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US PoliERA 2019 |OT2| #PresidentPelosi

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Cheebo said:
Thats the key here, Kamala can win a general. She doesn't have the baggage that is fatal in the general like Warren ("Copla" baggage only hurts in a primary). If we get someone like Kamala to adopt Warrens platform we are in a great situation.
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General election candidates still have an effect on downballot elections, though. Anyone working in the justice system during the past 25 years of the "tough on crime" era will need to address and account for the effects of their participation. Klobuchar, Harris, Booker and Buttigieg to some degree as mayors. Preferably before the DNC.
 
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AnotherNils said:


They had to be shamed into having Dr. Pill Popper give a press conference last year IIRC
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FYI, earlier in January, Trump had what was clearly a bandage for an IV

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/15/trump-health-bloody-hand-bandage-1102245
 
PantherLotus

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I love this:


I strongly believed:

3. Obama would strongly deviate from the Hillary FP doctrine;

5/6. That evangelicals were more than a front for white supremacy and would reject Romney and Trump and probably stay home because both were 'formerly' pro-choice.
 
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PantherLotus said:
This isn't personal, but I hate this framing so fuckin much. It says so much more about the people who say and think it than it does about her. Like, have the people who think this been to college or ever worked with any women in a setting that doesn't include name tags??
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I think she's great, in spite of a proclivity toward unforced errors, but I also think that people want to be excited by a candidate and that a policy wonk doesn't offer that - not to the audience that deified the guy saying meaningless shit about needing a "political revolution", and certainly not to the "only I can fix it" crowd.

The only thing that matters is beating Trump; whether or not the person who can do that would make the best President is irrelevant.
 
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PantherLotus said:
This is a long way of saying she is the only one we should vote for:
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We already knew but this just further confirms "socialist" means absolutely nothing. It's just used as "vaguely left wing" or something now. Warren isn't, and has never been a socialist, or remotely identified herself as one. They've long since forgotten that socialist is an actual thing you either are or are not. It's not a vague brush.
 
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I wonder if Wall Street's resistance to Warren is based on the idea of a transaction tax. It's aimed at high frequency traders, but could really mess up a lot of trading overall. I like Warren generally but don't like that idea.
 
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Y2Kev said:
The way people are sleeping on beto is bizarre to me. Can you let him announce and then see? Are his chances really different than they were on November 9?
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I think because politics are such a long and drawn out process, and we're all invested, we sort of live in the moment of it all and what holds our attention. Right now Beto isn't in the moment because all the other candidates are announcing. I think this thread is completely different about Beto even in a month, just like it was completely different a month ago.

Basically, I agree. People have been quick to move on from Beto, mostly because he doesn't have our attention right now. But if Beto announces, he'll be in the spotlight for the next 13 months plus and people won't even remember when they had basically already announced him dead.
 
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Ignatz Mouse said:
I wonder if Wall Street's resistance to Warren is based on the idea of a transaction tax. It's aimed at high frequency traders, but could really mess up a lot of trading overall. I like Warren generally but don't like that idea.
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No it's because she is the most effective person to communicate that Wall Street is the enemy, therefore the most effective at passing several forms of wealth redistribution, like 70% marginal tax rates on the top 1%, stronger estate taxes, and enforcing established guidelines of the consumer protection agency. They don't *resist* her, they *hate* her because she's an existential threat to their money orgy.
 
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Sobriquet said:
People are forgetting how awesome he is on the stump
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I'll be paying attention when/if he announces and proves that he won't be a white man running for president trying to straddle the middle and not bringing the rhetorical fire we're seeing already from the two most prominent women candidates. That crap won't fly nowadays. Obama-style Kumbaya is not what we'll vote for right now.
 
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Plinko said:
Beto's both-sidesy comments a couple weeks back really turned off a lot of people.



I am 100% for democrats turning this election cycle into a "Every average American vs. the rich GOP billionaires" scenario.



"Senate Intel Committee" aka "We were never going to look hard enough to find anything Committee"
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The series of contacts between Trump's associates, his campaign officials, his children and various Russians suggest a campaign willing to accept help from a foreign adversary, the Democrats say.

By many counts, Trump and his associates had more than 100 contactswith Russians before the January 2017 presidential inauguration.

"Donald Trump Jr. made clear in his messages that he was willing to accept help from the Russians," one Democratic Senate investigator said. "Trump publicly urged the Russians to find Clinton's missing emails."
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Not really the same thing as active collusion though. The report even says the Dems they interviewed don't dispute Burr's characterisation.

Still curious to see what Stone digs up.
 
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PantherLotus said:
This is the dumbest observation on my part but you can clearly see why people think he has teeny hands -- his palm-to-finger-length ratio is allll fucked up.

(also jesus christ look at his skin sagging on his hands. you gotta be old as fuck for that.)
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If he weren't morbidly obese, he'd look like Boris Karloff in The Mummy.
 
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Linkura said:
Fucking awesome

Says the guy who was convinced he'd beat Ted.
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I thought he had a good shot, but it came down to him being hurt by the top of the ticket. The candidate for governor was horrible and couldn't even hit her fundraising goals. He still came closer than any candidate in recent history and got wins for alot of candidates in TX that would have lost without him on the ticket. He won't face those same issues running for President.
 
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Anyone is going to have a hard time against Trump in 2020. There are a lot of solidly red states and far too many stupidly red swing-y states.
 
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Wilsongt said:
Anyone is going to have a hard time against Trump in 2020. There are a lot of solidly red states and far too many stupidly red swing-y states.
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We'll just have to wait and see but truth be told, Republicans voted for him anyway and there were a TON of people (Democrats and Independents) who voted Trump simply out of the fact that they hated Hillary that much.

