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US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE
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Ehhhhhhh ... It's on the candidate to navigate the media reality. This is not a new reality. The best candidates can turn any question into an answer on things they actually want to talk about. A question about Trump opens you up to literally any part of your platform! A question about Beto opens you up to talk about your unique experience that would make you a good president! A question about Biden opens you up to talk about your platform differences!
So yeah, blame the media for being the player. But blame the candidate for not knowing the game. This is candidate 101 stuff.
While anyone who has worked in any large organization will tell you that there's no coherent 'the media', I sympathize and kinda agree with the point. The simple view is that they're terrified of losing apolitical #brands who advertise, even though they know they've already lost that portion of the audience. The galaxy brain view is that a news media built on fear, terror, horse-race narratives, and shock value only has one logical conclusion when it comes to what's 'best' for them. More Trump.
One of the biggest problems that came out of the two party system - Jefferson apparently did some other unusual things at home... was the elimination of the VP as a partner-deputy who was initially one of the checks and balances. Installing a puppet from your own party who's job is effectively ceremonial is detrimental to a phenomenon that might have helped us these last two hundred years - of balancing populist candidates with either their opposites or at the very least, capable bureaucrats to curb the president's worst instincts. All or nothing means throwing ~ half the country (more with gerrymandering) under the bus for four years. Warren, Buttigieg, etc, who might not win outright on charisma, could at least point their intellect and policy positions at meaningful work in the event of a loss.
Yeah, give us a president who will throw a cellphone at Putin, or demand he was her f***ing fork.
The mere fact that she's equating unpaid volunteer staffers with murderous dictators tells you a lot about how she thinks and what she's learned.
My girlfriend had me listen to this drag podcast where one of the queens basically just both sides-ed everything and everyone and went on this diatribe of "Hillary wanted to be the first woman president but never once said what she'll do for women, she never supported family leave!" and my girlfriend was just nodding along like "hm yeah that's a good point" and it's like
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/paid-leave/
And this was an issue she talked about at every rally, in every campaign speech. It was a first 100 days issue. You just weren't paying attention. All you had to do was google "hillary clinton family leave".
People just treat the both sides, lesser of two evils etc rhetoric as fucking gospel and shut themselves off so they never have to question it.
You can see it with the Beto stuff on the OT side of things. "He doesn't support Medicare for All," "he doesn't support the Green New Deal," yes he does. You just already committed to your narrative about the candidate.
Likewise with Hillary, I had a friend who insisted - several times - that Hillary did not support a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United, only Bernie did. And every time I linked him to this page:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/
He'd act surprised because his TYT-filtered news stream would conveniently forget to mention it. He'd admit he was wrong in the moment, then a few months later hop back on the exact same talking points.
It's fucking infuriating and I'm not really looking forward to dealing with this shit for the rest of my life, but I don't see it changing.
I feel like someone here made a joke along these lines a week ago.
Interesting stuff, thanks.
The media is misogynistic traaaaash, news at 11.
Fuck her.
The next president needs to go on the offensive against white nationalism. Explicitly label them terrorist groups and devote national security resources to stifle any violence before it happens. Start bringing terrorist charges against violent actors and those who instruct them. Basically, treat them like any other terrorist group. That's exactly what they are.
I think this is far more important than simply trying to nail Trump and his cohorts for their various crimes. Focus on the shit that is actually killing people and go after it hard.
I think this is far more important than simply trying to nail Trump and his cohorts for their various crimes. Focus on the shit that is actually killing people and go after it hard.
They wanted something to help their arguments, not to help make a decision.
Has to be a whole menu of things from getting Facebook/Google/Twitter to change their algorithms/ad policies that drive divisive content, fixing immigration at the US/Mexico border (and the destabilization in the Middle East that's led to tons of refugees in Europe), focusing on climate change/AI and making sure people are able to have dignified careers during those transitions instead of turning to "if we just got rid of the 'others' we wouldn't have this problem!" We obviously need better gun control. We need to talk about all these things in the right way that isn't something that can be easily used to further divide people.
Going after the groups themselves needs to be done, but it's just whack-a-mole without a comprehensive approach.
