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US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE

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Soul Skater

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Teggy said:
Are all the people who voted for Hillary going to jump to Bernie? I don't see it.
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That would currently be me

It should be noted that I think a lot of people bought into the assumption of what media said electable means. Ie not an outsider weirdo. But clearly outside weirdos do pretty ok when they are in the inside of a major platform. I'm not really thinking "too left" will be a reason as to why we don't win like I did last time. It's really more so down to communication, clarity and platform coming from someone with a credible history of selling it

So as of now I think he'd do well in a general; or atleast much better than we did last time.
 
Autodidact

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BrutalInsane said:
I'm voting for Jill Stein if Bernie wins the primary.
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Oh god.

Vote for him in the general if he wins the fucking primary. We should be concerned almost entirely with ousting the racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-intellectual pig from the White House, and if Bernard Sanders is the vehicle to accomplish that goal, you're goddamn right I'll vote for him - and happily.
 
Soul Skater

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sphagnum said:
I feel like both Bernie and Kamala benefit if Biden stays out and both get hurt if he jumps in. Bernie and Biden have significant crossover appeal among the WWC (see the polls on who each candidate's supporters' #2 choice is). Kamala is losing a portion of the black vote and party loyalist vote to Biden.

But I don't know who would be helped/hurt more by his entrance/non-entrance. Having Biden in would certainly give Bernie someone to frame himself against more easily, at least.
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Ultimately I think Kamala loses more because these races come down to being two horse races

And it's more likely Kamala is the one left behind instead of Biden icing Bernie out. They both have clear stances where as Kamalas sort commital stances on which way she really wants to go will hurt
 
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So let's say it does in fact come down to a race between Biden and Bernie (somehow, since I doubt Biden won't drop in the polls).

Who do the PoliEra regulars want to win: Biden or Bernie?
 

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sphagnum said:
So let's say it does in fact come down to a race between Biden and Bernie (somehow, since I doubt Biden won't drop in the polls).

Who do the PoliEra regulars want to win: Biden or Bernie?
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Bernie.

At least Bernie's trying to pretend that he gives a fuck about me. Biden can't even begin to pretend to do that.

And obviously, Bernie's domestic policy proposals speak to me far more than whatever bullshit centrist fuckery Biden wants to pull.

I mean, it's not even close. Like, I am fine with hoping that Bernie can hire people with reasonable FP positions; Biden being stable with FP doesn't mean that's enough for me in 2020.
 
Rag

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ValiantChaos said:
Definitely not me. No way. You would have to put a bazooka at me to do it. If he's the nominee I will be a loyal solder and vote for him
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Exactly. No way he gets my support in the primary, but I'll absolutely and gladly vote for him in the general. The courts are too important for any kind of protest vote.
 
Soul Skater

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I think Biden would actually produce a better general election victory but I feel like it would be sort of hollow because I don't trust him to do much even if he gets the numbers to do it

Bernie I atleast know will try to fuck shit up in anyway he can
 

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UnapologeticallyBLK said:
Bernie.

At least Bernie's trying to pretend that he gives a fuck about me. Biden can't even begin to pretend to do that.

And obviously, Bernie's domestic policy proposals speak to me far more than whatever bullshit centrist fuckery Biden wants to pull.

I mean, it's not even close. Like, I am fine with hoping that Bernie can hire people with reasonable FP positions; Biden being stable with FP doesn't mean that's enough for me in 2020.
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Basically, this.
 
BrutalInsane

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Autodidact said:
Oh god.

Vote for him in the general if he wins the fucking primary. We should be concerned almost entirely with ousting the racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-intellectual pig from the White House, and if Bernard Sanders is the vehicle to accomplish that goal, you're goddamn right I'll vote for him - and happily.
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I'm kidding. Of course I'd vote for Bernie, although I'll hold my nose while doing so.
 
metalslimer

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Of course Bernie. I really don't feel like watching Biden kumbaya to republicans longing for the good old days even figuratively

I'll always appreciate Biden coming out for same sex marriage basically forcing Obama to do the same, but the only role I support him in is in some honorary role or even VP again
 
Psamtik

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sphagnum said:
So let's say it does in fact come down to a race between Biden and Bernie (somehow, since I doubt Biden won't drop in the polls).

Who do the PoliEra regulars want to win: Biden or Bernie?
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Biden. He's a mortal lock to take PA, MI, and WI, and Trump absolutely cannot win without the Rust Belt. Bernie is great, but in the general, Trump can and will portray him, with his brusque demeanor, shabby suits, and Dr. Wily hair, as a crazy old nut.

That said, 2016 taught us the value of a cult of personality, and Bernie has that in abundance. Maybe it's enough.
 
RiPPn

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Bernie. I feel Biden gets us Trump 2.0 at the end of his term, whatever or whoever that looks like. I just don't think a centrist dem in there trying to cater to everyone whilst appealing to no one is good for the party long term.
 
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Psamtik said:
That said, 2016 taught us the value of a cult of personality, and Bernie has that in abundance. Maybe it's enough.
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The % core of the public that Trump's insanity and bigotry draws is way, way, way higher than how much Sanders can draw. If he were actually capable of gathering that kind of following he would have won the 2016 primary. Really, there are far more closet racists in this country than closet, uh, socialists. Bernie's 2/5ths-at-most or so representation in a 1-on-1 dem primary is his ceiling in terms of intangibles and charisma.
 