We won't be running into that problem again and Trump BARELY won. We now have 4 years of his shitshow to dash a ton of his promises.

I'm not saying it will be an easy win, I'm just saying that a lot of the facts add up against him.
 
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Warren is the kind of candidate we need but that we don't deserve. If we were a country that cared about policy and not ephemeral "likability" bullshit she would be a shoe-in.
 
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Pooh said:
Warren is the kind of candidate we need but that we don't deserve. If we were a country that cared about policy and not ephemeral "likability" bullshit she would be a shoe-in.
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You are not wrong, but if we were in that country Trump never would have gotten elected in the first place.
 
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Wilsongt said:
Anyone is going to have a hard time against Trump in 2020. There are a lot of solidly red states and far too many stupidly red swing-y states.
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A hard time, yes, but I don't think it will be in terms of states. He's much less popular nationwide now than in 2016, and he barely won in unique circumstances, most of which are no longer present. The hard time will be the dipshit media which will inevitably try to treat both candidates as equal in everything. He'll also be way better funded than last time and ramping up the extremist propaganda (which said dipshit media won't push back on hardly at all).
 
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Wilsongt said:
Anyone is going to have a hard time against Trump in 2020. There are a lot of solidly red states and far too many stupidly red swing-y states.
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And racist rhetoric and fearmongering will be way worse this round since it was so successful in the previous presidential election. Sadly due to the damn electoral college our hopes lie in states where white fragility is at its worst, those people will easily get scared into voting from trump gain. We saw a preview of what's to come in Florida and Georgia where the republians won the governor race by slim margins and mostly because of how effective the caravan bullshit was with those racists.
 
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BWoog said:
We'll just have to wait and see but truth be told, Republicans voted for him anyway and there were a TON of people (Democrats and Independents) who voted Trump simply out of the fact that they hated Hillary that much.

We won't be running into that problem again and Trump BARELY won. We now have 4 years of his shitshow to dash a ton of his promises.

I'm not saying it will be an easy win, I'm just saying that a lot of the facts add up against him.
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It is, but we shouldn't assume we can nominate anyone and win. We need margin for error to take the Senate and to be able to absorb a couple things breaking against us.
 
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It's going to be hard to convince people Gillibrand deserves to be at the later debates over Tulsi and Castro if she's still polling at 1.She really might drop out before Iowa.
 
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BWoog said:
We'll just have to wait and see but truth be told, Republicans voted for him anyway and there were a TON of people (Democrats and Independents) who voted Trump simply out of the fact that they hated Hillary that much.

We won't be running into that problem again and Trump BARELY won. We now have 4 years of his shitshow to dash a ton of his promises.

I'm not saying it will be an easy win, I'm just saying that a lot of the facts add up against him.
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A lot of people point to "well Trump was unpopular in 2016 too," but that's missing some context. Like here's the Trump pros and cons as a candidate in 2016:

- 40% favorability
+ seen as a successful businessman/deal maker in spite of his crass personality and bigoted remarks/actions
+ "outsider" who can shake up the system
+ opponent was trying to win a third consecutive term for the same party
+ running against an opponent who's nearly as unpopular as he is

He doesn't have those middle three going for him in 2020. It's tough to topple incumbents but that's also compared to like, 2004 or 2012 when said incumbent still had decent approval ratings. Trump's are shit.

I don't think we should take anything for granted, especially without knowing who his opponent will be (and how badly the GOP slander machine will end up damaging them), but even if we say it's a coin toss I'd put a small weight on the Democrat's side at least.
 
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Dierce said:
And racist rhetoric and fearmongering will be way worse this round since it was so successful in the previous presidential election. Sadly due to the damn electoral college our hopes lie in states where white fragility is at its worst, those people will easily get scared into voting from trump gain. We saw a preview of what's to come in Florida and Georgia where the republians won the governor race by slim margins and mostly because of how effective the caravan bullshit was with those racists.
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I can say from experience that here in Georgia, Republicans won because they fucking cheated. Brian Kemp was in charge of the Election that he himself was running in. People on the ground are going to attempt to subvert that shit next time.
 
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It's interesting and amazing that the flood gates holding back women candidates seems to have finally burst. Hillary might have lost, but an army of women are now following in her footsteps.
 
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Pooh said:
Warren is the kind of candidate we need but that we don't deserve. If we were a country that cared about policy and not ephemeral "likability" bullshit she would be a shoe-in.
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If we were like that, Kerry and Hillary both would have easily won their elections

We'd be in such a better place if people didn't instinctively vote for the most "likeable" candidate
 
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Lol trump at the rally asking if everything was okay with the cameraman who was attacked. Hey guys, did my hate mob get ya? Yeah you gotta watch out, are you okay? Okay back to business, those guys back there are the enemy of the American people!
 
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RastaMentality said:
It's going to be hard to convince people Gillibrand deserves to be at the later debates over Tulsi and Castro if she's still polling at 1.She really might drop out before Iowa.
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At minimum she should make a policy her Big Deal(tm) and ask candidates to support it or not. That's how you move a party around even if you don't win the primary.
 

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LegendofJoe said:
It's interesting and amazing that the flood gates holding back women candidates seems to have finally burst. Hillary might have lost, but an army of women are now following in her footsteps.
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Ironically, I think Hillary losing is partially why we're seeing so many female candidates. Women have finally had enough with all of the bullshit we've thrown at them and are taking things into their own hands. It's pretty awesome.
 
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