Bernie is kind of cool. I wish more politicians were not willing to overthrow foreign governments
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US PoliERA 2019 |OT4| Folded like a DOG
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Bernie is kind of cool. I wish more politicians were not willing to overthrow foreign governments
Bernie is 100% right in that interview but it's also hilarious how grouchy he got since he could tell the reporter was trying to maneuver him into saying something embarassing. "Did you know they were chanting anti-American things?" "Of course they were, we were trying to overthrow them!" lol
Good on Bernie for flat out calling American foreign policy evil.
I've already encountered people who said they'll vote third party if Biden becomes the nominee.
Have you been living under a rock since 2004? It's 2019 now and no one wants war.
edit: sorry if I read sarcasm that wasn't there.
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I'm not always a fan of Bernie's foreign policy but some of these questions lol
ZOMG They said mean things about the US while they were trying to overthrow their government! :'(
If Bernie were still backing Ortega that would be something worth discussing.
If there's anything that actually gets me riled up still (rather than somewhat pessimistically expectant) in politics, its our messing about in Central America that has led directly to the refugee crisis that we caused for ourselves and the GOP's total lack of taking responsibility for it, and further than that, their separating of families whose lives they have already destroyed via their shit foreign policy.
So one thing that I will give Bernie (and Beto) credit for is at least speaking to those things right now because someone needs to get out there and spotlight this shit. I know that no one, casual-voter-wise, cares about foreign policy when we are not in a declared war, but still, we need to draw a line between foreign policy in Central America and our current immigration policies right now in a better way than we have.
So one thing that I will give Bernie (and Beto) credit for is at least speaking to those things right now because someone needs to get out there and spotlight this shit. I know that no one, casual-voter-wise, cares about foreign policy when we are not in a declared war, but still, we need to draw a line between foreign policy in Central America and our current immigration policies right now in a better way than we have.
As I said that plays really well with independents and will not give any fodder to republican super pacs
"I did everything that I could as a mayor of a small city to stop the United States from getting involved in another war in Central America," though I don't doubt is sincere, is a fairly hilarious statement at face value. I mean, I, too, as a child at the time, did everything I could to make sure the US didn't get involved in any wars back then.
It's not like he was chanting it.
This really isn't much fodder.
The headline tries to turn it into something, at least.
Bernie Sanders - AGAINST American foreign policy during the Cold War?!
Does this mean we should prop up autocratic regimes like Ortega's or Maduro's for the sake of stability, though? How far should we go? We could easily funnel money to the asshole running Guatemala and ensure he rules with impunity for stability's sake.
I always wrestle with the question. Removing the drug kingpin (that the US put there) running Panama in '89 was probably the right move for example.
I think we're probably on slightly different wavelengths right now because I'm specifically thinking about how our foreign policy choices post WWII have caused the current immigration needs for that area rather than about what we should do now having already meddled too much in the region.
When I made that post, I was specifically thinking that:
a) We need to be honest with the voters that we fucked up the region with our meddling because of the Domino Theory and to support American corporations like the United Fruit Company and that therefore...
b)...we have caused the immigration from those areas of thousands of people who are good people whose homes that we have destroyed via our meddling, and that any immigration policy that we pursue must include, as a moral necessity, an understanding of this situation and of the desire of these Central American immigrants to live in a stable society.
What that means for how we help bring stability to the region, other than lots of material and financial aid that this country owes the region, you would know the answer to that better than me.
I'm just tired of the framing of these Central American immigrants as some sort of unholy horde who aren't coming here because of what we directly did to their homelands.
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Fair enough. It's indeed disgusting that few people are willing to acknowledge what was done to their countries.
remember when people thought Bernie attending a event where people were chanting "Death to the yankees" would hurt him in a GE
judging by his response, lol. he's botched a lot of interviews recently but I'm glad he stood his ground without giving the media any sound bites
judging by his response, lol. he's botched a lot of interviews recently but I'm glad he stood his ground without giving the media any sound bites
Ooh, I like the sound of this! He might be a good fit for the Department of Energy, too.
It is a really fantastic plan and deserves a lot of attention.
Perfect idea.
Or this.
Maybe that's his entire reason for running. No chance of P or VP, but will get the visibility for a prime Cabinet position.
Wouldn't shock me either. And if so, he made a good play. I think he's even admitted that he knows he's a bit of a longshot for the presidency.
Stark contrast to the hawks online demanding we put boots on the ground in a certain South American nation, cough cough.
Highly agreed.
You could probably stack a cabinet pretty well just with presidential candidates, really. Inslee to EPA, Bullock to Interior, O'Rourke to DHS.
Unfortunately for Inslee, climate change is no one's #1 issue.
Tell that to the voters. If it was Inslee would be doing better than 1%.
Well, I'm sure lack of visibility plays a large role as well. Most probably don't even know he has a plan.
They see a no-name climate kook. I'm sure if this climate policy gets continued press coverage, people will pay attention more. But he isn't very charismatic from what I saw today on MSNBC, so the fact that he's running for President may distract from his message and only appeal to people playing inside baseball.
Co-sign this as well. I think that he's been a very good governor (which I know I've said here before a few times), and I'd love to see him in a cabinet position.
This is just a list of issues people said were important. It did not ask each person what their #1 issue is.
Ehhhh, Inslee succeeding based on those priorities assumes that his Climate Candidate branding has in any way penetrated. Dude's name ID is still basically nil.
Exactly.
I feel like he's someone to watch after the debates. There's sort of been a huge movement towards green politics worldwide -- I wouldn't be surprised if Inslee caught on. Not saying he will or it's likely, but if he did, you know, it would line up well with issue polling.
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