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US PoliERA 2019 |OT4| Folded like a DOG

Oct 31, 2017
735
Don’t think Harris adds much to Biden

Biden will badly need to throw young leftists some sort of bone. Biden/Warren would be better. I think Harris would be sort of like a Tim Kaine like pick that doesn’t really address the things certain parts of the party don’t like about the nominee
There is the small matter of the massive group of black voters who want diversity in the ticket, whether or not leftists see that as filthy identity politics.

Warren as VP would be pointless, unless she's given specifically given power over regulation, like Gore was basically given the environment, etc.

Biden/Harris, with an agreement that Warren takes over as Senate Majority Leader is probably best.
 

sprsk

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Oct 25, 2017
1,205
Isn’t he saying that they are risking backlash and need to do it in smaller steps so no one notices?
Honestly I feel like if you see any R backlash, its cause if they actually do the thing they've been threatening to do, they can't use it as a perennial talking point. Republicans with actual power don't actually want this cause of how effective a political tool it is for their base.
 
Oct 25, 2017
14,095
If they actually do it then they lose one of the biggest things that drives GOP turnout. It's like how the NRA looses money when the GOP is in office, it's better for them politically if they don't get what they want here.
It really seems like some of the new tea partiers in the party don't realize that it was a long con all along.
 
If they actually do it then they lose one of the biggest things that drives GOP turnout. It's like how the NRA looses money when the GOP is in office, it's better for them politically if they don't get what they want here.
But they're also zealots who like the cheap black and brown flow of prison labor that comes from higher birthrates and who think that white people aren't having enough babies to save white culture or whatever, so I wouldn't expect them to be this calculating.
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell?
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Oct 25, 2017
13,744
But they're also zealots who like the cheap black and brown flow of prison labor that comes from higher birthrates and who think that white people aren't having enough babies to save white culture or whatever, so I wouldn't expect them to be this calculating.
Also true. That said, we do know this is how the people who originally linked the GOP and anti-abortion movement looked at it. They saw it as an issue that could be used to drive turnout in elections.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,397
I wish I could say that I could resist spamming that WH report “Censorship” form - but I can’t.

Fun fact - the “tell us you’re not a bot” asks you to say when the Declaration of Independence was signed. Which, all in all, was a more pleasant experience than picking all the pictures with stop signs.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,391
I wish I could say that I could resist spamming that WH report “Censorship” form - but I can’t.

Fun fact - the “tell us you’re not a bot” asks you to say when the Declaration of Independence was signed. Which, all in all, was a more pleasant experience than picking all the pictures with stop signs.
But the DoI was signed over many years by different people.

/pedant
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell?
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
13,744
I wish I could say that I could resist spamming that WH report “Censorship” form - but I can’t.

Fun fact - the “tell us you’re not a bot” asks you to say when the Declaration of Independence was signed. Which, all in all, was a more pleasant experience than picking all the pictures with stop signs.
It also ensures that none of the dipshits who think they're getting censored can say so.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,391
Funny how people thought all these rando dudes would eat into Diamond Joe’s votes but just seem to be making him stronger. For some god forsaken reason

Bills announcement will probably just boost Joes polling another 1.5%
It's simply self-preservation. When you look at what demo says what, you get a sense that PoC and 40+ want someone who can beat Trump. Full stop. I don't think at this point people care who, just that someone who looks like they know what they're doing take over. Strong White Daddy to the rescue.
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,777
Funny how people thought all these rando dudes would eat into Diamond Joe’s votes but just seem to be making him stronger. For some god forsaken reason

Bills announcement will probably just boost Joes polling another 1.5%
It turns out that the Party Loyalist/Beat Trump No Matter the Cost group all three their weight behind Biden while the Policy First voters ended up getting split among the various other candidates.
 
I don't understand how Biden's (and Bernie's) age isn't a bigger deal to people. Like, they'd both be pushing 90 fucking years old by the end of a second term. The risks of mental degradation at that age are just way to high for comfort for an office like the presidency. Reagan and Trump both show signs of mental slowdown. Warren is already pushing the limit of age acceptability for me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,790
I don't understand how Biden's (and Bernie's) age isn't a bigger deal to people. Like, they'd both be pushing 90 fucking years old by the end of a second term. The risks of mental degradation at that age are just way to high for comfort for an office like the presidency. Reagan and Trump both show signs of mental slowdown. Warren is already pushing the limit of age acceptability for me.
strong white granddaddy syndrome
 
Oct 25, 2017
22,304
I don't understand how Biden's (and Bernie's) age isn't a bigger deal to people. Like, they'd both be pushing 90 fucking years old by the end of a second term. The risks of mental degradation at that age are just way to high for comfort for an office like the presidency. Reagan and Trump both show signs of mental slowdown. Warren is already pushing the limit of age acceptability for me.
Even though old people are dying, the birthrate decline means that the electorate is actually AGING because there are fewer younger voters replacing them.
 