Is there a way candidates can make sure the media will talk about their policy? It seems like candidates need to redirect the questions to a specific policy.
I May not like bernie but I dislike his wife more becausr almost everything ahe does with money is shady as hell.
I think it'd raise some eyebrows if they answered every non-policy question with "What does this have to do with my policies for America?"
Yeesh, I just looked at his tweets. He seems even more desperate and louder in tone than usual.
I'm more of a single-state solution guy. Give the Palestinians equal rights and representation within Israel. Israel in 2019 is fairly analogous to apartheid-era South Africa, where the best solution was not to break apart South Africa, but to give representation to black South Africans (and full representation to mixed and Indian South Africans too).
Yep. This makes the stuff that THQN did all the more disgusting.
Are you telling me that two state solutions like Eire and NI, and India and Pakistan didn't work out?
"The South is just a bunch of red states, who cares?"
Well, Putin doesn't work for her so I'm not sure that threatening to kill their career is going to be as effective as when she did it to her staff.
Also, thinking that being an asshole to people with no power over you that have to take your shit or lose their job makes you "tough" is yet another reason for me to hope her campaign crash and burn.
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Let's just say good ol Rick had his hands in quite a lot of honeypots during and after the 2016 election.
And the fact that Mueller was willing to basically let Flynn go, when he and his deplorable son literally plotted to kidnap Gulen from Pennsylvania to send him to Turkey to be murdered, means that he must be spilling a lot too. Those befuddled and angry reactions from that judge were a good look into the fuckery we the public still have no idea what it's about.
Flynn also had his hands in a lot of interesting honeypots during and after the election.
So when you hear "no collusion" or "proof of collusion", just nod your head, smile, and wait. Shit is going to come out like an avalanche because I think we know the game now - get a couple high level guys to spill the beans over things you can nail them with right now and then you roll up on everyone else mob style. It's why Erik Prince, who we knew was lying when he was speaking to congress real-time, has not been called up yet, why Jr is still waiting, why we haven't even seen Jerome Corsi indicted yet, and so on ...
Prepare your butts.
I'm beginning to think that Bernie uses his power and influence to give his wife lots of money, and jobs she doesn't deserve.
#BernieBaseSoWhite
Also, that Gohmert tweet is just a word salad of nonsense.
True but Bernie cant force a diverse audience
Maybe the outreach approach is flwed though
She has made a mess of everything she's touched, including their tax returns.
There's a great ContraPoints video (well, they're all great, but I can't remember which this was specifically) where she talks about how irony is often just used as a way to veil ideas that you're just toying with and want to try experimenting with in public, but you're just too afraid to state it straight. She based this on her own experience as toying around with all kinds of "cross-dresser/transvestite/'i'm just a pervert I guess'" kinds of humor she used to describe herself when ultimately she was just using it as a way to gradually come to terms with the reality that she identified as a woman. It was basically a normalization process both for her and the public.
I think about that every time I see people/manifestos like this - sure, a lot of it is intentionally dramatic and shitposty, but that's only because it's being used just as one big smoke grenade to send people scattered in all directions and hide what you truly believe. Whether or not some of it was "trolling" doesn't matter because what he and people like him believe is incredibly clear - they're white supremacists who fundamentally believe in genocide, and the "white genocide/great replacement" thing is just another example of their projection.
Honestly, one of the most haunting things about the manifesto were excerpts I saw floating around talking about how he felt motivated to do it due to the environment, and his supposed "concerns" about all these "invaders" coming in to destroy our ecology and our resources. I found that so frightening because it's such a clear glimpse of our future. These people are engaging in an effort to normalize that very idea - that when climate change gets serious and resources become scarce and regions of the Earth become gradually uninhabitable, it's "us vs. them" so what is effectively mass murder is justified. The Left really needs to get out ahead of this, because I can easily see large parts of the public becoming okay with mass slaughter when suddenly their cheap goods and abundant food are threatened due to ecological disaster. Centrists simply have no legitimacy to solve this kind of problem - we're hurtling toward a potentially dark future filled with horrific incidents like this on a mass scale and no one in power is doing enough to stop it.
