US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE

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DrROBschiz

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I think we can return to some normalcy within the presidency itself, but we need to fight like hell to keep it that way. Especially since the media is going to sorely miss the daily trainwreck that is the Trump presidency and the ratings associated with that, and his crazy ass fan base who loves every minute of this.
I feel like the poison that has seeped into our society will have long lasting and far reaching effects going forward

Removing Trump is important but far from the end of our problems

This will take generations to fix and even then it will be an uphill battle against very powerful and very terrible base of people
 

ThLunarian

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Please don't assume that a dem win is a forgone conclusion. If we do that, we stop fighting, and if we stop fighting, we lose.
There are plenty of reasons to keep fighting. All anyone has to do is glance at the news every day.

I don't think complacency will be a problem this time around. And even when it was a problem in 2016, it affected almost no one who is a current and active member of this forum. It was mostly 'independents.'
 

wesker83

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Please don't assume that a dem win is a forgone conclusion. If we do that, we stop fighting, and if we stop fighting, we lose.
Oh no, it definitely isn't a forgone conclusion. I am just basing my guess on the fact that Trump will continue to piss off more and more people over the next two years. If the pressure is kept on him and he keeps lashing out, our chances just get better and better.

People like us posting on this forum will never stop fighting, but I am just thinking of the casual voter who really doesn't follow this stuff day in and day out. At some point Trump will have or has already done something to harm them in some direct or indirect way and his base has to be shrinking. As of right now I like where our chances are, and sure 2020 is a long way away, but I just can't see Trump magically doing something to win over left leaning and women voters.
 

Aaron

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I feel like the poison that has seeped into our society will have long lasting and far reaching effects going forward

Removing Trump is important but far from the end of our problems

This will take generations to fix and even then it will be an uphill battle against very powerful and very terrible base of people
At the very least, if we win 2020, we need to hold the line in 2022 and (obviously) the Dem needs to win re-election in 2024.

With climate change it’s literally getting to the point where it’s existential, so we need Democrats fully in charge for the lion’s share of the next decade. Beating the three term curse will be important in this respect too, so a Dem president in 2028 can continue implementing the green agenda.

I think 2022 should be somewhat fine because the Senate map is great for us (we actually have quite a few offensive opportunities and very few vulnerable seats) and the House maps will be better. I actually think they could learn a lot from Trump in how to campaign for a midterm, especially compared to Obama’s less enthusiastic approach.
 

Wilsongt

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So basically, like with Mulvaney, Barr is pretty much protecting Trump from bullets while Democrats fire blanks at him.

Could you imagine if Janet Reno did this to the Starr Report? Newt would have imploded.
 

Wonderment

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is why Nadler has made the statements he has, in the way he has said them. Now that they have everything in Barr's own public-testimony words in terms of refusing to deliver the unredacted report, they can go ahead with the subpoenas with a full transcript of Congress' desire-to-cooperate vs. Barr's no-intent-to-cooperate backing them.
 

Casa

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I remember distinctly that there were Congressman on the left willing to give Barr the benefit of the doubt prior to his appointment and said he's a decent, honest guy. There were plenty of pundits and former lawyers on MSNBC who worked with/under him before who said that we should trust him until we see what he does. That we were wrong to simply assume that since Trump appointed him he was automatically a stooge.

Welp, it's crystal fucking clear after reading some of these quotes today that he's 100% a stooge who will do everything in his power to shield anything bad from coming out about the president.
 

Aaron

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This is a great development.

There is a distinct possibility that we can gain massively in the Texas elections, but it needs to be coordinated. I know they're already trying to define John Cornyn (who's been fairly anonymous as a senator), which should help (hopefully) Joaquin Castro win his race.

Flip the Senate seat, pick up those six seats, win the State House... Winning the presidential election at that point would just be the cherry on top. The State Senate is close on paper, though I've heard from Democrats there that getting the GOP down to just a one-seat majority (16-15) is about the best we could do. That would still put us in a strong position though if we won the State House with it. Redistricting would be much fairer and we could maybe even pass the Medicaid expansion (assuming Abbott wouldn't veto it).
 

Wonderment

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I remember distinctly that there were Congressman on the left willing to give Barr the benefit of the doubt prior to his appointment and said he's a decent, honest guy. There were plenty of pundits and former lawyers on MSNBC who worked with/under him before who said that we should trust him until we see what he does. That we were wrong to simply assume that since Trump appointed him he was automatically a stooge.

Welp, it's crystal fucking clear after reading some of these quotes today that he's 100% a stooge who will do everything in his power to shield anything bad from coming out about the president.
Yup. And they were saying this about Barr as late as the end of last week, even.
 

Sky Chief

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I remember distinctly that there were Congressman on the left willing to give Barr the benefit of the doubt prior to his appointment and said he's a decent, honest guy. There were plenty of pundits and former lawyers on MSNBC who worked with/under him before who said that we should trust him until we see what he does. That we were wrong to simply assume that since Trump appointed him he was automatically a stooge.

Welp, it's crystal fucking clear after reading some of these quotes today that he's 100% a stooge who will do everything in his power to shield anything bad from coming out about the president.
He's literally obstructing justice for Trump, the Mueller Report may have not come to a conclusion but the crime isn't over yet
 

Sho_Nuff82

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I remember distinctly that there were Congressman on the left willing to give Barr the benefit of the doubt prior to his appointment and said he's a decent, honest guy. There were plenty of pundits and former lawyers on MSNBC who worked with/under him before who said that we should trust him until we see what he does. That we were wrong to simply assume that since Trump appointed him he was automatically a stooge.

Welp, it's crystal fucking clear after reading some of these quotes today that he's 100% a stooge who will do everything in his power to shield anything bad from coming out about the president.
I had a Twitter troll try to convince me that getting votes from Manchin and Sinema meant Barr had bipartisan Senate support.
 

Toth

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Well this is not going well for Barr at all. As expected. Plenty for Dems to use in the battle for pubic opinion.
 

Afrikan

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Hahahahhaa Barr thought he finally made a late round comeback, then got shut down... oh man that was rich.
 

studyguy

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Noted Hitler apologist, Candace Owens equating racism to people getting dunked on for height on tinder or something
 

Diablos

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OK so if we look at what Roberts said in regard to the individual mandate:

The Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A [of the Internal Revenue Code] would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax.
Fast forward to 2017, the mandate is nullified because of the tax law passed in that year. What I'm trying to figure out is how does eliminating the mandate justify throwing out the entire law? It was merely a question of if the federal government can force people to buy health insurance, and Roberts already said no they cannot but the law continued on. How did the mandate surviving for a time as a tax then justify holding up the entire law? Is that even what Roberts was saying? To me it seemed like a narrow question. The rest of the law can survive with our without the mandate.
 
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