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US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| My name is Paul Manafort and I fucking love crimes...and the judge respects that

Oct 28, 2017
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No. It’s very clear the guy is a nazi. There’s evidence of that everywhere. However, we also know he’s a member of 8chan, which a community that the mainstream media knows little to nothing about. So they need to take care with their reporting so they can view everything with the right amount of scrutiny. As this guy says:


Also this guy

Sadly, I'd consider myself 'extremely online' -- and I just don't understand the dire warnings about reading and reporting on the manifesto carefully. What is the risk? Oh no, Bloomberg reported the terrorist likes Spyro? Doesn't this sort of reaction play into the terrorists' hands?

Part of the success of modern (online) right-wing hate groups have been blanketing themselves in cloaks of 'irony' and 'shitposting'. They can say all the hateful and racist things they want, but when called out -- they just claim 'lol bro we're joking'.

Why the warnings about treading carefully here? The problem all along has been not taking these people at their word -- that when they say the want to see people destroyed, they actually mean it and are not joking.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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As a Canadian, i'm offended by your use of that awful song.

You could have used Southern Man instead:
1. I think my husband was right the other day when he said that Warren is too good for this country.

2. Should I be embarrassed that I had to look that song up? It's before my time unfortunately. Sk8ter Boi, on the other hand, came out while I was in high school.... and plus someone here was saying Trump was gonna call Beto a "skater boy."
 

plagiarize

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Oct 25, 2017
6,065
Cape Cod, MA
Sadly, I'd consider myself 'extremely online' -- and I just don't understand the dire warnings about reading and reporting on the manifesto carefully. What is the risk? Oh no, Bloomberg reported the terrorist likes Spyro? Doesn't this sort of reaction play into the terrorists' hands?

Part of the success of modern (online) right-wing hate groups have been blanketing themselves in cloaks of 'irony' and 'shitposting'. They can say all the hateful and racist things they want, but when called out -- they just claim 'lol bro we're joking'.

Why the warnings about treading carefully here? The problem all along has been not taking these people at their word -- that when they say the want to see people destroyed, they actually mean it and are not joking.
Because there's stuff in it that's clearly meant to troll, like claiming they were radicalized by Candace Owens. But there's also stuff in there that is clearly what he actually believes. It's written for a very specific audience.
 
Oct 25, 2017
606
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Oct 28, 2017
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Because there's stuff in it that's clearly meant to troll, like claiming they were radicalized by Candace Owens. But there's also stuff in there that is clearly what he actually believes. It's written for a very specific audience.
Obviously, the terrorist is not a reliably narrator in their own manifesto. What is new about that? What makes that so special that we get dire warnings? You don't need to know the detailed history of the Kermit the Frog meme to understand that a racist terrorist claiming to be radicalized by Candace Owens doesn't seem like an honest claim.

This dire warnings only serve to benefit modern right-wing terrorists. These fuckers hope to cloak every evil thing they say in memes and jokes, so that when the media attempts to do some sort of 'filtering pass' -- that they (mistakenly) filter out all the honest views with the red-herring memes.

The problem has been that reporters have been too careful. Claiming that filtering through the noise in this case is somehow special is what these fuckers want to happen. It doesn't take a rocket science to cut through the online bullshit.
 

plagiarize

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Oct 25, 2017
6,065
Cape Cod, MA
Obviously, the terrorist is not a reliably narrator in their own manifesto. What is new about that? What makes that so special that we get dire warnings? You don't need to know the detailed history of the Kermit the Frog meme to understand that a racist terrorist claiming to be radicalized by Candace Owens doesn't seem like an honest claim.

This dire warnings only serve to benefit modern right-wing terrorists. These fuckers hope to cloak every evil thing they say in memes and jokes, so that when the media attempts to do some sort of 'filtering pass' -- that they (mistakenly) filter out all the honest views with the red-herring memes.

The problem has been that reporters have been too careful. Claiming that filtering through the noise in this case is somehow special is what these fuckers want to happen. It doesn't take a rocket science to cut through the online bullshit.
The stuff that's OBVIOUS is OBVIOUS. But it isn't all going to be obvious to people that have never been exposed to these shit heads. That's all.