Farmboy

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Autodidact said:
Oh god.

Vote for him in the general if he wins the fucking primary. We should be concerned almost entirely with ousting the racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-intellectual pig from the White House, and if Bernard Sanders is the vehicle to accomplish that goal, you're goddamn right I'll vote for him - and happily.
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Yep. He'd actually be quite good. Not as effective as Hillary would have been, or some of the other candidates in the race, but obviously far better than Trump. And better than Jill fucking Stein.
 

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Bernie doesn't fucking berate millennials and act like an out of touch elitist douchebag.
 
Ac30

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Was this posted?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cohen-...-conduct-while-in-office-11551175201?mod=e2tw

Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's former lawyer, will for the first time publicly accuse the president of criminal conduct while in office related to a hush-money payment to a porn star, a person familiar with his planned testimony before Congress said.

Appearing on Wednesday before the House Oversight Committee, Mr. Cohen also will make public some of Mr. Trump's private financial statemen
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Plinko

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In the Biden vs. Bernie debate, I take Biden every time simply because I am confident Bernie will torpedo himself and lose a general election. Biden will crush Trump in a general.
 
Linkura

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sphagnum said:
So let's say it does in fact come down to a race between Biden and Bernie (somehow, since I doubt Biden won't drop in the polls).

Who do the PoliEra regulars want to win: Biden or Bernie?
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Vector

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Plinko said:
In the Biden vs. Bernie debate, I take Biden every time simply because I am confident Bernie will torpedo himself and lose a general election. Biden will crush Trump in a general.
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So Bernie would torpedo himself, not the man who tried running for president several times and imploded each time with hardly any success?
 
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Raster said:
So Bernie would torpedo himself, not the man who tried running for president several times and imploded each time with hardly any success?
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I'm talking general election, not primary. In a general election, Biden has greater appeal and does a good job of reaching out to a wide variety of voters. Bernie doesn't. I think the GOP will do an effective job of demonizing his "socialism" enough to scare voters into voting against him.
 
Linkura

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You know, after this town hall, I think I'd go with Biden over Bernard. We don't need another smarmy jerk representing the US.
 

Vector

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I think both Bernie and Biden can beat Trump comfortably. You should choose based on your policy preferences and who would be better long-term.
 
Templeusox

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Who could Tulsi possibly appeal to?
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Oh. That makes sense.
 
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Dr. Benton Quest

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Templeusox said:
Who could Tulsi possibly appeal to?
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Oh. That makes sense.
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Bahaha!

In what universe could Colin call himself a centrist with a straight face?

His Twitter handle is literally no taxation.

What a moderate!
 
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Greigor the FellHand

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sphagnum said:
So let's say it does in fact come down to a race between Biden and Bernie (somehow, since I doubt Biden won't drop in the polls).

Who do the PoliEra regulars want to win: Biden or Bernie?
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ughh.

if its between those two, And Bernie doesnt get the NOM, expect another walk out and disruption at the DNC and afterwards.

but postive of those tickets.

( Biden Harris)
(Bernie Warren)

these are the VP's I see them choosing, both I think, are better than the actual president.
 
Wilsongt

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Cohen's hearing is going to be a circus and he basically set it up as him being a bitter betty with dirty laundry to air.
 
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Wilsongt said:
Cohen's hearing is going to be a circus and he basically set it up as him being a bitter betty with dirty laundry to air.
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I think we'll get a couple of juicy stories (basically just elaborating further on things we already know about) but he won't be able to answer much in regards to Russian related matters.

Would be hilarious if Cohen drops a couple of things so big they ruin Trump's NK meeting, though!
 
Blader

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Not sure about Bernie vs. Biden... on a policy level I'd say Bernie, especially as I don't believe Biden who would ever do what'll need to be done re: killing the filibuster, reforming the Supreme Court, etc. (not that Bernie has committed to these things either but he seems more likely to make the push while Biden seems absolutely dead set against it). On the other hand I feel like Biden is probably more electable in the general...but back on the first hand, fuck electability.

sphagnum said:
I feel like both Bernie and Kamala benefit if Biden stays out and both get hurt if he jumps in. Bernie and Biden have significant crossover appeal among the WWC (see the polls on who each candidate's supporters' #2 choice is). Kamala is losing a portion of the black vote and party loyalist vote to Biden.

But I don't know who would be helped/hurt more by his entrance/non-entrance. Having Biden in would certainly give Bernie someone to frame himself against more easily, at least.
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Feel like it's probably presumptuous to think Biden has any significant portion of the black vote locked down just because he was Obama's VP. The Clintons had stronger ties with the black community in 2008 than I would think Biden does, but Obama still won that bloc pretty handily. Of course it's also presumptuous to think that Kamala has the black vote locked down just because she's black! I just don't think that Biden is nearly a slam dunk in that regard as he's often thought to be.

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Who could Tulsi possibly appeal to?
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Oh. That makes sense.
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Damn you for reminding me this guy exists.
 
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Ichthyosaurus

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Bernie vs Biden

Can I get a third option please? lol

Bernie.

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Raster said:
I think both Bernie and Biden can beat Trump comfortably. You should choose based on your policy preferences and who would be better long-term.
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Politicians come with the package deal, you get everything - not simply what policies they have.
 
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