US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE

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I've said it before, but there is nobody I want to watch suffer more than McConnell.

I'm talking about straight retribution style suffering.
 

GrapeApes

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Ben Sasse supports Moore: "Steve’s nomination has thrown the card-carrying members of the Beltway establishment into a tizzy, and that says little about Steve and his belief in American ingenuity, but a lot about central planners’ devotion to groupthink.”
lol. Republicans stay trash.
 

PantherLotus

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I'm not clicking on the Lamar Alexander bullshit but framing it as a Manhattan Project But For Climate seems like a really smart way to brand something both urgent and militarily relevant for the Republican palette. It's actually kinda exciting to see it framed that way, nevermind both the cowardly timing and the uh, 'we're gonna nuke the fuckin' sky' feelings I get from it.
 

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JUST NOW: McConnell blocks Schumer measure calling for Mueller report to be made public

5:07 PM - Mar 25, 2019


Frank Thorp V @frankthorp

Sen Schumer attempts to unanimously pass a non-binding resolution expressing the sense of Congress that Mueller's report should be made available to the public and to Congress (which the House passed 420-0 on March 14).

MCCONNELL objects.

5:07 PM - Mar 25, 2019

What?

They don't want to own the libs by releasing the full report?

Very strange, quite curious.
 
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Steven Dennis @StevenTDennis

JUST NOW: McConnell blocks Schumer measure calling for Mueller report to be made public

5:07 PM - Mar 25, 2019


Frank Thorp V @frankthorp

Sen Schumer attempts to unanimously pass a non-binding resolution expressing the sense of Congress that Mueller's report should be made available to the public and to Congress (which the House passed 420-0 on March 14).

MCCONNELL objects.

5:07 PM - Mar 25, 2019

What?

They don't want to own the libs by releasing the full report?

Very strange, quite curious.
Schumer's response should be to appear on Fox and demand to know why McConnell doesn't want the American people to know how innocent Trump is.
 

PantherLotus

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Here's what the Mueller Report says (my guesses obviously):

- Mueller found that TrumpCo KNEW about the Russian interference but wasn't directing it, just receiving information about it and benefiting from it, which is shameful and unethical but that's Trump for you

- Trump-Russia connections were all about personal gain for a post-election where he doesn't win because again, he didn't expect to win, so it wasn't collusion TO WIN THE 2016 ELECTION which is key context

- NOT INCLUDED: All the people around him who were criminal were doing so for personal gain, and though it was a grifting gang it was outside the scope of his mandate, so he passed that stuff off to other departments (Manafort, Cohen, bank fraud, etc)

- There is ample evidence for obstruction (source: Trump on live TV on multiple occasions) but he's president so Mueller was gun shy
I think this is right on but missing one component I was alluding to in my last post (^^). There's a major counter intel arm of this thing that we still don't know about and I think if Mueller found Trump was or still is an active Russian agent, what we'd see would look a lot like what we're seeing.
 

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I think this is right on but missing one component I was alluding to in my last post (^^). There's a major counter intel arm of this thing that we still don't know about and I think if Mueller found Trump was or still is an active Russian agent, what we'd see would look a lot like what we're seeing.
Yeah I could easily see that he found Trump was compromised, thus making active "collusion" unnecessary since Trump would've done whatever Putin wanted without any direction whatsoever
 
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I'm not clicking on the Lamar Alexander bullshit but framing it as a Manhattan Project But For Climate seems like a really smart way to brand something both urgent and militarily relevant for the Republican palette. It's actually kinda exciting to see it framed that way, nevermind both the cowardly timing and the uh, 'we're gonna nuke the fuckin' sky' feelings I get from it.
The thing is that this presupposes that the GOP gives a shit about anything, including about NatSec. There are Republicans who genuinely care about NatSec, but very few of them are Republican politicians who only flog the issue so that they can turn out the flag-hugging rubes, and even nowadays you see that that's not needed. The base's loyalty is to their idea of America and not America itself.

The federal, elected GOP cares about owning the libs and enriching themselves and their buddies and that's *it*. The base only cares about owning libs and being racist.
 

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I mean, Sinema is, on a scale of 0 being Generic Republican and 10 being AOC is a 7-8.
She is going to vote with you the vast majority of the time, and is probably the only way we are going to get to 50.
I mean if AOC is a 10 and a generic GOP is a 0, there is no way Sinema is a 7-8. All that being said, I'm not trying to say she's secret-GOP, she's just very conservative for a Democrat. Is Kelly as well? It kind of matters as its the conservative Dems that are going to constrain what sort of laws we can pass if the Dems regain the Senate in 2020.
 