I've already seen headlines from WaPo saying the shooter was inspired by US white nationalism. It's not going to be buried. People are just asking the press to make sure they understand it before they rush to print things from it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,714
Fascinating how he immediately, openly perpetuates the "dual loyalty" claim that they attacked Omar over the potential, unintentional hinting of.
He already gave up the game immediately:


@realDonaldTrump

Representative Ilhan Omar is again under fire for her terrible comments concerning Israel. Jewish groups have just sent a petition to Speaker Pelosi asking her to remove Omar from Foreign Relations Committee. A dark day for Israel!

It wasn't "Representative Omar is again under fire for her terrible comments concerning Jewish citizens." It literally says her comments were about Israel.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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2. Should I be embarrassed that I had to look that song up? It's before my time unfortunately. Sk8ter Boi, on the other hand, came out while I was in high school.... and plus someone here was saying Trump was gonna call Beto a "skater boy."
No, but now I have to give you a little more information, because there is a cool story ifyou were unaware. Neil Young wrote it about the election of segregationist George Wallace to governor down there. The song Sweet Home Alabama, by Lynnyrd Skynnyrd which I assume you do know, is actually a response to it. Here's the lyrics to two of the verses

Now in Birmingham they love the governor
We all did what we could do
Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you tell me true

Now I heard Mr Young sing about her
I heard old Neil put her down
I hope Neil Young will remember
Southern Man don't want him around anyhow

Anyway, my recollection is that Neil Young liked the song and expressed remorse for blaming all of the south for the south, though we all still like to do the same to this day
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oct 25, 2017
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1. I think my husband was right the other day when he said that Warren is too good for this country.
Warren is too good for this country the same way Clinton was.

I assure you if she becomes the nominee you'll see the exact same "But what does she actually support, all she does is attack Trump" bullshit from the media and uninformed voters.
 

plagiarize

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Oct 25, 2017
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Warren is too good for this country the same way Clinton was.

I assure you if she becomes the nominee you'll see the exact same "But what does she actually support, all she does is attack Trump" bullshit from the media and uninformed voters.
Maybe I'm crazy but I think her odds of beating Trump are better than her odds of winning the nomination.
 
Mar 13, 2018
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Sadly, I'd consider myself 'extremely online' -- and I just don't understand the dire warnings about reading and reporting on the manifesto carefully. What is the risk? Oh no, Bloomberg reported the terrorist likes Spyro? Doesn't this sort of reaction play into the terrorists' hands?

Part of the success of modern (online) right-wing hate groups have been blanketing themselves in cloaks of 'irony' and 'shitposting'. They can say all the hateful and racist things they want, but when called out -- they just claim 'lol bro we're joking'.

Why the warnings about treading carefully here? The problem all along has been not taking these people at their word -- that when they say the want to see people destroyed, they actually mean it and are not joking.
It's more in line with this thinking:
When the alt-right blurts the line between trolling and genuine hatred, it becomes impossible for anything to stick. They will always have a bit of plausible deniability to fall back on. Plus there will be plenty of people to defend people like Pewpewdie who serve as a starting point for such ideologies.
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,645

Sometimes it amazing these people don't straight up choke the interviewer
This ties into this:

Warren is too good for this country the same way Clinton was.

I assure you if she becomes the nominee you'll see the exact same "But what does she actually support, all she does is attack Trump" bullshit from the media and uninformed voters.
You never hear them talk policy because no one asks or cares.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,909

Sometimes it amazing these people don't straight up choke the interviewer
Ehhhhhhh ... It's on the candidate to navigate the media reality. This is not a new reality. The best candidates can turn any question into an answer on things they actually want to talk about. A question about Trump opens you up to literally any part of your platform! A question about Beto opens you up to talk about your unique experience that would make you a good president! A question about Biden opens you up to talk about your platform differences!

