Afaik, the NY AG still has some state charges lined up. I hope they don't just drop those now simply because he's behind bars already.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE
- Thread starter Ogodei
- Start date
- Status
Afaik, the NY AG still has some state charges lined up. I hope they don't just drop those now simply because he's behind bars already.
I wish it was more, but for a dude his age 7 years is going to be rough as fuck. Ellis is the one that fucked up, Jackson's ruling seems fair to me.
Time to update thread title:
My name is Paul Manafort and I fucking love crimes...and the judges respect that
My name is Paul Manafort and I fucking love crimes...and the judges respect that
It was 6.5 but she has to sentence him concurrently for some of the charges. Ellis did Manafort a service with that slap on the wrist last week
What exactly is there to blame her for? It's a perfectly fair sentence for what he did and what was before her.
Precisely. This is about right. That insult to justice the other day shouldn't factor into this sentencing.
But we shouldn't stop demanding something happen to Ellis for that abhorrent sentencing.
I mean, were this a case by itself, 7 years of the max 10 would be fair, no?
It's only because of the context of other cases that you feel her sentence isn't fair. It's not her job to make you feel good.
It's not by itself though. I fundamentally disagree with the judges opening statement that the case should be judged by its own merits, we're not in a high school mock trial.
But that's the way the law should be applied. Allowing outside factors into a sentencing leads to a myriad of problems
You can't just selectively apply that though, that's not how it works.
Seriously, all he had to do was look at who appointed the judges in each respective jurisdiction.
It would be the right thing to do.
You could even still say the bs at the start and give a full sentence anyway, then everyone would be happy.
If anyone deserves a harsh sentence to deter other professional ratfucks, it's Manafort. But his career is over, and most of his ill-gotten gains are confiscated, so it could be worse. Ellis is a joke.
I'm sure it feels much better to fret about what's perfectly legal while Ellis is cackling over how transparent he is.
But it would. You're forgetting about Manafort's ability to appeal here. Allow outside factors in, that makes it so much easier for Manafort to just have the whole thing dismissed on an appeal as you can't just be selective like that.
Like, I perfectly understand how you feel. It's insane how lightly he's getting off. He does not deserve that light of a sentence, at all, and it's crazy he's getting one. But that's on the first judge. Giving a heavier sentence than one would otherwise just because of another judge's failings is not magically justice. Either a crime deserves a particular sentence, or it doesn't. That justice was not served in one instance is not reason to create further injustices by giving a heavier sentence than one would otherwise to try and "make up for it" or whatever. Justice is supposed to be blind, and for good reason. And what you're taking about is the opposite of that, and I myself would have to argue that Manafort would be fully justified in an appeal of such a sentence in such a situation.
I nonetheless get how you feel. But piling wrongs on top of wrongs would not be the appropriate answer here.
I didn't say anything about Ellis, what sentence he handed down was in fact bullshit and I agree with your sentiment there so I don't know why you're coming at me for that tbh.
Whatever, you direct your anger at Jackson all you want, I thought she was perfectly fair and her ruling and that's the only point I wanted to make.
But that's not on Kennedy.
Do we want a judge giving a minority a harsher sentence because an earlier judge gave them a light one in a completely unrelated trial? (And obviously this DOES happen from time to time because some judges are fucking terrible and it still SHOULDN'T).
This stuff exists the way it does for good reason, even if it leads to frustration like today. No one would bat an eyelid at the ruling today if Ellis had done his job instead of being a goddamn traitor. Kennedy may have wanted to go harder on Manafort today as a result, but it would have been the wrong thing to do.
Outside of the ruling here, it's extraordinarily clear that the guidelines we use to prosecute white collar are on an absolutely different level than those of lower level crimes in terms of scope of sentencing, extremely punitive sentences on petty crime vs white collar that inflicts millions in losses but does nothing more than slaps on the wrist are going to be galling to anyone who has dealt with courts.
It's hard to walk away from this seeing an absolute criminal still run the chance of not just rotting in prison for what is clearly far more than many unfortunate souls who did far, far less.
It's hard to walk away from this seeing an absolute criminal still run the chance of not just rotting in prison for what is clearly far more than many unfortunate souls who did far, far less.
https://www.manhattanda.org/district-attorney-vance-announces-indictment-of-paul-manafort/
New York cleaning up the mess. 16 big counts
New York cleaning up the mess. 16 big counts
pffft hahhahahaha
A woman got 3 years in prison for falsifying her address so her daughter could go to a better school. Justice isn't fair and primarily dependant on what judge you get and how good your attorneys are
Hahahahahaha, New York just like, nah thas's not enough time, we'll gladly give him some more time.
I missed the word minority. I want it to happen in this case, he's not a minority.
- Status