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Barr helps Trump win in the court of public opinion which is huge in and of itself. Republicans have their excuse to shrug this whole thing off because of Barr’s bullshit.
It's not a foolproof plan, but it maybe the strongest hand they have. Whichever crew within their bounds certainly risked alot to set it off and the reactions are mixed.

I wouldn't bank on this tbh. I'm sure "Russian govt" is being used as a catch all here. If Mueller found incontrovertible proof of Trump campaign figures colluding with Russian oligarchs, hackers like Guccifer 2.0, and Julian Assange, but not the Kremlim proper themselves -- and then Barr spun all of that as "absolutely no collusion" -- I cannot imagine the hell that that full report would unleash. :lol That would be such an egregious mischaracterization of the report that it would create an entirely and unnecessary new set of problems for them, and for Barr himself especially.
Yup. This is how the mob communicates (remember Cohen's testimony last month). You need to flip people and RICO that shit...

How often do you see a Republican politician taking some brave stand against the party line associated with the word “retired/retiring”
FOMT is a deadly, deadly disease amongst those of republican persuasion (with a 67% fatality rate in elections once infected).

Schumer's response should be to appear on Fox and demand to know why McConnell doesn't want the American people to know how innocent Trump is.
If Im Pelosi or Schumer, I'd have that as the standard for every mention to every reporter for my flock. Fight fire with fire.

Edit: Yertle's trending in the US. Good.
 

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BTW, has someone done the Seymour Skinner Aurora Borealis gag but with the Mueller Report yet? Because it’s begging for one. Barr is Skinner obviously.
 

Bob_Coffee

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if he is so innocent, why not just drop the redacted for national security report to the public today along with a non redacted version for the house comitees. something doesnt quite add up *thinking emoji*
 
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I was just thinking. Barr stayed that there was no coordination between the campaign and Russia, but this could still allow for Russia having dirt on Trump and him being leanient on them. Still seems like a problem.
 

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I was just thinking. Barr stayed that there was no coordination between the campaign and Russia, but this could still allow for Russia having dirt on Trump and him being leanient on them. Still seems like a problem.
Or him wanting to be soft so he could get his hotel deal etc. point being there are tons of potentially very problematic scenarios that cover what we saw publicly, but could also count as “didn’t co-ordinate directly with RU government”
 

devSin

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Karen Handel plans to run again.
"Nancy Pelosi's liberal policies have cost our district immensely" WHAT FUCKING LAWS HAVE BEEN PASSED SINCE JANUARY?

I was just thinking. Barr stayed that there was no coordination between the campaign and Russia, but this could still allow for Russia having dirt on Trump and him being leanient on them. Still seems like a problem.
The president being compromised is a national security matter, not a criminal one.

He didn't conspire with Russia. He didn't conspire with North Korea either. But he fellates the strongmen of the world because he wants to be one (or rather wants the trappings of being one without actually having to do anything).

That's something for Congress and the voters to focus on (it's the latter's fault we're in this mess—not Russia's or even Trump's).
 

Toth

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I think, if anything, the Russian govt worked hard to get Trump elected but did not act through the campaign because it knew how dumb they were. Mueller did find Russians influenced the election, just not directly through Trump (though I think they did things to help). It's still an enormous blow to the legitimacy of Trump's presidency.
 

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Is it possible that Mueller and the other legal teams found so much financial shenanigans that they realized that it would be way easier and way less political to just nail Trump with those crimes when he's no longer president rather than go through the more difficult and unprecedented route of indicting a sitting president and or unlikely impeachment with a cowardly Republican Senate majority? ie - just wait 2 more years and the financial crimes will be a slam dunk?
 

BoboBrazil

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Is it possible that Mueller and the other legal teams found so much financial shenanigans that they realized that it would be way easier and way less political to just nail Trump with those crimes when he's no longer president rather than go through the more difficult and unprecedented route of indicting a sitting president and or unlikely impeachment with a cowardly Republican Senate majority? ie - just wait 2 more years and the financial crimes will be a slam dunk?
There is no guarantee he loses in 2 years so this would be idiotic.
 

devSin

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Is it possible that Mueller and the other legal teams found so much financial shenanigans that they realized that it would be way easier and way less political to just nail Trump with those crimes when he's no longer president rather than go through the more difficult and unprecedented route of indicting a sitting president and or unlikely impeachment with a cowardly Republican Senate majority? ie - just wait 2 more years and the financial crimes will be a slam dunk?
Financial crimes were spun off to other departments. The special counsel was solely investigating Russian interference and criminal obstruction of justice. The former found no real evidence of conspiracy, and the latter was something they decided should be left to Congress.

I don't think the president ever sees jail time, but investigations into his financial crimes are already underway.
 

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ImTheresaMay

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Remember the threads about whether or not gamergate or ADOS were Russian fronts?

Should we demand an apology from those OPs for ridiculous hysterics?
 
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