So yeah, blame the media for being the player. But blame the candidate for not knowing the game. This is candidate 101 stuff.

the media wants trump to win again
While anyone who has worked in any large organization will tell you that there's no coherent 'the media', I sympathize and kinda agree with the point. The simple view is that they're terrified of losing apolitical #brands who advertise, even though they know they've already lost that portion of the audience. The galaxy brain view is that a news media built on fear, terror, horse-race narratives, and shock value only has one logical conclusion when it comes to what's 'best' for them. More Trump.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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1. I think my husband was right the other day when he said that Warren is too good for this country.

2. Should I be embarrassed that I had to look that song up? It's before my time unfortunately. Sk8ter Boi, on the other hand, came out while I was in high school.... and plus someone here was saying Trump was gonna call Beto a "skater boy."
One of the biggest problems that came out of the two party system - Jefferson apparently did some other unusual things at home... was the elimination of the VP as a partner-deputy who was initially one of the checks and balances. Installing a puppet from your own party who's job is effectively ceremonial is detrimental to a phenomenon that might have helped us these last two hundred years - of balancing populist candidates with either their opposites or at the very least, capable bureaucrats to curb the president's worst instincts. All or nothing means throwing ~ half the country (more with gerrymandering) under the bus for four years. Warren, Buttigieg, etc, who might not win outright on charisma, could at least point their intellect and policy positions at meaningful work in the event of a loss.

Yeah, give us a president who will throw a cellphone at Putin, or demand he was her f***ing fork.

The mere fact that she's equating unpaid volunteer staffers with murderous dictators tells you a lot about how she thinks and what she's learned.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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They only care if they think they can criticize you for not talking about it.
My girlfriend had me listen to this drag podcast where one of the queens basically just both sides-ed everything and everyone and went on this diatribe of "Hillary wanted to be the first woman president but never once said what she'll do for women, she never supported family leave!" and my girlfriend was just nodding along like "hm yeah that's a good point" and it's like

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/paid-leave/

And this was an issue she talked about at every rally, in every campaign speech. It was a first 100 days issue. You just weren't paying attention. All you had to do was google "hillary clinton family leave".

People just treat the both sides, lesser of two evils etc rhetoric as fucking gospel and shut themselves off so they never have to question it.

You can see it with the Beto stuff on the OT side of things. "He doesn't support Medicare for All," "he doesn't support the Green New Deal," yes he does. You just already committed to your narrative about the candidate.

Likewise with Hillary, I had a friend who insisted - several times - that Hillary did not support a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United, only Bernie did. And every time I linked him to this page:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

He'd act surprised because his TYT-filtered news stream would conveniently forget to mention it. He'd admit he was wrong in the moment, then a few months later hop back on the exact same talking points.

It's fucking infuriating and I'm not really looking forward to dealing with this shit for the rest of my life, but I don't see it changing.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,965
No, but now I have to give you a little more information, because there is a cool story ifyou were unaware. Neil Young wrote it about the election of segregationist George Wallace to governor down there. The song Sweet Home Alabama, by Lynnyrd Skynnyrd which I assume you do know, is actually a response to it. Here's the lyrics to two of the verses

Now in Birmingham they love the governor
We all did what we could do
Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you tell me true

Now I heard Mr Young sing about her
I heard old Neil put her down
I hope Neil Young will remember
Southern Man don't want him around anyhow

Anyway, my recollection is that Neil Young liked the song and expressed remorse for blaming all of the south for the south, though we all still like to do the same to this day
Interesting stuff, thanks.

Sometimes it amazing these people don't straight up choke the interviewer
The media is misogynistic traaaaash, news at 11.

Fuck her.
 
Oct 25, 2017
668
USA
The next president needs to go on the offensive against white nationalism. Explicitly label them terrorist groups and devote national security resources to stifle any violence before it happens. Start bringing terrorist charges against violent actors and those who instruct them. Basically, treat them like any other terrorist group. That's exactly what they are.

I think this is far more important than simply trying to nail Trump and his cohorts for their various crimes. Focus on the shit that is actually killing people and go after it hard.