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Sky Chief

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Oct 30, 2017
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Yup, he may as well be holding a gigantic sign saying "i'm guilty".

Exactly, and in particular when it came out that Manafort gave polling data to Russia if Trump was innocent or good at pretending to be innocent he should have been tweeting something like "Manafort violated my trust and betrayed our country. Unforgivable! Did he forget he signed an NDA!? I'm bringing legal action!"

The reason that people think that Trump is guilty of conspiring with Russia and being a Russian asset is because he acts EXACTLY LIKE someone who's guilty of conspiring with Russia and being a Russian asset. There's no other explanation for it.
 

androvsky

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is there more context to the statement about Manafort lying to the Executive Branch? I suspect it's possible Mueller is largely referring to the Obama administration there, Manafort's been trying to push pro-Putin stuff in the U.S. for quite a while.
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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I trust Warren on the filibuster issue. She's shown her commitment to nuking things, even herself. I know she'd do it.
 

Luminish

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I wish the media was as adamant at calling out the economic illiteracy of dudes like Ted Cruz for supporting shit like returning to the gold standard. It seriously doesn't get any dumber than that
Or Ted Yoho suggesting a government default wouldn't be that bad because it worked out for his business.

But maybe it's better for the fact checkers to keep platforming her views in an attempt to fact check her. Seems to only help Trump and the far right when they do it for them.
 

Wilsongt

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Republicans, ya'll.

https://fox4kc.com/2019/02/21/arkan...tda2L-WGRPr-5p64sGvTW1qKjl8AZ4uEfh-DkHGAQneYM

WEST MEMPHIS, Ark. — One Arkansas lawmaker wants to get more students reading by putting money on the line — specifically, their lunch money.

Rep. Alan Clark (R-Lonsdale) proposed a bill that would cut lunch funding in schools that struggle with reading, and he is working to get others to support the idea.

Clark's proposed bill, if passed, would reduce a district's "national school lunch funding" if they're struggling in the reading department over a period of time.

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Yep
 

lenovox1

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Oct 26, 2017
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Which incumbents have been ousted in the open primary system. Eric Swalwell is the only one who comes to mind, but 2012 also shifted a ton of the lines so a ton of incumbents weren't running in districts where they had run before in and only represented a fraction of their new districts.

ie: Pete Stark's old district looked pretty different than the new district he lost (he also was dodged by a ton of ethics scandals that makes it different than an ideological primary)

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EDIT: So even when Joe Baca lost in 2012, the same thing: yes, Ontario still anchors the district, but it shift the district way to the left by adding Pomona, and 150k new voters that he didn't represent beforehand. Also loses San Bernardino, which was Baca's home base, which is uh, sort of a big deal.

https://www.openprimaries.org/research_california

That statement came from a biased source. They did a surface look at the data and attributed something to it that the data doesn't necessarily represent, as brought up by your quick analysis.

Under California's old partisan system, only two incumbents were defeated in all State Legislative and Congressional elections between 2002 and 2010 (five election cycles). The "unlucky" two included Democratic Congressman Gary Condit, who was caught up in the Chandra Levy murder investigation in 2002, and Republican Congressman Richard Pombo who was caught up in the 2006 Jack Abramoff bribery scandal. During this period in California, unless they were being investigated for murder or caught in a national bribery scandal, a political incumbent's chance of re-election was 100%.

The implementation of Top Two saw incumbents defeated in record numbers. In 2012, 10 incumbents lost their reelection bids, including Pete Stark, who was unseated by fellow Democrat Eric Swalwell in a same-party general election. He had never once faced a competitive November re-election during his nearly 40 years in Congress. In 2014, another four incumbents were defeated.[20] In addition, many long serving incumbents retired ahead of the 2012 elections rather than face the new political landscape.[21]

Some of they're other points, like the competitiveness of the contests since the use of the new system, are better researched by actual researchers and scientists.
 

ArkhamFantasy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have a very little knowledge of the fillibuster so i'm hoping you guys can educate me on the pros and cons.

Is the filibuster protecting vitally important legislation thats already been passed? For instance, if we nuke the filibuster can republican repeal something like social security or medicare with just 50 votes?
 

Zeno

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have a very little knowledge of the fillibuster so i'm hoping you guys can educate me on the pros and cons.

Is the filibuster protecting vitally important legislation thats already been passed? For instance, if we nuke the filibuster can republican repeal something like social security or medicare with just 50 votes?
They could. We ultimately just have to trust that doing so will cost them in the long run vs passing progressive legislation.
 

AnotherNils

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Oct 27, 2017
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There's a few answers, but it's probably not really a unified thing across all anti-vaxxers. A lot of it will come down to vaccines are bad and they'll come up with whatever excuses they can to claim they're bad no matter what.

One of the things anti-vaxxers like to push is that the vaccine schedule has too many vaccines, too rapidly. A teenager getting some vaccines wouldn't go against that. But of course, they have other arguments. There's chemicals. Thimerosal is used as a preservative for vials with multiple doses and contains mercury and it's due to anti-vaxxers that thimerosal free formulations were created. Studies found there isn't any difference in vaccines with or without thimerosal. Thimerosal is still used in vaccines today but every single vaccine is currently available in a thimerosal free formulation which may have to be requested for by the patient. Anti-vaxxers also don't like shedding, a term for viral replication in an infected person and spreading the virus to the environment. This is only relevant to live attenuated vaccines, but in the real world it's actually irrelevant because those attenuated viruses are harmless and do not cause disease except in rare situations, such as an immunocompromised patient.

