I don't think most people realize that AIPAC literally has thousands of volunteers descend on DC every year to hit up every single member of Congress. The money isn't really the reason for their influence, it's absolutely their organization.
 
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It's so refreshing hearing dems just outright say they want to legalize weed. A lot of us predicted it would happen but it was tiring hearing Hillary continually say that she wanted to just reschedule it. Weed legalization is popular across the country! Just say you want to legalize it!
 

Power Shot

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In other news, 50% of Republicans will happily admit to being sometimes racist.
Hell, so will 20% of Democrats. They must have really enjoyed Robert Downey Jr.'s character in Tropic Thunder.
I'd argue Downey Jr.'s portrayal is a little more complicated than that. I always read the character as something to be mocked, especially since the movie makes the point to call out his character's behavior, as well as a lot of other problems with how Hollywood handles stuff like this.
 

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It's so refreshing hearing dems just outright say they want to legalize weed. A lot of us predicted it would happen but it was tiring hearing Hillary continually say that she wanted to just reschedule it. Weed legalization is popular across the country! Just say you want to legalize it!
The problem is it's a generational thing. A lot of the legal weed support is coming from younger voters, while the politicians making these decisions are considerably older.

Reminds me of John Mulaney's bit about weed being the first thing to be legalized not necessarily because of some social injustice needing to be righted, but because a bunch of people just really wanted it. Of course, that glosses over the injustice in how the legal system deals with black people toking up (which seems more systemic than "just legalize it," they'll find something else to put them in for), but from a white perspective it's absolutely true.

I'd argue Downey Jr.'s portrayal is a little more complicated than that. I always read the character as something to be mocked, especially since the movie makes the point to call out his character's behavior, as well as a lot of other problems with how Hollywood handles stuff like this.
See Lindsay Ellis' recent thread on Blazing Saddles:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1093688825434361857.html

There were no doubt a ton of white people who just took it as "hur hur, Robert Downey Jr. in blackface is funny" and didn't think of the implications past that. Just like how "the joke" of Blazing Saddles to them is that the n-word is funny.
 
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The problem is it's a generational thing. A lot of the legal weed support is coming from younger voters, while the politicians making these decisions are considerably older.

Reminds me of John Mulaney's bit about weed being the first thing to be legalized not necessarily because of some social injustice needing to be righted, but because a bunch of people just really wanted it. Of course, that glosses over the injustice in how the legal system deals with black people toking up (which seems more systemic than "just legalize it," they'll find something else to put them in for), but from a white perspective it's absolutely true.
Yeah. That's why Hillary's message on the topic sounded completely boring to anyone not over the age of 50. Getting into the details and debating on a topic like weed really isn't what any millennials want to hear.
 

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See Lindsay Ellis' recent thread on Blazing Saddles:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1093688825434361857.html

There were no doubt a ton of white people who just took it as "hur hur, Robert Downey Jr. in blackface is funny" and didn't think of the implications past that. Just like how "the joke" of Blazing Saddles to them is that the n-word is funny.
I actually meant to make that connection and completely spaced on it.

Downey Jr.'s portrayal reminds me, in a lot of ways, of how they handled David Duke in BlacKkKlansman. They wanted to show a negative thing in a non-positive way (because Downey Jr. doesn't get the Oscar for his performance and realizes how stupid he's being). But, admittedly, the Blazing Saddles comparison is pretty fair.
 

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I actually meant to make that connection and completely spaced on it.

Downey Jr.'s portrayal reminds me, in a lot of ways, of how they handled David Duke in BlacKkKlansman. They wanted to show a negative thing in a non-positive way (because Downey Jr. doesn't get the Oscar for his performance and realizes how stupid he's being). But, admittedly, the Blazing Saddles comparison is pretty fair.
It's not directly tied to race but there's a YT channel called YourMovieSucks that made this observation w/r/t Borat and Bruno. He loved Borat for the social commentary and satire, and thought Bruno was even more effective in this regard - but noted that it was far less popular, and came to the realization that Borat only took off because his stupid character and mannerisms became more of a meme than the message of the film.
 

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I actually did not read Omar's initial comment as being anti-Semitic, and thought it was a pretty clear reference to AIPAC's lobbying power in Congress (though I also agree with that one tweet, by whomever it was, that it's not like people in Congress need to be bought off in the first place, they're already staunch supporters of Israel). But her 'clean-up', if you can even call it that, has been disastrous insofar as it doesn't seem like she's even acknowledged needing to clean it up at all!
 

Royalan

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I don't want to believe that Ilhan Omar is anti-semetic, but she really needs to clean up her language because this keeps happening. People are waiting for her to quack at this point, because she's already looked and walked like a duck.
 

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You never realize how many bots follow Trump until you see how fast he gets likes and comments on all of his posts.
 

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Yes you're totally not exaggerating in the way Internet socialists do,
i'm not exaggerating, people here literally do want her to lose her job over comments like this, not just "be a tad more cautious"

but also, if the same people truly supported the diversity she represents, in my opinion theyd be working to amplify and clarify her voice, not tone police it out existence

She was a favourite to win the primary in a safe seat lmao. Let's not get it twisted.

i mean that she came from a refugee camp... i find that to be an incredibly inspiring journey, but go ahead and belittle it because it was a blue seat
 
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