Dec 26, 2018
5,430
Straight up shameful and really just dereliction of duty as a coequal branch if they just give up on impeachment. Letting this president and every future president know that colluding with a hostile government and obstructing justice is fine. Putting it squarely on the voters to bail them out.

Our last hope of any serious punishment occuring at this point seems to be Mueller dropping bombs at his testimony. And most experts agree that he wouldn't do that because he's such a fucking boy scout.
All we could have hoped for with impeachment was Trump getting shamed, he wasn't going to get impeached in the senate with Mitch McConnell.

It turns out that the Party Loyalist/Beat Trump No Matter the Cost group all three their weight behind Biden while the Policy First voters ended up getting split among the various other candidates.
How many Policy First voters do you think there are?
 
Oct 27, 2017
8,420
Don’t think Harris adds much to Biden

Biden will badly need to throw young leftists some sort of bone. Biden/Warren would be better. I think Harris would be sort of like a Tim Kaine like pick that doesn’t really address the things certain parts of the party don’t like about the nominee
I think maximizing black voter turnout is probably more electorally important than maximizing young leftist turnout. Biden and Warren are kind of not that friendly with each other, and while I think Warren would very like accept running mate if offered I don't think Biden would offer it. Biden and Harris have a better relationship I think and ultimately I think you want a president and vice president who like each other than not.

Tim Kaine was a weak choice because the only thing he really brought to the ticket was his Spanish fluency which he almost never even used! Robby Mook running fake-out outreach efforts in AZ, GA and TX while neglecting the blue wall states was his biggest sin as campaign manager, but not throwing Kaine on Spanish television and radio every fucking week was a close runner-up.
 

He's being pragmatic and is also senile, but wow.
Some are sensible enough to realize that the first story of a woman forced to carry her rapist's baby to term is going to be a nightmare for the pro-life cause.

What's with Alabama's fixation with endlessly perpetuating the stereotype of their being a third world country in the middle of the US? Does the infinite misery sexually arouse them or something? They can't actually enjoy being a global punchline, right?
Alabama has no real history of democracy. For them, as for most of the GOP but especially in a place where conservatives have changed parties but have *never* been seriously challenged in 200 years, it's about having and exercising power. Why does any tinpot dictator do things like make all doctors swear personal loyalty to him or rename days of the week after their dog? You do it because you can, because you're born to power and its exercise is your destiny.

Edit: to speak more directly to your point, it's better for them to be king of the ashes, and burning the place down increases their relative power within it. It puts lie to the myth of the dictator who just wants to make their country strong. No, they want to make *themselves* strong and any benefit to the country is incidental to their increase of their own power, like Putin's efforts at Russian revanchism while he lines his own pockets.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
769
This is Beto's last chance to fix one of the worst mistakes he made last year. He should absolutely help Gina Ortiz as much as possible in order to make up for abandoning her in 2018. This was one of those things that really soured me on him. Otherwise I would have been pretty happy to cast a vote for him in 2020. Also, I'd like to donate to him and this just sticks in my craw.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,504
I've changed my mind again, thinking Warren over Beto now.
That's about where I am now, Beto showed a lot of potential in the beginning but it seems he has not lived up to it at all. Warren is great on policy and a good person, but my only concern with her is that many people's assumption or impression that she is unelectable has led to an actual issue of electability I think. If she is able to get the nomination, hopefully that will be resolved.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,063
Biden's high poll numbers are really a mirror of why Trump did so well in 2016: He's whatever ideal people want him to be at the time. Or in this case, he's whatever the good things were during Obama's time in office and a return to the "normalcy" that was 2008-16.

Doesn't mean that can't shatter if Biden makes some gaffes, though.

And holy shit, that farmers thread in the OT forum is such a shitshow. People literally happy that the ag sector might collapse so they can dunk on Trump voters from their ivory towers. I actually live out in a semi-rural area, and while I don't know if they're pissed enough to hold the line on not voting for Trump in 2020, there is anger about the government handouts and tariffs (most of them take them because they're still incurring costs, and the tariffs lasting this long are delivering real pain to their ability to sell goods to markets they've long sold to) and they're reachable with the right talk and policy, even by supposed "boogeymen/women" like Bernie and Warren.

But nah, let's own them. That'll make us feel great again.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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And holy shit, that farmers thread in the OT forum is such a shitshow.
And what, you think we're going to get all weepy here over Trump voters?

In a just world, Hillary would be president, Democrats would have minor control of the senate, and we wouldn't be going to war in Iran soon.
The world would already be a smoldering ruin, don't you know?
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,854


Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti

Conrad Black served time for obstruction of justice even though convictions for underlying crimes were invalidated.

Trump just pardoned him, along with a politician convicted of public corruption.

8:35 PM - May 15, 2019


Dan Murphy @bungdan

Conrad Black is one of the sleaziest people ever in the puss-drenched newspaper business. He's also a white supremacist who said the "very fine" neo-Nazis who chanted "Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville were a Democratic Party false flag. Of course Trump pardoned him.

8:29 PM - May 15, 2019