There's probably more, but that's what I can remember off the top of my head.
I appreciate the answer.
 

metalslimer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah I Gillibrand isnt Chafee bad but there are too many people right now eating her lunch

She really doesnt seem to have an issue where she can make inroads. Shes going to need people to flame out
 

Drakeon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I prefer e-Warrens answer.


I've been warming up to Harris as of late, but still hate this non-committal on nuking the filibuster. We'll get nothing done if we win with a Dem President, 51-53 Senators and the House and keep the filibuster. Nothing will get done. You will not peal off 7+ Republicans for any major issue aside from possibly a more robust criminal justice reform.

The filibuster has to go. It has to go. They way to build momentum so that we don't get a repeat of 2010 is to actually pass some of those things we've been promising, and that's not gonna happen with the filibuster.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I have a very little knowledge of the fillibuster so i'm hoping you guys can educate me on the pros and cons.

Is the filibuster protecting vitally important legislation thats already been passed? For instance, if we nuke the filibuster can republican repeal something like social security or medicare with just 50 votes?

Sure, the main concern would likely be that abortion would be banned in all states once the GOP got a trifecta without the filibuster. Social Security and Medicare could be touched but would be unlikely to touch and I doubt much of the Civil Rights Act would be touched either.
 

metalslimer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not worried about the GOP destroying Medicare or SS with major legislation as the pendulum would swing so forcefully against them. The concern going forward would be any major dem legislation would have a short half life and trying to remake our healthcare system in that framework would be very difficult
 

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I don't see the point in loudly campaigning against the filibuster while in the minority. And that's not something the president would have much say in anyway.

If we're concerned about control of the Senate, eWarren should protect her seat instead of handing it to a Republican.
 

Kusagari

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I'm not worried about the GOP destroying Medicare or SS with major legislation as the pendulum would swing so forcefully against them. The concern going forward would be any major dem legislation would have a short half life and trying to remake our healthcare system in that framework would be very difficult

All you can do is hope the public takes to the legislation before the GOP takes control and repealing it is too toxic for them to consider without massive protest.

It's a gamble but at least you're taking a shot. We will accomplish nothing if we keep the filibuster.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Campaigning against it really doesn't do anyone favors besides anger Connies. We just have to hope that Sanders or Harris are willing to do it when the time comes.
 

Suiko

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What is even the point of talking to people if they admit the video they are discussing is doctored and literally edited in a project veritas manner and continue to use it as some proof?

ERA is a fucking mess, we're at a point where a small group of people are literally disregarding facts just to create their own ridiculous narrative and constantly shitting up any type of thread that is about Democrats.

And the worst part is people see these political interactions and think this is some type of microcosm of the political landscape at large, when in reality it's a feud between a couple of socialists and people who are democrats.

It's a fucking joke.

It's becoming what I feared it might be, thankfully I still think the mods on this site will adapt and adjust to these changing dynamics.
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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If we're concerned about control of the Senate, eWarren should protect her seat instead of handing it to a Republican.
The fuck are you talking about? Baker can only appoint someone temporarily, literally only for a few months. Then it goes to a special election where MA would almost certainly elect a Dem.

This isn't a Showered situation here.
 

JustinP

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Oct 25, 2017
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How about climate change is real but Turtle controls the Senate because the U.S. is full of racists.
How does Feinstein's 4 page outline help get us closer to solving climate change than the growing momentum for AOC's popular green new deal? Is Feinstein's 4 page outline going to help defeat those republicans standing in the way??

edit: I posted it in the other thread but you can read it here if you haven't: https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pu...0E73.2019.02.22-climate-change-resolution.pdf
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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How does Feinstein's 4 page outline help get us closer to solving climate change than the growing momentum for AOC's popular green new deal?
More like Feinstein's proposal or the length of it is completely immaterial as long as the GOP control the Senate. His point - and mine - is that the anger is misdirected.
 

TheHunter

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Oct 25, 2017
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More like Feinstein's proposal or the length of it is completely immaterial as long as the GOP control the Senate. His point - and mine - is that the anger is misdirected.
I think that is another consequence of kicking the can down the road.

Keep doing it, Eco-terrorism might not just be a catchy buzz word.
 
Jan 15, 2019
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I've been warming up to Harris as of late, but still hate this non-committal on nuking the filibuster. We'll get nothing done if we win with a Dem President, 51-53 Senators and the House and keep the filibuster. Nothing will get done. You will not peal off 7+ Republicans for any major issue aside from possibly a more robust criminal justice reform.

The filibuster has to go. It has to go. They way to build momentum so that we don't get a repeat of 2010 is to actually pass some of those things we've been promising, and that's not gonna happen with the filibuster.
I agree that the filibuster needs to go, but it seems that dem candidates are being noncommittal about it because they don't want to lay their cards on the table before they know they've won the presidency and senate. I guess there's a risk that if McConnell thinks dems are going to nuke the filibuster that he'll do it first and pass a bunch of awful shit on his way out. So for now I'm ok with anyone who doesn't plainly say they absolutely won't get rid of it. I think there's a legit strategy to the wishy washy answers in this case.
 
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