Bernie isn't going to be able to garner more minority/diverse support in what's a far more diverse field. If he lasts long enough to see many of the more diverse candidates drop out, he may have a better chance. I doubt he'd be the candidate many would rally to in that scenario
They're in such a mess that he STILL hasn't gottten around to releasing them. I want the full transcripts of his tax returns! And 30 years, not just 10!
I believe the video you're talking about is this one:
And yes, it's a good video. (all of them are good, except the terf one, which I dislike because it's super triggering for me)
Bernie needs to work on this if he wants to get the votes.
I'm inclined towards that notion. The biggest issue is that the Arab population will likely outnumber the Jewish one and Bibi poking that bear long enough could garnish a backlash. Which is why the Israeli government needs to reconcile with the Palestinians soon. The Israeli settlements are making the two-state solution virtually impossible, so they will have to rely on the good will of the Arab population dealing with their bullshit for so long.
Not necessarily, but I think that the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are a different beast because the US had such an interest in stepping in and creating a viable two-state solution (and we'll get more violence if the UK insists on blowing that solution up via Brexit).
India and Pakistan isn't working out well at all right now, but that's because of the haphazard way in which the British left the region and carved it up on the way out. That situation is maybe comparable to some of the issues that African states are having because of the way that colonial powers divided them up (a problem that South Africa had, to be fair, but that didn't cripple it because the imperial power stayed in the country and helped the transition to a country with equal rights and representation).
In any case, Israel and Palestine just strongly reminds me of South Africa, where even with implicit support for apartheid from world powers like the US and the UK, de Klerk worked with Mandela to lead the country toward open elections and equal rights for black and brown South Africans. Maybe the issue is that there isn't an imperial power willing to step in and broker a solution.
Honestly, having read what I wrote, maybe the successful solutions aren't necessarily one-or-two-state solutions, but are solutions where imperial powers actually step in and try to solve the problem instead of being a) indifferent or b) actively antagonistic. However, South Africa got a one-state solution done on its own and the situation there reads like Israel's, so maybe a more center/center-right party in Israel can be sick of the violence and human rights violations and, like de Klerk and the National Party, broker a one-state solution without needing anyone to step in.
This post also explains why I favor a single-state solution. If de Klerk pulled it off when Boer South Africans were vastly outnumbered by black South Africans, then the right leaders in Israel can pull the same thing off even if they are outnumbered by Palestinians. I guess that's why I favor a one-state solution: I have evidence that it can work in the modern era even though the people in minority rule are outnumbered.
This is more reflective of Bernies appeal than his outreach.
If Bernie's campaign can't reach beyond white voters, then that is a problem with outreach.
But the problem is I really dont trust Anyone with their jewish populqtion without Israel backing the population. Humanity has made sport for over 2000 years of killing jews when they get bored so I'm more comfortable with a reformed Israel with a Palestinian state next door.x
At least if things hit the fan somewhere Jews have somewhere to run if shit pops off. Because lets be honest, someone is gonna start it up again.
My flippant comment is underserving of this very well reasoned reply. I was just trying to sarcastically suggest that two state solutions aren't a magic fix. Obviously, NI and EIRE only stopped experiencing terrible sectarian violence when the border between them basically ceased to exist, and the threat of it coming back is threatening to bring back violence, and India and Pakistan almost went to war last month.
Mainly, I think your points here are excellent, and I think are more likely to be a solution than a two state 'solution' which I doubt would stop the attacks between the two territories.
Ah, the new wedge issue arrives.
Its all about him pouting and self-soothing via bullying (and big macs). He forced "my" senators to split and pick their poison politically when he hasnt put down the golf club or remote to effect any real action cuz COURTS.
The level of meanness and weakness is almost hilarious. Im still waiting for him to FOMT the 12 Yeahs though.
Bernie's main aim should be at the very least maintain the like 25ish% of southern black voters he got last time. The split votes means that would be enough to where he won't get blown out in the delegate math because there isn't one person getting every % he doesn't get
I'd like him to do better but I think it's unlikely that he does given the amount of other options
I'd like him to do better but I think it's unlikely that he does given the amount of other options
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